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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/22/2009 9:38:54 PM   
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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 12:37:44 AM   
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The Post also has numerous articles referring to "Obama's Stimulus plan."

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 12:45:00 AM   
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The shake is a one man issue keeper aliver,with this thread.he-he

No wonder it won`t go away.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 6:32:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since you`re asking,...no.

Seriously,if one is going to complain that a story gets more coverage then is deserves,they shouldn`t keep talking it,post after long post after longer post.

There`s no evidence that "THE MEDIA" ginned up this story.The paper did a fine job of fucking themselves without any help.

The cartoon,the ham handed non-apology and obfuscation by the paper`s managers and the revisionist history/vigorous backpedaling are what made this a sexy story.Not,<drum-roll>"THE MEDIA".....

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 12:17:05 PM   
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"Legendary author Gay Talese has begun his own campaign to help the poor benefit from President Obama's stimulus plan."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132009/business/caterpillar_blow_for_o_154994.htm

EAST PEORIA, Ill. - President Obama's stimulus plan may be good for Caterpillar, but its chief executive says the company will probably lay off more staff before it rehires any of the more than 22,000 employees it already plans to cut.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02122009/news/politics/you_call_that_a_tax_break__154810.htm

WASHINGTON - Economic stimulus legislation at the heart of President Barack Obama's recovery plan is on track for final votes in the House and Senate after a dizzying final round of bargaining that yielded agreement on tax cuts and spending totaling $789 billion.

Let's rap this thing up.  The Post states that the chimp should not be construed as being Obama....Yet in many of their own news stories the stimulus package is referred to as Obamas' Stimulus Plan.

Now you believers are going to have to backtrack once again....Now you are going to have to swallow some more crap and say...."Well, in this instance it wasn't referring to Obama."

Either way it sucks....it sucks to defend something like the Post.  I don't and never have believed them...I have provided the proof that they should not be believed.  As a matter of convenience and to avoid have to "man-up" and further ramifications they try to distant themselves from the cartoon.  Those without the ability to question simply accept their response.  I look for truths that will undermine their apology as well as their stance on the interpretation of the cartoon that they chose to run...I'm sure if I went deeper into their archives I could have found more references to the Post referring to "Obama's Stimulus Plan."...It was not 100% that they used this terminology. But it was apparent that any avid reader of the post would easily make this connection(Monkey -Obama) based on the Posts' own words...End of story?

Spin this how you may.  Don't acknowledge the probable and most logical solution.  Hold firmly to your political bias.  It already has allowed a black president to be elected. It has allowed the Dems to control Congress....Your inability to bend and to moderate opinions in the face of facts will be the parties undoing.  I am not exagerating.  This is not a leap.  One extreme will always cause the public to head towards the other side.  It's now the Dems turn to fuck things up.   I have no doubt that they will do a splendid job of it.  However, the last eight years is a daunting act to follow.

Check and mate.


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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 5:55:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		well o59 I'm not keeping this alive ;)  domiguy is and now the NAACP is doing there protests so its keeping the story in the headlines.  Where were the NAACP when Ms rice was subjected to racist cartoons??  where were there protests or requests for an apology from the author? should be easy to find with a google search, right?? ;)

Oh Domiguy the article was quoting the words of  Gay Talese.  and the other one an executive of caterpillar.  Just because they called it Obamas plan and the post quoted their words doesn't mean Obama wrote the plan.

keep flopping on the ground pretending to be fouled, it not working with me ;)








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ORIGINAL: domiguy

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02182009/news/regionalnews/taleses_novel_pitch_for_poor_155714.htm
"Legendary author Gay Talese has begun his own campaign to help the poor benefit from President Obama's stimulus plan."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132009/business/caterpillar_blow_for_o_154994.htm

EAST PEORIA, Ill. - President Obama's stimulus plan may be good for Caterpillar, but its chief executive says the company will probably lay off more staff before it rehires any of the more than 22,000 employees it already plans to cut.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02122009/news/politics/you_call_that_a_tax_break__154810.htm

WASHINGTON - Economic stimulus legislation at the heart of President Barack Obama's recovery plan is on track for final votes in the House and Senate after a dizzying final round of bargaining that yielded agreement on tax cuts and spending totaling $789 billion.

Let's rap this thing up.  The Post states that the chimp should not be construed as being Obama....Yet in many of their own news stories the stimulus package is referred to as Obamas' Stimulus Plan.

Now you believers are going to have to backtrack once again....Now you are going to have to swallow some more crap and say...."Well, in this instance it wasn't referring to Obama."

Either way it sucks....it sucks to defend something like the Post.  I don't and never have believed them...I have provided the proof that they should not be believed.  As a matter of convenience and to avoid have to "man-up" and further ramifications they try to distant themselves from the cartoon.  Those without the ability to question simply accept their response.  I look for truths that will undermine their apology as well as their stance on the interpretation of the cartoon that they chose to run...I'm sure if I went deeper into their archives I could have found more references to the Post referring to "Obama's Stimulus Plan."...It was not 100% that they used this terminology. But it was apparent that any avid reader of the post would easily make this connection(Monkey -Obama) based on the Posts' own words...End of story?

