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corysub -> Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/17/2009 7:15:03 PM)
Keith Olbermann shouted the praises of the Obama/Pelosi spending program with the good news that the federal government will replace the Osage River Bridge near Tusccumbia, in Central Missouri....the first "shovel ready" project to be built with stimulus funds. Three cheers for infrastucture spending to put us all back to work! But wait... the bridge is apparently scheduled for completion in 2010...good news for the workers knowing they will have "work" for a little more than a year and a half. And thus you see the future. The democrat Congress has aqpproved the spending of a borrowed $800 billion to create "temporary" work for people, satisfy the "wishlist" of politicians...and not create any lasting "job". The farce of a Stimulus Package continues to unfurl. Edit to add link: http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2009/02/16/daily24.html

MarsBonfire -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/17/2009 7:27:06 PM)
Yes, those workers will finish that job and will immediately fired, NEVER to work another construction job as long as they live! Too bad they couldn't, say, bid on ANOTHER job, that the government might have waiting in the wings... God knows there are SO FEW of these infrastructure repairs to be made... <er>

Vendaval -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/17/2009 7:39:42 PM)
cory, working on a project that lasts for 1 1/2 years will be a great opportunity for construction workers. They go from project to project and have to move around or commute long distances. That is the nature of their employment.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/17/2009 7:47:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Three cheers for infrastucture spending to put us all back to work! But wait... the bridge is apparently scheduled for completion in 2010...good news for the workers knowing they will have "work" for a little more than a year and a half. And thus you see the future. The democrat Congress has aqpproved the spending of a borrowed $800 billion to create "temporary" work for people, satisfy the "wishlist" of politicians...and not create any lasting "job". The farce of a Stimulus Package continues to unfurl. Jesus christ on a crutch, will anything make you fucking happy? If it was a 5-year project instead of an 18-month project, you'd be crying like a 3-year old girl because the money's spread out over too long a period of time instead of being used to provide an immediate jump-start. Enough is enough; there used to be a time when I found value in many of your posts because even though we disagreed, they helped me test the validity of my own beliefs and I usually got the sense that at least your motivations were coming from the right place. Now you've just become a whining, bitter parody of yourself, and you're finally not even worth reading anymore. Enjoy the next 4 years.

corysub -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/17/2009 7:52:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval cory, working on a project that lasts for 1 1/2 years will be a great opportunity for construction workers. They go from project to project and have to move around or commute long distances. That is the nature of their employment. I understand that this is a wonderful opportunity for construction workers. My family has its share of people that put up houses, flooring, and the like. There is no question in my mind that what we are doing in building infrastucture is needed...but it also has a "back story". What were the governors, the municiapal politcal leaders of any party doing over the years to let these roads and bridges get into such a state of disrepair. Where was the money being channeled from the rainbow of taxes that we all pay? We are in the midst of a serious recession with unemployment about 7.3% and moving higher. Obama had a chance to be a "statesman" and truly do the line by line veto thing he sang about during the campaign. These bridges do make work...but government work is not a job...only profit oriented business creates jobs, and this legislation shows me nothing to stimulate the business of the country. The stock market performance today and coming days will be the report card representing the hopes and fears of people around the world. Today the market was down about 300 points..over 2,000 since Obama was elected. The administration has done a poor of building confidence and has instead built fear in their effort to hype the stimulus plan. It's not a plan...it's a liberal democrat party "wish list" come true..like Christmas in February.

Vendaval -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/17/2009 8:01:19 PM)
Big projects like building and repairing bridges, highways and the like are government financed and individual contractors can bid on the projects. So the business owners who win the contracts will have profits and be able to bid and negotiate for other projects in the future. quote: ORIGINAL: corysub These bridges do make work...but government work is not a job...only profit oriented business creates jobs, and this legislation shows me nothing to stimulate the business of the country.

