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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

Mr. Rogers,

Exactly my stance. The GOP echo chambers on this site seem to forget that being a nation of LAWS, and not of "kings", the administration is obligated to investigate, and when evidence is found, take those responsible to court for their actions.

The GOP thought it was "fun" to go hunting for Clinton. They kept backin him into a corner until he lied just to try and preserve his cedibility, his marriage, his standing with the nation... then cried wolf after their trap had been sprung. (Just one of dozens of treasonous villanies they are responsible for in the name of partisan politics.)

Now that their boy Bush, and their favorite son from the Nixon years, Cheany, have been exposed, NOW they want to just say... Oh, let's just forget this silly abuse of power nonsense... Hey, we just tried to establish the US as a one party system now and forever and ever, amen. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with seizing power and trying to turn the US into a defacto empire?

I mean, other than it being treason. And warcrimes. And criminal activity...

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

Mr. Rogers,

Exactly my stance. The GOP echo chambers on this site seem to forget that being a nation of LAWS, and not of "kings", the administration is obligated to investigate, and when evidence is found, take those responsible to court for their actions.

The GOP thought it was "fun" to go hunting for Clinton. They kept backin him into a corner until he lied just to try and preserve his cedibility, his marriage, his standing with the nation... then cried wolf after their trap had been sprung. (Just one of dozens of treasonous villanies they are responsible for in the name of partisan politics.)

Now that their boy Bush, and their favorite son from the Nixon years, Cheany, have been exposed, NOW they want to just say... Oh, let's just forget this silly abuse of power nonsense... Hey, we just tried to establish the US as a one party system now and forever and ever, amen. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with seizing power and trying to turn the US into a defacto empire?

I mean, other than it being treason. And warcrimes. And criminal activity...

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Now that their boy Bush, and their favorite son from the Nixon years, Cheany, have been exposed, NOW they want to just say... Oh, let's just forget this silly abuse of power nonsense... Hey, we just tried to establish the US as a one party system now and forever and ever, amen. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with seizing power and trying to turn the US into a defacto empire?

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ORIGINAL: Truthiness

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Politicians would be well served to remember America believes in its Constitution...even if they don't....but we will hold them accountable sooner or later.

Keep in mind, Franklin Delenor Roosevelt put 120,000 Japanese Americans into Internment Camps, many of them native born Americans; and kept them there under extremely poor living conditions; and he certainly wasn't held accountable. (And is still considered by many Democrats to be one of the great Presidents heh).

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Two-thirds of Americans favor investigating whether the George W. Bush administration overstepped legal boundaries in its "war on terror," according to a poll released Thursday by USA Today and Gallup.

A majority of respondents said a probe should be launched into allegations that the Bush team used torture to interrogate terror suspects.

Investigators also should look into the former president's program of wiretapping US citizens without first securing court-issued warrants, respondents said.

About four respondents in 10 polled by USA Today (38 percent) favored criminal investigations, while about a quarter (24 percent) said they want an investigation without criminal charges being filed.


• Poll: 38% want probe of 'war on terror' excesses under Bush

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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...well, the impeachment of Clinton over a blow job and a fib to cover it were seen by many as theatrics too. Politically inspired and partisan theatrics at that.  So, what is the difference between the treatment of Clinton and a putative investigation into Bush/Cheney?

He committed perjury in a sexual harrassment case.  Do you understand that is a crime? 

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
While Clinton and Jones settled the case before it could go to court

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
While Clinton and Jones settled the case before it could go to court

The case had been thrown out as being frivolous when Clinton made the payment to Jones.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


I think an important distinction between the "left" and the "right" in the US is that the left tends towards theatrics, while the right tends toward action when things get really tight.

...well, the impeachment of Clinton over a blow job and a fib to cover it were seen by many as theatrics too. Politically inspired and partisan theatrics at that.  So, what is the difference between the treatment of Clinton and a putative investigation into Bush/Cheney?

The "difference" between Clinton and Bush is a "Blue Dress"! 

