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another subspace question - 2/19/2009 2:55:06 AM

InTonguesslave

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not wanting to hijack the other threads, but i have another question, prompted by (i cant remember who it was - sorry) the mention that pain doesnt register as pain but as pleasure with one particular impliment and thats where they can float off and enjoy themselves (i think that was the gist anyway).. so, anyway, question.

do you have to be a full on masso who translates pain as pleasure before you head off to subspace.

for me pain registers as pain and ive never floated off to subspace yet, so im just wondering if its necessary to translate pain as pleasurable in order to get there or if its all down to endorphins kicking in and taking you away. to be honest, whenever i have done pain play, as much as it translates as pain i kinda 'love/hate' it and so ive never particularly wanted to space out.

-but then ive never been in a relationship with a full on sadist before so the only major pain ive ever gone through was during discipline/punishment situations and obviously being allowed to float off and enjoy myself wasnt on the agenda. pain play has always been a bit fluffy (to use an SM word) - so ive never been in a situation where i was being given the chance to discover subspace - so im just wondering, is subspace for massos or can anyone join in.

Sir is a sadist, so i kinda need to know

.. thanks. x

oh and is there a technique for getting there.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 4:42:24 AM

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Pain has never sent me to subspace. Words, however, have done so.

However, many do hit subspace as a result of endorphines.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 5:09:22 AM

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I have never experienced subspace. I am not a masochist. My Master is a sadist. He loves that I experience the pain as pain and isn't at all interested in a partner who floats, flies, or otherwise is "out there" somewhere.

The problem I have with most discussions about subspace is that it tends to be viewed as a goal everyone would want to attain or a measure of how much better one is for being able to achieve it.

I have learned that my body simply does not produce endorphins in response to pain, or I do produce them, my brain receives the signal differently than other people. Since the only definitive test for levels of any neurotransmitter is autopsy, I will just accept as fact that I will never experience subspace. And I will accept as fact that my Master adores me in part for being the way I am.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 5:40:03 AM

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I can reach subspace with or without the application of pain. When I reach it without the application of pain it has been about having the right state of mind, Master (or previous Dominants) saying the right words, and having various pleasurable sensations that in some form or combination sent me to subspace. It isn't always exactly the same but each subspace experience is different.

One thing that I would also re-emphasize is that subspace is not the end all be all goal of a submissive. Yes it is pleasurable but as long as long as the experience was rewarding for both you and your dominant and both of Y/you enjoyed Y/yourselves then that is really what matters. Not everyone reaches subspace and even those that do don't always reach it every time.

The only "exercises" that I can recommend are ones to clear your mind and regulate your breathing. I know that if I am thinking about 10 different things it impedes the process. I try to mentally clear my head of all thoughts and feelings that don't relate to what is happening and then just relax and enjoy. This technique is what works for me and others might find that something else works for them.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 5:49:58 AM

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subspace happens and some people even get sort of addicted to it. It is, at its chemical base (as i understand it and please people correct me if i am wrong here) a balance between endorphin and adrenaline that makes your mind go sideways.

so called subspace is also what people try to and achieve with various forms of meditation including yoga and deep cleaning the house. It is that mental state when stuff happens in your head, thoughts is not really the right word, and time happens around your body, but you are there aware but not attached to how you feel about being there.

Ok time for more coffee or i might get all nice and giving and stuff again.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 7:29:24 AM

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Well, if pain doesn't get you off, perhaps you could think of it this way: often it's not the pain per se, but the knowledge that you are in a spot where someone can do those things to you. It's the inner proof that you have submitted, that your Master or Mistress has taken control and is vividly, physically and forcefully demonstrating that control to you. And will keep on doing it until they want to stop, not when you want them to stop.

Perhaps translating that pain you are feeling into a reflection of whatever else it is that does put you into subspace will work.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 7:51:26 AM

InTonguesslave

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walterego hi, yep thats where it works for me and actually cos im not a masso i need Sir to be a sadist for me to submit to sadism or it just wouldnt feel real.

soooo, and here i was thinking i was missing out on some whoopie doo yippie hippie trip - ill just keep popping the magic mushrooms then -

and hey fey - take it easy, deep breaths - theres no pressure to be nice anymore for a time - and i do appreciate the sacrifice it takes, i really do

eyesopened, so im like you, thats fine, nice to know im in good company and that we're not alone in not getting there and peppermint thanks, it reassures me that pain doesnt have to be the vehicle to get me there if the pain is too much to find a space in my head that isnt going 'shit, damn, bugger, stop already!!'

keiko, thanks, i suppose i was kinda thinking it was a goal to reach.