Kaledorus -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/17/2009 8:02:10 PM)
Without E-verify those jobs may very well go to illegal aliens. They have been found working on Federal projects before. Also the government is now the largest employer.

kdsub -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/17/2009 8:36:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval cory, working on a project that lasts for 1 1/2 years will be a great opportunity for construction workers. They go from project to project and have to move around or commute long distances. That is the nature of their employment. I understand that this is a wonderful opportunity for construction workers. My family has its share of people that put up houses, flooring, and the like. There is no question in my mind that what we are doing in building infrastucture is needed...but it also has a "back story". What were the governors, the municiapal politcal leaders of any party doing over the years to let these roads and bridges get into such a state of disrepair. Where was the money being channeled from the rainbow of taxes that we all pay? We are in the midst of a serious recession with unemployment about 7.3% and moving higher. Obama had a chance to be a "statesman" and truly do the line by line veto thing he sang about during the campaign. These bridges do make work...but government work is not a job...only profit oriented business creates jobs, and this legislation shows me nothing to stimulate the business of the country. The stock market performance today and coming days will be the report card representing the hopes and fears of people around the world. Today the market was down about 300 points..over 2,000 since Obama was elected. The administration has done a poor of building confidence and has instead built fear in their effort to hype the stimulus plan. It's not a plan...it's a liberal democrat party "wish list" come true..like Christmas in February. Missouri is ..a republican state...just thought I'd say that but...Like many states we have lost a good part of our tax base when heavy industry moved out of country. There is no money in the coffers and there hasn't been for 20 years. The people of Missouri can't afford higher taxes so it was a choice...schools or roads and bridges… We took schools. Butch

corysub -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 2:01:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Three cheers for infrastucture spending to put us all back to work! But wait... the bridge is apparently scheduled for completion in 2010...good news for the workers knowing they will have "work" for a little more than a year and a half. And thus you see the future. The democrat Congress has aqpproved the spending of a borrowed $800 billion to create "temporary" work for people, satisfy the "wishlist" of politicians...and not create any lasting "job". The farce of a Stimulus Package continues to unfurl. Jesus christ on a crutch, will anything make you fucking happy? If it was a 5-year project instead of an 18-month project, you'd be crying like a 3-year old girl because the money's spread out over too long a period of time instead of being used to provide an immediate jump-start. Enough is enough; there used to be a time when I found value in many of your posts because even though we disagreed, they helped me test the validity of my own beliefs and I usually got the sense that at least your motivations were coming from the right place. Now you've just become a whining, bitter parody of yourself, and you're finally not even worth reading anymore. Enjoy the next 4 years. You and some of the others here totally miss the mark. Government does not know how to create jobs...only make work projects with a sunset. We had..past tense, an opportunity to save our economy with stimulus legislation that truly was done to stimulate "business"..to create jobs...putting people to work in real jobs, for companies trying to make a profit and, if successful, a place a worker could go for years, earn pensions, profit sharing benefits, etc. The money that we are borrowing could have gone to upgrading the infrastructure of American industry to1 make it more competitive on the world stage. There could have been a tax holiday for individuals for some time...a few months maybe..in the form of retroactive checks to those that paid taxes, cut the corporate tax rate to keep companies from moving operations to tax advantaged areas such as Ireland, for example,...and on and on.... Obviously, when you have almost a trillion dollars being spent...some of it will be doing good things, despite the best attempts of Maxine Waters, Barney Frank, and others. However, what we mostly haver here is the fulfillment of a twenty year liberl wish list, earmarks for a a six billion dollar railroad from Disneyland to Las Vegas, to $30 million for saving the "Marsh Mouse." In addition, there were deletions, for example, of two billion for the building of military hospitals...so much for the deep concern Pelosi has for our military. There is also a provision for the creation of a health czar who will be charged with developing a "standard" treatment for your doctor to treat you that will be more cost/benefit, or your doctor would be penalized. Since the only people who know what is really in this legislation are the lobbiests who wrote it....we are going to have to suffer the daily release of more of the rotten nature of this farce and the stench is going to blow the economy apart. The stock market and the increase in gold prices is already reflecting that concern. Frankly, I didn't give a damn if liberals, Obamaites..or whatever, want to play their games..but we can no longer afford taxpayer funding of their stupid economics. Now they are taking the rest of us down with them. The country is broken...and it's "same old, same old, democrat poltics...that's the "change" you might believe in..but I don't. As Keynes said, "give a man bottles to bury in the sand, and you give a man a job"..and that's about what we ae doing with the Pelosi/Obama/Reid DPA...Democrat Protection Act of 2009.