Spin this how you may.  Don't acknowledge the probable and most logical solution.  Hold firmly to your political bias.  It already has allowed a black president to be elected. It has allowed the Dems to control Congress....Your inability to bend and to moderate opinions in the face of facts will be the parties undoing.  I am not exagerating.  This is not a leap.  One extreme will always cause the public to head towards the other side.  It's now the Dems turn to fuck things up.   I have no doubt that they will do a splendid job of it.  However, the last eight years is a daunting act to follow.

Check and mate.


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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 6:40:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the Post had manned up sorry and said and acted like they were sorry,this would be last weeks news.

The Post is not a victim here.They are the perp.


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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 7:17:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		why should they have to follow that standard???? when liberals who do the same to Ms rice have no standards to follow at all.
what the post should do is get rights to the Ms rice cartoons make by liberals and print them on the front page with a headline...where was the outrage by the NAACP then???
Make the NAACP confront there double standard with something that wasn't debatable.


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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 7:44:16 PM   
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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 8:31:34 PM   
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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/23/2009 9:17:53 PM   
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To continue to insist this cartoon is racist, when you now know that it was not printed as such, can only indicate racist attitudes of the protestors.


By your logic, or lack thereof,  if  I came up to you and shot you between your eyes; and thereafter issued a statement that I actually had no intent to shoot you between your eyes; then the "fact" is  established beyond all doubt that I had no intent to shoot you between your eyes.  Don't you think my statement to be sort of self serving?

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 10:42:40 AM   
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well o59 I'm not keeping this alive ;)  domiguy is and now the NAACP is doing cthe story in the headlines.  Where were the NAACP when Ms rice was subjected to racist cartoons??  where were there protests or requests for an apology from the author? should be easy to find with a google search, right?? ;)

Oh Domiguy the article was quoting the words of  Gay Talese.  and the other one an executive of caterpillar.  Just because they called it Obamas plan and the post quoted their words doesn't mean Obama wrote the plan.

keep flopping on the ground pretending to be fouled, it not working with me ;)








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ORIGINAL: domiguy

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02182009/news/regionalnews/taleses_novel_pitch_for_poor_155714.htm
"Legendary author Gay Talese has begun his own campaign to help the poor benefit from President Obama's stimulus plan."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132009/business/caterpillar_blow_for_o_154994.htm

EAST PEORIA, Ill. - President Obama's stimulus plan may be good for Caterpillar, but its chief executive says the company will probably lay off more staff before it rehires any of the more than 22,000 employees it already plans to cut.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02122009/news/politics/you_call_that_a_tax_break__154810.htm

WASHINGTON - Economic stimulus legislation at the heart of President Barack Obama's recovery plan is on track for final votes in the House and Senate after a dizzying final round of bargaining that yielded agreement on tax cuts and spending totaling $789 billion.

Check and mate.




This is usually the time that I get myself moderated... It is when I have discovered that I am dealing with someone that is unable to read, or is incapable of digesting in a sane manner that which they have read or written.

I can see I am now going to have to walk Mastershake69 through this....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02182009/news/regionalnews/taleses_novel_pitch_for_poor_155714.htm
Legendary author Gay Talese has begun his own campaign to help the poor benefit from President Obama's stimulus plan.
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This is not a quote from Talese...It is a quote from the Post...If you would have taken the time to read it ...You possibly might have been able to decipher this fact.  Possibly.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132009/business/caterpillar_blow_for_o_154994.htm

EAST PEORIA, Ill. - President Obama's stimulus plan may be good for Caterpillar, but its chief executive says the company will probably lay off more staff before it rehires any of the more than 22,000 employees it already plans to cut.

-----

This is not some quote from a Cat executive....What would even allow you to make such a ridiculous observation?  it is the Post referring to the stimulus plan as Obamas'.

 
 
So please quit flopping on the ground as if you are suffering from some horrid brain injury....If you are, my apologies.
 
This should be a reminder to all, when it comes to dealing  with such individuals....Someone who is clearly incapable of following an argument.  Will take any path to escape his own words as well as to obfuscate any rational discussion.  I tire of you.  You are not worthy of my time.  You should stick to watching star trek.


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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 10:51:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just don`t take the bait.

He`s being obstinate and willfully ignorant on purpose,to get a rise out of you(us).

He`s not playing fair and should be overlooked if he doesn`t want to participate in the discussion.

Today I heard their dear leader Rush,referring to the budget as Obama`s,as well as to all the economic plans as President Obama`s.

Sorry guys,can`t have it both ways.It`s either Obama`s or it isn`t.

