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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 1:34:45 PM

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I know me and I can almost guarantee I wouldn't let myself get to that point. I just wouldn't.

I would quickly end up in front of a mirror, mentally screaming, "SNAP OUT OF IT BITCH!!"

And drag my sorry ass back to whatever realistic state it needed to be in.

And you can't conceive of a situation where that might fail?

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 1:42:25 PM

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No I honestly cannot.

However, if the inconceivable did happen, I know that my family and friends would drag me, kicking and screaming if necessary, to the nearest mental/medical health facility.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 1:43:55 PM

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No I honestly cannot.

However, if the inconceivable did happen, I know that my family and friends would drag me, kicking and screaming if necessary, to the nearest mental/medical health facility.

And you likewise can't conceive of a situation where they'd simply write you off as not worth saving, instead?

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 1:45:18 PM

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No I honestly cannot.

However, if the inconceivable did happen, I know that my family and friends would drag me, kicking and screaming if necessary, to the nearest mental/medical health facility.

And you likewise can't conceive of a situation where they'd simply write you off as not worth saving, instead?

Absolutely not. Not ever.

Because I didn't do it to them when they were, in many people's eyes, a lost cause.

We just don't roll that way.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 1:49:01 PM

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And you likewise can't conceive of a situation where they'd simply write you off as not worth saving, instead?

Absolutely not. Not ever.

Because I didn't do it to them when they were, in many people's eyes, a lost cause.

We just don't roll that way.

What makes you believe that how you've treated others in the past has any bearing on how they might treat you in the future? Put another way, how do you manage to trust that anyone would be there for you, just because you've been there for them?

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 1:50:58 PM

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You know, perhaps if you spent a little less time FORCING yourself to be a victim, your life would have an easier time straightening itself out.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 1:52:36 PM

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Because I know them. I've known most of them their whole life. I know their strengths and their weaknesses. We've already been through the thick and thin.

Two of them I gave birth to and raised. They are too much like me, for me to believe anything different. We are a very close family. We don't let one another down. No matter what. Even if, not letting the other down, means a swift kick in the ass.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 1:55:03 PM

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You know, perhaps if you spent a little less time FORCING yourself to be a victim, your life would have an easier time straightening itself out.

This is a good point. While it's not necessarily true that all victims choose to be, those who don't choose to be, and are incapable of doing anything about it, are generally not worth worrying about anyways. (Well, excepting children, some women, certain diesnfranchised minority groups... did I miss any exceptions?)

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 5:00:36 PM

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Hope is psychologically tied to our will to live, and if someone is pulled down to the point that there no hope of anything better ever happening, generally they end up withering away. That is actually one of the lines of thought behind why some people, when they lose their significant other, end up dieing shortly after the loss. They simply give up all hope. (By the way, that happens to men more often than women.)

If things are truly hopeless, the mind ceases to desire continued existence, which is thought to cause the body to slowly stop. On the flip side of that, hope and the will to live can get people through the hardest of times imaginable. Usually that hope is tied to a faith, but that isn't the only source of hope.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/19/2009 7:34:19 PM

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Hope is psychologically tied to our will to live, and if someone is pulled down to the point that there no hope of anything better ever happening, generally they end up withering away. That is actually one of the lines of thought behind why some people, when they lose their significant other, end up dieing shortly after the loss. They simply give up all hope. (By the way, that happens to men more often than women.)

If things are truly hopeless, the mind ceases to desire continued existence, which is thought to cause the body to slowly stop. On the flip side of that, hope and the will to live can get people through the hardest of times imaginable. Usually that hope is tied to a faith, but that isn't the only source of hope.

So what about the homeless people that you see passed out in alleys, staring at you with sunk-in, hopeless eyes on the weekend, begging for a few bits of loose change so they can find a little solace before they go on dragging through another night?

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/20/2009 3:33:36 AM

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So, what about them?

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/20/2009 3:42:10 AM

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So, what about them?