SilverMark -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 2:33:27 AM)
cory, your posts are becoming superfluous....your continued axe grinding is BORING.....

rulemylife -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 3:26:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Keith Olbermann shouted the praises of the Obama/Pelosi spending program with the good news that the federal government will replace the Osage River Bridge near Tusccumbia, in Central Missouri....the first "shovel ready" project to be built with stimulus funds. Three cheers for infrastucture spending to put us all back to work! But wait... the bridge is apparently scheduled for completion in 2010...good news for the workers knowing they will have "work" for a little more than a year and a half. And thus you see the future. The democrat Congress has aqpproved the spending of a borrowed $800 billion to create "temporary" work for people, satisfy the "wishlist" of politicians...and not create any lasting "job". The farce of a Stimulus Package continues to unfurl. Edit to add link: http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2009/02/16/daily24.html At least it's a bridge to somewhere.

corysub -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 3:52:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark cory, your posts are becoming superfluous....your continued axe grinding is BORING..... And you don't think what we are witnessing these days is.the destruction of the American balance sheet with the passing of legislation that represents the largest spending Bill in the history of the world with only a "superflous" reading by our representatives and written by Pelosi and lobbiests? If that thousand page contract between democrats and their supporters is a plan you feel is in the best interests of Americans well..good luck to ya. I'm just posting here on a chat page...but we have a man playing President who glosses over intense issue with superflous, if elequent, oratory. Sure he means well,we all mean well. And certainly dont read my superfluous comments...just turn off the sound on your TV and tune in to CNBC or Bloomberg and, in the quietness of your home and a drink in your hand, watch the destruction of capitalism in living color . That ticker tape going across the bottom of the screen is the EKG of the heart of capitalism. It's not republican or democrat...and it's headed towards flatline. Again good luck to ya....and I really mean that. cory

LaTigresse -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 4:00:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Keith Olbermann shouted the praises of the Obama/Pelosi spending program with the good news that the federal government will replace the Osage River Bridge near Tusccumbia, in Central Missouri....the first "shovel ready" project to be built with stimulus funds. Three cheers for infrastucture spending to put us all back to work! But wait... the bridge is apparently scheduled for completion in 2010...good news for the workers knowing they will have "work" for a little more than a year and a half. And thus you see the future. The democrat Congress has aqpproved the spending of a borrowed $800 billion to create "temporary" work for people, satisfy the "wishlist" of politicians...and not create any lasting "job". The farce of a Stimulus Package continues to unfurl. Edit to add link: http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2009/02/16/daily24.html At least it's a bridge to somewhere. Now THAT made me smile!! And Cory, I agree. I tend to skip over your posts now simply because they have begun to show, not just a little bit, of, quite frankly, disturbing, fanaticism. I enjoy reading a well thought out, well educated and researched, post that opposes my own thoughts, but makes me think. Yours quit doing that quite awhile back.

corysub -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 4:54:39 AM)
Been thinking about the comments from rule and Tigresse. Actually, they both make a good point. In reviewing what I have written I think I am being caught up in the furor and intensity of each day and rushing to get a post out that is more a reflection of passion than intellect. In some respects I probably mirror what my representatives did in Congress.."we have to do something..anything..so vote yes on a Bill we know is not the best we can do". I felt I had to either say something or put my fist through the wall, and I have a better use for my hand than breaking it on some plasterboard. Gonna cut back on postings and just cherry pick. By the way, I really thought everything I posted was brilliant!! [:)]

