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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 12:26:30 PM

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Well I don’t plan on using my 401 K for at least another 30 years. So a momentary downturn is nothing for me to get scared about. If you have cash this is a time to buy. Stocks are the one thing people refuse to buy when its going down in price.

No, you don't, but let's imagine what many conservatives hope for, a privatized Social Security.

Suppose that were in place now. Let's also suppose you were retiring this year.

How does that momentary downturn look now?

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 12:43:39 PM

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Now I would have had no problem if they attacked him on his policies, but his policies were working so they were left to dig up EVERY SINGLE bit of his entire life history and most prominently his personal life.

Sorry, but that type of sleazy politics is all on the Republican side.

Yeah, that's as bad as making issue of a candidate's pregnant teenage daughter, or how much her outfit cost.

Oh, wait, that was from the Democratic side wasn't it?

Yes it was, but let me point out the differences.

When you have a candidate who runs on a platform supporting abstinence-only sex education, who denounces the use of contraceptives, who believes that teaching children about sex promotes them to have sex, and then her own daughter gets pregnant then I think that is a legitimate campaign issue.

Another legitimate campaign issue is when a candidate runs around the country decrying the opposing party's extravagant spending plans while treating herself to a new $150,000 wardrobe courtesy of donors to the Republican campaign. Something I would be kind of pissed about if I donated to that campaign.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 1:17:51 PM

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4% wouldnt have hurt anybody even if it went to zero.

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Well I don’t plan on using my 401 K for at least another 30 years. So a momentary downturn is nothing for me to get scared about. If you have cash this is a time to buy. Stocks are the one thing people refuse to buy when its going down in price.

No, you don't, but let's imagine what many conservatives hope for, a privatized Social Security.

Suppose that were in place now. Let's also suppose you were retiring this year.

How does that momentary downturn look now?

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 1:28:38 PM

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In the 21st century where kids know how to get the latest illegal download and information is everywhere that they don’t know about contraceptives?

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Now I would have had no problem if they attacked him on his policies, but his policies were working so they were left to dig up EVERY SINGLE bit of his entire life history and most prominently his personal life.

Sorry, but that type of sleazy politics is all on the Republican side.

Yeah, that's as bad as making issue of a candidate's pregnant teenage daughter, or how much her outfit cost.

Oh, wait, that was from the Democratic side wasn't it?

Yes it was, but let me point out the differences.

When you have a candidate who runs on a platform supporting abstinence-only sex education, who denounces the use of contraceptives, who believes that teaching children about sex promotes them to have sex, and then her own daughter gets pregnant then I think that is a legitimate campaign issue.

Another legitimate campaign issue is when a candidate runs around the country decrying the opposing party's extravagant spending plans while treating herself to a new $150,000 wardrobe courtesy of donors to the Republican campaign. Something I would be kind of pissed about if I donated to that campaign.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 2:03:12 PM

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4% wouldnt have hurt anybody even if it went to zero.

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Well I don’t plan on using my 401 K for at least another 30 years. So a momentary downturn is nothing for me to get scared about. If you have cash this is a time to buy. Stocks are the one thing people refuse to buy when its going down in price.

No, you don't, but let's imagine what many conservatives hope for, a privatized Social Security.

Suppose that were in place now. Let's also suppose you were retiring this year.

How does that momentary downturn look now?

4% of payroll not 4% of FICA. Therefore 30% approx of the SS funds and that would have hurt everybody.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 2:58:07 PM

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Yes they are, but to be more accurate you should say that the Reps and The Dems both are playing tit for tat. What is worse, there are many people who support the hypocricy of tit for tat, you can see it in some current topics here in these forums.

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Republicans studied what democrats did to them for the past 8 years and are now mimicking them. Just showing how early the attacks were by the left against Bush. That’s why it’s occurring now against Obama. History repeats itself just the participant’s change in their roles they play.

So Republicans are actually playing a childish tit-for-tat game?

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 3:14:52 PM

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In the 21st century where kids know how to get the latest illegal download and information is everywhere that they don’t know about contraceptives?

So, what exactly are you saying here?

It's best just best to tell them to "just say no" and let them learn everything else online?