xx

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 8:04:38 AM

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Hey thanks for caring that i too am having real world stuff to stress about, but yanno caring for one or for many, it is all good. I don't actually want to be a bitch and take out my fear and desperation on strangers that are looking for kindness or input. Heck i have an email box full of subs that would LOVE for me to work off some of my angst on them. And i have a fresh bag of Sumata and a french press to get ME in the right head space.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 8:14:06 AM

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I do not process most pain as pleasure there are a few kinds that i do if i am in the right headspace. Pain does not however send me into subspace. Masters touch, his tone of voice andt he unbelievable amount of pleasure he give me does it. Not all the time but some of the time.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 3:02:01 PM

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Certain types of pain can put me into subspace, certain types of pain keeps me out of subspace. MasterK asking for verbal responses to questions makes me concentrate on the here and now, keeping me out of subspace. Bondage will put me into subspace, him placing the play collar will occasionally put me there as well.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 5:48:43 PM

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My Sir is definitely a sadist. And he can put me in subspace with pain - from caning. Specifically thick canes, causing thuddy pain.
When i first met my Sir, i didn't hit subspace. It took me several months of play for me to relax enough into what we were doing to hit subspace. And it took me going past "ouch, shit, crap, that hurt, damn it" to get to "oh, that feels good!", and "oh, off i go".

I still don't consider myself a masochist - i just happen to live with a sadist. And i enjoy some of what we do. Definitely not all of it. Some of it is just painful and no-one is enjoying it but my Sir. And that is enough. But when he pulls out the thick cane i know it is for me as well as him, and love it - once i get past the "shitdamnmotherfucker" thing.

I have never got anywhere near subspace from anything but caning - and envy those who can do it without pain.

oh - and yes, i certainly register pain as pain. It isn't pleasurable until i hit subspace. Subspace makes the pain pleasurable.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 6:01:52 PM

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yes you can feel subspace without the application of pain. in fact the subspace is easier to get to when you are in a proper mindset.subspace is like a state of meditation where outside disruptions are ignored or at least not noticed. for me i find focusing on the play time scene and breathing slow and even helps. i have gone to space from the sounds made by my M'Lady during play and for needles the first time. each person feels the sensation differently so each one will have to find their way.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 6:48:14 PM

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I don't know, but I have reached subspace by other means than pain but sometimes with pain, but not because of pain.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 6:58:56 PM

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quote:

oh and is there a technique for getting there.

Here is how I ‘learned’ to reach subspace. Keep in mind that I am a masochist, but in the beginning I wasn’t always able to take a great deal of pain.
Practice meditation. I would set a timer or my alarm clock for 20 minutes. I would get in a comfy position and close my eyes. I did slow deep breathing and repeated a word (not out loud, just mentally). I chose a neutral word, ‘one’. I would keep doing this and let my thoughts go where ever they wanted, but didn’t focus on any one thing. I would begin to feel relaxed and would continue until the timer went off. It only took a few days before I was dropping easily into a trance. The timer would ding and I would be amazed because I had no sense of time. I could have sworn it had been less than 10 minutes!
Then, once I had that down, I would do the same at the beginning of a pain play session (except I wasn’t often in a comfy position, heh!) I would do the breathing and mentally chant ‘one, one, etc.) Pretty soon I was able to reach that trance state sooner rather than later.
Then I discovered that if I didn’t tense my muscles when the blows landed, I could go even deeper.
I can now dive into subspace before he puts me in whatever position, or before he is done locking me in the restraints.
It took time and practice, but once I ‘got’ it, it became second nature, I don’t have to think about it anymore.
Hope this helps!

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 7:13:31 PM

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I don't float from pain. I do it from sens dep. Bondage, gags, blindfolds and a light blanket so I don't get cold and I will float happily. Cold chain prevents that even if the rest is there.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 7:18:13 PM

catize

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I don't float from pain. I do it from sens dep. Bondage, gags, blindfolds and a light blanket so I don't get cold and I will float happily. Cold chain prevents that even if the rest is there.

There are lots of things that get me there, like bondage,etc. And yeah! Anything cold yanks me right back to reality!

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 8:57:40 PM

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I'm not really a masochist...ok, SOME may disagree with that but anywho....

I can get into subspace from some pain but not all pain. There are certain levels where it just friggin hurts but bondage and sensory deprivation will send me there each and every time.

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RE: another subspace question - 2/19/2009 11:11:43 PM

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I'm not a masochist in the sense of getting pleasure from pain. Getting whacked hurts! But...I do experience what must be an endorphin rush from it. It's sort of like "ow!"...then "oooooo". I'm not all that experienced, but I've always been able to attain subspace quite easily.

So to answer your question, no, I don't believe you have to be a masochist to experience subspace. Personally (and I know everyone is different), I find just being in the moment and completely letting myself go makes it attainable.

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