Lorr47 -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 6:59:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Three cheers for infrastucture spending to put us all back to work! But wait... the bridge is apparently scheduled for completion in 2010...good news for the workers knowing they will have "work" for a little more than a year and a half. And thus you see the future. The democrat Congress has aqpproved the spending of a borrowed $800 billion to create "temporary" work for people, satisfy the "wishlist" of politicians...and not create any lasting "job". The farce of a Stimulus Package continues to unfurl. Jesus christ on a crutch, will anything make you fucking happy? If it was a 5-year project instead of an 18-month project, you'd be crying like a 3-year old girl because the money's spread out over too long a period of time instead of being used to provide an immediate jump-start. Enough is enough; there used to be a time when I found value in many of your posts because even though we disagreed, they helped me test the validity of my own beliefs and I usually got the sense that at least your motivations were coming from the right place. Now you've just become a whining, bitter parody of yourself, and you're finally not even worth reading anymore. Enjoy the next 4 years. You and some of the others here totally miss the mark. Government does not know how to create jobs...only make work projects with a sunset. We had..past tense, an opportunity to save our economy with stimulus legislation that truly was done to stimulate "business"..to create jobs...putting people to work in real jobs, for companies trying to make a profit and, if successful, a place a worker could go for years, earn pensions, profit sharing benefits, etc. The money that we are borrowing could have gone to upgrading the infrastructure of American industry to1 make it more competitive on the world stage. There could have been a tax holiday for individuals for some time...a few months maybe..in the form of retroactive checks to those that paid taxes, cut the corporate tax rate to keep companies from moving operations to tax advantaged areas such as Ireland, for example,...and on and on.... Obviously, when you have almost a trillion dollars being spent...some of it will be doing good things, despite the best attempts of Maxine Waters, Barney Frank, and others. However, what we mostly haver here is the fulfillment of a twenty year liberl wish list, earmarks for a a six billion dollar railroad from Disneyland to Las Vegas, to $30 million for saving the "Marsh Mouse." In addition, there were deletions, for example, of two billion for the building of military hospitals...so much for the deep concern Pelosi has for our military. There is also a provision for the creation of a health czar who will be charged with developing a "standard" treatment for your doctor to treat you that will be more cost/benefit, or your doctor would be penalized. Since the only people who know what is really in this legislation are the lobbiests who wrote it....we are going to have to suffer the daily release of more of the rotten nature of this farce and the stench is going to blow the economy apart. The stock market and the increase in gold prices is already reflecting that concern. Frankly, I didn't give a damn if liberals, Obamaites..or whatever, want to play their games..but we can no longer afford taxpayer funding of their stupid economics. Now they are taking the rest of us down with them. The country is broken...and it's "same old, same old, democrat poltics...that's the "change" you might believe in..but I don't. As Keynes said, "give a man bottles to bury in the sand, and you give a man a job"..and that's about what we ae doing with the Pelosi/Obama/Reid DPA...Democrat Protection Act of 2009. I must be missing something, Cory. I understand that the changes in the stimulus package were required by the republicans. If democrats were not trying to please the republicans, the act would not have been changed. Hence the republicans screwed the military and also the states. Also, "the same old liberal politics?" Wasn't Bush in command of the path to this mess for eight years with the republican party; Bush's actions showing him to be the greatest socialist in history. Been wearing your dog collar too tight lately have we?

LaTigresse -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 7:21:41 AM)
Cory, I just wanted to add a little more. It is very unlikely that we will agree about most things political, that is a good thing. It is what makes this country great. I enjoy discussing issues with people that see things differently. I may not change my core value, but I might see things in a different light. Yet, when that opposing information is a constant barrage of frantic negativity, it is just as wacky as the constant barrage of frantic "messiah can do no wrong" stuff from people that are more similarly politically minded. I am a realist and don't listen/read to either. Neither has validity. As an example, your thread regarding Obama not wearing a suit coat in office. Just a few days after I saw that thread I saw a news story that joked about it, why it was such a big issue. Because GW had done the same thing multiple times and they had photos of it. Yet there was no research prior to posting the thread bashing Obama for doing it. It was just pure, frantic, negative.......bullshit. The type of bullshit that does neither camp one iota of good. And it sure doesn't make the person posting the thread look very positive either, even if I did agree with the basic idea. Which I don't but still. I just don't see a reason to constantly jump on every single news bite, looking for a new thread to jump up and down and scream "the sky is falling the sky is fallling!!" There is a certain, frothing, rabid quality to the whole thing. Yeah, the country is in the crapper. Yeah, it's scary as hell. But I am quite confident we will all survive it, one way or another. Bigshots are going to continue to screw shit up. I expect it. Not like there is some sort of manual for all this craziness. Everyone will just keep slogging along trying to do the best they can. Historians will be able to look back with 20/20 vision and pick it apart just like we do now with past leaders. I just look at the big picture and think.........compared to some people in this world, we still have it damned good. We simply are going to have to do a bit of re-adjusting our concept of good.