Does all the BSing from ya`ll mean that you won`t criticize the President over the stim-plan from now on?I mean sense it`s the congress` plan and all.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 10:55:34 AM   
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Some people need something to bitch about.


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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 11:00:04 AM   
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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 11:01:40 AM   
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I predict the Post editor responsible for this will get fired.But in like a year,when no one`ll notice.



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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 11:24:17 AM   
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well Seeings as obama didnt write the porkulus bill then no.
and even if it was, it would not be.
it wasnt that long ago that they ( the media) drew W as a chimp.



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ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57

hell no, you see what they did to the guy with the abort obama sign?
SS went to his house and tossed it.
I guess the first ammendment is dead now!


quote:

ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57

Much ado about NADA!
Some people need something to bitch about.



Yes, it does appear that your contributions to this thread were much about nothing.

Not being able to distinguish that different racial implications apply to whether one is black or white....Suggesting that Obama didn't write the stimulus bill...Even though the "dead Chimp" in the cartoon is suggested to have written it...So when the Post refers to the Stimulus plan as Obama's you suggest that it is still about nothing.

You don't appear to have the ability to discern that if a citizen makes a threat against the Prez that actions will be taken and that these types of threats do not fall within your 1st amendment rights.

Much ado about nothing.


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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 12:15:31 PM   
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The Post has every right to make fools of themselves .New Yorkers have the right to respond.

Seems like it`s the Post supporters that are interested in quashing dissent.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 2:24:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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To continue to insist this cartoon is racist, when you now know that it was not printed as such, can only indicate racist attitudes of the protestors.


By your logic, or lack thereof,  if  I came up to you and shot you between your eyes; and thereafter issued a statement that I actually had no intent to shoot you between your eyes; then the "fact" is  established beyond all doubt that I had no intent to shoot you between your eyes.  Don't you think my statement to be sort of self serving?



Well, this certainly takes this to a new level of... ~shrugs~ something. I'm sure there is a word, but damned if I know what it is right now. You've left me gasping for "logical air," and there is none in the room. Owner59, you're taking notes, right?

> The chimp is not caricatured or labeled as an African-American.

> The chimp is not caricatured or labeled as President Obama.

> The cartoon is based on a current event where police killed a chimp.

> The cartoon borrows from a cultural metaphor (that I got) of what monkeys could do with typewriters.

> The cartoon refers to the Democrat Stimulus Package as if the chimp had written it, but represents no one individual. Since in real life only one monkey was shot, only one monkey was used in the political cartoon.

> People with an agenda, or a sensitivity, or both, to racial stereotypes of apes/monkeys being used to caricature people of color, took offense.

> The NYP stated that they are mistaken, and apologized to almost all of the people who demonstrated that they took offense. The only people not apologized to are people, such as Rev. Al Sharpton, who are trying to make social, racial, and political hay out of this.

> Most people who took offense, are not accepting the apology. They have that right.

So, your "analogy" does not fit. I think your post is self-serving.

Go ahead. Be offended. But take responsibility for taking offense. It is your world view, experiences or expectations, that lead you to make the assumption that you did. Take responsibility for then attempting to impose your sensibilities where they were not intended.

As I said before, let us hope and pray for a day when a similar cartoon only offends PETA and the SPCA.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/24/2009 7:48:58 PM   
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/02182009/news/regionalnews/taleses_novel_pitch_for_poor_155714.htm

He's handing out signs to the homeless and needy that, referring to the stimulus, urge East Siders to share their wealth. The signs, taped to cardboard shirt boards (from Talese's laundered shirts) read, "Please support Pres. Obama's Stimulus Plan. Begin right here . . ."


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This is usually the time that I get myself moderated... It is when I have discovered that I am dealing with someone that is unable to read, or is incapable of digesting in a sane manner that which they have read or written.

I can see I am now going to have to walk Mastershake69 through this....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02182009/news/regionalnews/taleses_novel_pitch_for_poor_155714.htm
Legendary author Gay Talese has begun his own campaign to help the poor benefit from President Obama's stimulus plan.
---
This is not a quote from Talese...It is a quote from the Post...If you would have taken the time to read it ...You possibly might have been able to decipher this fact.  Possibly.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132009/business/caterpillar_blow_for_o_154994.htm

EAST PEORIA, Ill. - President Obama's stimulus plan may be good for Caterpillar, but its chief executive says the company will probably lay off more staff before it rehires any of the more than 22,000 employees it already plans to cut.

-----

This is not some quote from a Cat executive....What would even allow you to make such a ridiculous observation?  it is the Post referring to the stimulus plan as Obamas'.

 
 
So please quit flopping on the ground as if you are suffering from some horrid brain injury....If you are, my apologies.
 
This should be a reminder to all, when it comes to dealing  with such individuals....Someone who is clearly incapable of following an argument.  Will take any path to escape his own words as well as to obfuscate any rational discussion.  I tire of you.  You are not worthy of my time.  You should stick to watching star trek.


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