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Actually it wasn't a crime. You are allowed to perjure yourself when defending against a frivolous or harassing lawsuit. which the one in question was as the judge declared when she threw it out.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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Actually it wasn't a crime. You are allowed to perjure yourself when defending against a frivolous or harassing lawsuit. which the one in question was as the judge declared when she threw it out.

You are not allowed to perjure yourself in a lawsuit. 

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
While Clinton and Jones settled the case before it could go to court

The case had been thrown out as being frivolous when Clinton made the payment to Jones.

In April of 1998, Judge Susan Webber Wright granted summary judgment to dismiss the lawsuit based on her opinion that the plaintiff's allegations fell short of the rigorous standards for establishing a claim.  No where in the 36 page judgment will you find the word "frivolous".  In fact, Judge Wright states several times in her decision that the Court agrees that (the then) Governor Clinton's behavior was offensive in nature.  

Judge Wright's decision to grant summary judgment was appealed with the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals and prior to a decision on that appeal, President Clinton and Ms. Jones reached a settlement in November of 1998.

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ORIGINAL: TheUtopian


I would like see the '' probe '' launched under a completely different premise than the one noted above.

The probe should be launched under the premise that the ''terrorists'' for whom the '' war on terror '' is based on, are, and always have been, just a '' troupe of actors " who are called upon from time to time to instigate a number of false flag scenarios that are designed to promulgate/ foster an environment where the American masses will willingly support imperialism cloaked under the guise of a ''world cop'' type scenario of military interventionism. Precisely the type that dictates the '' If we don't engage in a premptive manner - they're going to come over here and take our freedoms away. '' way of thinking.

Instead of the twenty or so faces with long beards and brown skin that most know/believe to be Al-Qaeda, think of them instead as just a '' troupe of actors '' driving around in an old yellow school buss on either the American or European landscape, with their cell/satellite phones handy, waiting for a call telling them which warehouse to report to, and which ''skit'' {A= Dirty bomb scenario {B= Mumbai style 5 star-hotel foreign dignatary attack {C= 9/11 style Airline Hi-jack {D= VX or Anthrax style biological/chemical attack or {E= 7/7 style London subway bombing } to begin to practice for.

The ''War on Terror '' is most definitely a fraud - But a completely '' different '' fraud than most believe it to be.


- R

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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Actually it wasn't a crime. You are allowed to perjure yourself when defending against a frivolous or harassing lawsuit. which the one in question was as the judge declared when she threw it out.

You are not allowed to perjure yourself in a lawsuit. 

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

... what i'm suggesting is that lying is always bad, however lying under oath is  bad and illegal. Nothing more.

"In the immediate aftermath of the attacks (on September 11th), the Bush administration announced a war on terrorism, with the stated goals of bringing Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda to justice and preventing the emergence of other terrorist networks. These goals would be accomplished by means including economic and military sanctions against states perceived as harboring terrorists and increasing global surveillance and intelligence sharing.  U.S. officials speculated on possible involvement of Saddam Hussein immediately afterwards.  Although these suspicions were unfounded, the association contributed to public acceptance for the 2003 invasion of Iraq."

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

In responce to philosophy...It is amazing to me that a sitting president  lied under oath to a federal grand jury and you call it a 'fib'. A fib is exagerating to your wife how many beers you had after work..What he did is a crime and he was disbarred for doing so.. 

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

In responce to philosophy...It is amazing to me that a sitting president  lied under oath to a federal grand jury and you call it a 'fib'. A fib is exagerating to your wife how many beers you had after work..What he did is a crime and he was disbarred for doing so.. 

Wrong, it was a civil offense in a civil charge ultimately and rarely if ever results in a disbaring and even if so...a temporary one.

The rest...obstruction of justice and abuse of power charges were window dressing to try to make it politically acceptable. Not even a nice try in real court. The whole impeachment of Clinton, was political...not criminal.

The case was referred to the Ark Sup. Ct where Clinton settled for a 5 year suspension and eventually resigned the federal bar.