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NeedToUseYou -> RE: Why is Socialist a 4-letter word in the US? (2/13/2009 4:39:21 PM)
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ORIGINAL: missfrillypants
re: food stamps. first off, it is my own personal idea that in this country, most of the "working poor" spend a lot of time trying to hide the fact that they are poor, because of the stigma attached and because we, as americans like to pretend that we do not have a class system, when in fact every country on earth is going to have some people who are more wealthy than others, that's a natural effect of having a finite amount of resources. there are many people who were born in snug upper middle class families and are unaware of the realities of real people of the lower classes except for those they see on the street who are obviously homeless, those who live in ghettos, and largely what they see on the television, so they don't know why people are complaining or why those lazy people don't just try a little bit harder because they have no idea what it's like to try to live your life without a safety net or a head start. and i usually try to say this by telling people that if they themselves have never been on food stamps, or if their parents were not, then they do not really know what it's like and only have a limited perspective on poverty. this is not always true, but it often is.
secondly, most people on food stamps are women with children. most of them work at least one job and one of the reasons they still cannot afford to feed their child is that they do not have a significant other or their SI also must work to pay their other bills, and finding someone to watch their child is very expensive. (most of the people who are against food stamps are also against abortion, and therefore have no right to say that it's their fault for having children. ) they work, sometimes two jobs, and they are very busy and tired because they also must care for a child, and therefore they buy things like pizza rolls and chips that they can make quickly or that their children can make for themselves once they are old enough to legally be latch key children. many children can-not or will not cook complicated meals, or will refuse to eat them and there is only so much fighting with a ten year old you can do about something like coke or chips when you work 55 hours or more per week. MANY people in this country have junk food addictions, and you know what? healthy food is more expensive. wonder bread is cheaper than even a moderately priced wheat bread. raumen noodles are cheaper than the ingredients to make pepper steak or pasta primavera. there are MANY studies that have come to the conclusion that the reason there is an obesity problem with the poor is that the food that makes you fat is cheaper. even "good food" is made with more fillers and sugar and things like that when you get to the cheaper brands... a cheap canned pasta sauce's second or third ingredient, for example, is usually high fructose corn syrup.
re: Disability
there are a lot of people who get disability, who, if they had the money to get job training in another field, could work again, but can not afford said training, even with disability payments. a person who has back problems may be capable of doing a job where they answer the phone, but many receptionist jobs or things like that now require a person to have at least a tech school degree. or that person with back problems may need to be treated with pain meds in order to think straight, which she gets help with paying for because she is on disability, and which she could not afford on the salary she would get paid if she got the job that would otherwise support her... shame there's not some sort of government system in place that would pay for her meds so she could work, isn't there? or some kind of program that will train her to do another kind of job?
You live in another universe apparently, I grew up on welfare, so I'm not talking out of my ass here. I used to go to the grocery store with my mother, buying food on foodstamps.
Here's the deal some people do need assistance, however, your lame argument that women raising single kids need the government to provide them with pizza rolls, and cokes, is stupid, in the extreme. So, your argument, is since they are single mothers they can feed their kids trash, because they are working 50 hours a week and the state should pay for it! LOL. Insane. You know it's proven that diet in a kids younger years is very important to mental and physical development, so let's just pay for trash food, so the ladies can have a break. Whatever.
I'll tell you what would happen if they could only buy real food with it, they'd cook it and eat it, whether tired or not, because hunger will make you do whatever it takes to eat, and people would be healthier for it, and learn to cook!
Seriously, I simply can't believe you aren't ashamed of even posting that argument. Single mothers need to be able to by Sodas and pizza rolls or else their children will bitch about it. LOL. Grow up. Kids always want bad food, no kid prefers spinach over a happy meal. This fight even goes on in affluent households.
There you go, let's just make the food stamps redeemable at Mcdonalds then no one needs to cook at all. Problem solved. Or let's let them use them for pizza delivery, or even better.
I mean seriously that's just ridiculous from top to bottom. And for the record, and I know more welfare moms than one should meet in a lifetime, most work sporadically or one job. The go getters, and the ones that want off welfare, eventaully get out of the system. If you are a single mom, for example you can go to college for free, in Illinois you could anyway.
Oh, well, in summation, the whole reason I'm against most programs, is because of people that get involved start thinking like you in your paragraphs above. As if, As if, they have a right, to living as leisurely an existance as people that pay for everything they consume. NO, but I don't even think people should be left to starve, I just think maybe they should buy green beans, instead of burritos, if they want money for food.
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