corysub -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 7:31:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Cory, I just wanted to add a little more. It is very unlikely that we will agree about most things political, that is a good thing. It is what makes this country great. I enjoy discussing issues with people that see things differently. I may not change my core value, but I might see things in a different light. Yet, when that opposing information is a constant barrage of frantic negativity, it is just as wacky as the constant barrage of frantic "messiah can do no wrong" stuff from people that are more similarly politically minded. I am a realist and don't listen/read to either. Neither has validity. As an example, your thread regarding Obama not wearing a suit coat in office. Just a few days after I saw that thread I saw a news story that joked about it, why it was such a big issue. Because GW had done the same thing multiple times and they had photos of it. Yet there was no research prior to posting the thread bashing Obama for doing it. It was just pure, frantic, negative.......bullshit. The type of bullshit that does neither camp one iota of good. And it sure doesn't make the person posting the thread look very positive either, even if I did agree with the basic idea. Which I don't but still. I just don't see a reason to constantly jump on every single news bite, looking for a new thread to jump up and down and scream "the sky is falling the sky is fallling!!" There is a certain, frothing, rabid quality to the whole thing. Yeah, the country is in the crapper. Yeah, it's scary as hell. But I am quite confident we will all survive it, one way or another. Bigshots are going to continue to screw shit up. I expect it. Not like there is some sort of manual for all this craziness. Everyone will just keep slogging along trying to do the best they can. Historians will be able to look back with 20/20 vision and pick it apart just like we do now with past leaders. I just look at the big picture and think.........compared to some people in this world, we still have it damned good. We simply are going to have to do a bit of re-adjusting our concept of good. Thank you for your comments. Much appreciated. You have to also look at it from the "neocon" side of the aisle. For eight years we heard a constant drum beating against Bush blaming the President for everything but bubonic plague. The name calling...the curses..the vile comments were worse than any one had to hear other than followers of Adolph Hitler in the aftermath of WW2!. My steady harping on every little thing I could find was possibly a little "getting back" at the wacko's on the left who didn't say anything constructive or add to the dialogue other than four letter words and irrational comments. While my comments, admittedly, were over the top at times...it was also interesting to see the psychological reaction by some here and the relatively "thin skin" some on the left have when a critque is directed at THEIR hero. It's kinda a different perspective when you are outside throwing snowballs and on the inside receiving end. I enjoy intelligent discourse...we can all learn something from each other..and, as Obama has said,.."no one has a monopoly on good ideas...republican or democrat". Take care, cory

Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 8:08:35 AM)
Hey cory , I read that after interest it is going to be $ 2,000,000,000,000.00. Rejoice rejoice all is well.

kittinSol -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 8:12:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 Rejoice rejoice all is well. That's precisely what we were asked to do under the previous presidency, by the way.

Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Missouri bridge is first project to break ground with stimulus money (2/18/2009 8:16:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire Yes, those workers will finish that job and will immediately fired, NEVER to work another construction job as long as they live! Too bad they couldn't, say, bid on ANOTHER job, that the government might have waiting in the wings... God knows there are SO FEW of these infrastructure repairs to be made... <er> What is a real pitty is that , no non union shops cant bid on any of these projects. cause is PAY BACK TIME, Personally I beleive that it is illegal/immoral for the gov to exclude non union shops from gov contracts. Violates the 14th. but its pork Who cares , according to schumer americans dont care about little porkie projects.

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