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TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 9:19:11 AM   
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Body scanners replace metal detectors in tryout at Tulsa airport

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 9:31:51 AM   
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It's disgusting 

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 9:42:46 AM   
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On a tertiary note I have heard of this technology, many years ago. I worked for a high end Sony dealer and they sold camcorders and cameras of course, well one of the night vision versions, someone found, with the proper filter on the lens could indeed see through clothes. Real Xray specs folks !

However another thing I remember is that we were really under the gun to get all of them back. I mean threatened.

Actually I figured all those years ago that the government would take and use this technology, I just wondered when news of it would surface.What you have to know is if you strip the tape deck and the battery to feed all the motors etc., it can be made quite small. Easily would fit in the palm of your hand.

But I guess the gov is the only one allowed to have the Xray specs.

Strip searched to fly ? Indeed we are not far from that. What's next a full body cavity search ?

Archie Bunker was right, just pass out the pistols on the way into the plane and nobody will try anything. The gov being against the arming of pilots is proof to me, proof of exactly what is not clear. At the very least it is stupidity, at worst, I'll leave that to the conspiracy theorists.

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 9:43:44 AM   
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Guess where a lot of perv's will be lining up to get a job...

Some screener's are great.. but how many were found to be illegally in the states... or with criminal history?  I think they better think long and hard about who they are hiring and do some better checking into them to protect the passenger who must show all their goods to strangers and protect them.  Screener's would have access to the passenger's name and location.  I had to show them my ticket and they held it until I was searched.

Personally... if I have to show my body to take a flight... I will be traveling some other way.  The body search and all that in front of a lot of people was bad enough and I did rethink flying then.  I do believe we need to be safe... but I just don't like this.  We have no privacy because of some bad guys... and could have bad guy's getting a charge from watching and simply doing their job.  Then again... they get to look at someone that could be pretty bad... I wonder... will they be looking really well at those?

My view might be slanted... but that's how I see it.  I guess I have run into a lot of perv's in life. lol



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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 9:48:12 AM   
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Ditto 

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:07:11 AM   
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I thought they'd already done this at Tampa

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:10:31 AM   
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It's just another "feel good" measure. 

Passengers are subjected to intrusive searches to provide the illusion of safety.

Yet, while all passengers airlines carry cargo, cargo exclusive of passenger baggage, none of that cargo has been subject to screening until recently.

Which begs the question, If you want to blow up an airplane would you be trying to smuggle explosives on board or would you just put them in a box and ship them as freight on that airplane?

Even now, the new rules only allow for screening of 50% of cargo with 100 % scheduled for August 2010.  Nine years after 9/11.

The reason?  The bottom line of profit, as always.  Business groups have lobbied long and hard against these new rules.

And even now businesses are bemoaning the impending regulations:



New air cargo screening rules looming, shippers brace for impactAug 28, 2008 ... Passenger airlines fear the impact new regulations for screening cargo will have on their bottom lines. Transporting cargo accounts for ...
news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=98411 - 26k


The plan, which is expected to cost the cargo industry between $3 billion and $4 billion over the next 10 years, essentially leaves shippers such as Flynn with two options: purchase costly screening equipment, or hope for the best.

“It’s absolutely tragic,” Flynn said. “It will destroy the industry and put thousands of people out of work.”

The new guidelines, which were signed into law last August following the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, will require the screening of 50 percent of all cargo transported on passenger aircraft by February 2009. By August of 2010, 100 percent of the 6 billion pounds worth of cargo transported on passenger planes will have to be screened.




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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:16:59 AM   
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I thought they'd already done this at Tampa


There were trials of the equipment conducted at a small number of airports using one or two screening stations at each airport.

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:18:36 AM   
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Passengers are subjected to intrusive searches to provide the illusion of safety


Only fools would be reassured that such measures would improve passenger safety .


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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:19:28 AM   
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And going on eight years after 9/11 that Mexican border is still wide open.

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:21:11 AM   
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Huh... what does the Mexican border have to do with 9/11 again? You do realise that the terrorists responsible actually had perfectly legitimate visas, right?

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:23:14 AM   
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Huh... what does the Mexican border have to do with 9/11 again? You do realise that the terrorists responsible actually had perfectly legitimate visas, right?


Ah Kittin, I'll let you think about that for a bit.
And where have you been for the last week or two?

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:24:21 AM   
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Somehow, it doesn't particularly surprise me that Oklahoma - where we Should have signs at the state border reading "welcome to Oklahoma - please deposit constitutional rights in recepticles provided - have a nice day" posted - is going to be the first of the Offically and Publically Acknowledged tests.....
 
(I wonder if I could trade one of the cars in on a small plane so I can just fly myself All the time rather than having to fly commercial part of the time... )

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:26:48 AM   
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Strip searched to fly ? Indeed we are not far from that. What's next a full body cavity search ?


Woooooooohooooooo! Sign me up!  Uhhh, I mean... oh, that would be bad, bad, bad. 


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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:26:56 AM   
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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:28:00 AM   
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People can walk through the metal detector instead if they like and then be groped on the way out.

Choices choices.

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:29:54 AM   
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Woooooooohooooooo! Sign me up!  Uhhh, I mean... oh, that would be bad, bad, bad. 



All joking aside, yeah, it would be .


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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:31:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

People can walk through the metal detector instead if they like and then be groped on the way out.

Choices choices.


Such a wonderful opportunity to let perverts find fulfillment in their line of work, isn't it ?

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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:33:16 AM   
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I thought they'd already done this at Tampa

There were trials of the equipment conducted at a small number of airports using one or two screening stations at each airport.


I think they need some corrections to their story.  They said:  An experimental program that begins today at Tulsa International Airport will test whether the $170,000 body scanners could replace $10,000 metal detectors that have screened airline passengers since 1973. Airports in San Francisco, Las Vegas, Miami, Albuquerque and Salt Lake City will join the test in the next two months, TSA spokesman Christopher White said.
 
As GT said, this is not new.  And Las Vegas has had the scanners for some time now; I saw them in use last July when I flew thru there.  There were other airports with them as well.

What makes this "experimental program that begins today" any different than the experimental program already in place at some airports??


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RE: TSA scanning or patting down - 2/18/2009 10:33:28 AM   
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And going on eight years after 9/11 that Mexican border is still wide open.


What do you mean?

Illegals have somehow found a way around the 700 mile fence protecting our 2,000 mile border?

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