Clearly there are people who lack the will to live, and yet continue on. So it can't be that simple.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/20/2009 4:38:15 AM

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So, what about them?

Clearly there are people who lack the will to live, and yet continue on. So it can't be that simple.

am i the only one who has no clue what the hell you are talking about?

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/20/2009 7:03:48 AM

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Holly, you are not. Which is probably why I keep coming back to it. Trying to figure out what the hell the intent of the topic even is.

OP, survival instinct is a very strong thing. Regardless of what is, or is not, going on in the attic, it is human nature for the furnace and other necessary appliances to keep fighting to work.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/20/2009 8:11:17 AM

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Re: the original post...

If/when one's life becomes unmanageable, you work hard to regain manageability, including seeking out whatever form of professional assistance is needed in your particular case...beginning with a complete medical evaluation...once any medical issues have been addressed you connect with other helping professionals...and you focus on doing everything you can to recover.

It has been said many times here on these boards: You can not master another if you are not able to master yourself.

From the remarks you have made to the other responses it seems as though you are trying to create a situation that is unworkable.

People can and do "what if" themselves to death.

What if you just focus on doing the next right thing for yourself and the people you care about...beginning with 'you' first.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/20/2009 11:19:44 AM

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Whatever level you're at, your job is to do the best you can working with what you have.

I'm having trouble seeing how there could be any other options but that. What does one do, other than the best one can with what one has?

You might have to go more specific to get a more specific reply.

Are you asking about our thoughts on suicide?
On our ideas of responsibility toward others?

What I mean by "the best you can" is 1) getting your affairs in order (this means not being a fuck up. Attend to your mundane responsibilities)

2) Meet your obligations that aren't mundane, even if they are just spiritual, emotional, symbolic (whatever) towards friends and family, associates.

3) Generally try and make yourself useful somehow.

Take care of yourself first, like those airplane instructions that tell you to put the oxygen mask on first before you can help others.

But - even if you are of no use to yourself, see if you can make yourself usefull to others. To not do so is to waste an asset and just serves to rob them further.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/20/2009 11:49:40 AM

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Whatever level you're at, your job is to do the best you can working with what you have.

I'm having trouble seeing how there could be any other options but that. What does one do, other than the best one can with what one has?

Well - yes, we can say that "Everyone is just doing the best that they can."
But is that really true?
Can you say it's true of yourself?
Personally, I'm a lazy fuck half of the time.
And when I make a mistake, I address it *usually* in a satifactory way, but I'm not always methodical about anything right now.
Because I'm fairly at ease with where I'm at.
I can get results when I need them.

But - if you want to acheive a certain result, you may have to get methodical.
You may have to add practice and discipline to acheive a result.

The same with things like spiritual questioning. I've reached a place where I'm still interested, but not overly concerned. Not like I was when I was in my early 20's and searching and checking out books on religions and psychology left and right.

But yeah - if you're not comfortable with where you're at with those things, then it's time to hit the books, or the lecture circuit, or the e-forums, and so on.

Now - this is all granting that we have some decision making power over our lives.
Like I'm guessing that you and I do.

If we were to try and imagine a worst case scenario, like homelessness coupled with mental and/or physical illness, then I might grant you that someone in a scenario completely without options could only do "the best they can with what they have."

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/22/2009 6:30:53 PM

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Depends how essential D/s is to you.

Personally I evolved.

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/22/2009 6:49:25 PM

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easier said than done i know... but find the one thing to focus on that little by little that makes You strong. Focus on that... if it be religion, reading, comedy. D/s itself or whatever it is for You. Focus on that pleasure to fill Yourself up with it... and it will get You through those darkest moments till You come out the other end

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RE: What would you do if you "lost the touch?" - 2/23/2009 2:00:50 AM

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Geeze, the thought is very depressing. Well, I don't believe in suicide, and non of my acquaintances will do it for me, so I guess I'd just stick it out and hope I got over it.

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