Didn't quite work out too well in Sarah's case.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 4:06:07 PM

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Hello Kaine D,

What I noticed in watching both the Democratic and the Republican Conventions was the vast disparity in the audience. Granted since the Republican Convention happened during a hurricane the attendance was much lower. But most of the people there were older, white and veterans. Missing was a mix of ages, ethnic backgrounds and socio-economic levels in the speakers and in the audience. And several of the speeches were heavy on war rhetoric and lousy on the economy and other real life issues for Americans.

The Democratic Convention by contrast had numerous young people, women, people of all backgrounds and the speeches were much more inclusive rather than exclusionary. The speakers were talking about issues that affect the lives of all Americans; economy, education, health care, and the environment. The one point of improvement that I would like to see is more military veterans honored at that convention.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 4:10:32 PM

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I think there is a lot of change needed in both parties, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

I am curious as to why you would be listening to Rush. You obviously don't like the man, so why waste your time?

He`s the leader of the neo-con party and the main disseminater and source of most of the wacky things conservative say (here and in the real world).

We ignore him and his malfeasants at our peril.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 4:55:16 PM

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We warn teenagers against drinking and driving with groups like sadd/madd however kids still do it and end up dead.
Some teenagers need the thrill of risky behavior. Bristol knew all about contraception and abstinence. She believes abstinence isn’t realistic on a tv interview. Now why she didnt use contraception was a topic she resfused to answer. I believe its the need to have the thrill of risky behavior. Or maybe things got hot and heavy fast and her Bf said dont worry ill pullout in time and she believed him ;)

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In the 21st century where kids know how to get the latest illegal download and information is everywhere that they don’t know about contraceptives?

So, what exactly are you saying here?

It's best just best to tell them to "just say no" and let them learn everything else online?

Didn't quite work out too well in Sarah's case.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 5:39:23 PM

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Let's see... how did the bumper stickers put it? "When Bill lied, no one died."

Still seems pretty on target to me.

Bill Clinton lies (after being backing into a corner) about a sexual act between two consenting adults. Number of deaths = 0

George W. Bush lies in the state of the union about Iraq buying yellowcake plutonium from Niger. He pushes the country toward a pre-emptive war against a soverign state that had NOTHING to do with the 9-11 attacks. Current damage = 4,300+ American forces dead, 250,000+ Iraqi civilians dead. 6,000,000+ Iraqi citizens displaced from their homes. The country's infrastructure destroyed, the US now almost a full TRILLION dollars more in the hole. Bush uses the war as an excuse to rape our civil rights, to gut the US justice system, and to shovel the treasury of the US into Halliburton's coffers.

Yeah. That blowjob really holds up against that kind of fucking evil.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 5:42:38 PM

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 6:45:16 PM

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Voices of the liberal "elite". Voice raised so "full of sound and fury; signifying NOTHING!
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Republicans also need to accept the mistakes of the past, instead of being apologists for Bush and salvage the Bush administrations place in history. Bush failed. Accept it, learn from it.
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Too funny. Never do the liberals post any facts...but they do love to post "Links" to liberal blogs that print the words they think they would have said, if only they had "said it first, and said it before anyone else, might have thought of saying it, did say it but no one heard,..well said"!
I love to hear liberals so "Full of sound and fury; signifying nothing.” One chap sees himself as an economic and stock market wizard, and all "neocons"..having no clue about business and the markets. Would love to debate the financial markets with a genius like this sometime. I have so much to learn.

And they say conservatives talk from reading "bumper stickers".

And, yes, Obama is repeating exactly the same stupidity of FDR. Maybe Baracks lack of understanding of foreign affairs, among many other topics, will get us into WW3 and save the day...We can go full cycle with the democrat party, from the "New Deal"..to the "Last Deal".

The liberal "elite"...at least "elite" in their opinon, don't understand business and "job" creation. A government enterprise only creates temporary "work. It does not create a profit...and all this "shovel ready" pork in the spending legislation is just that..."temporary work" with employment done and workers laid off after the building, bridge or toll road is finished and the plaque naming it after Barack Obama is screwed into place. No matter that over three hundred milion Americans were "screwed" to pay for that shiny new plaque. This inexperienced President full of years of studying Sol Olinsky radical leftist ideology does not want to see Truth...Government does not create profit and, guess what, big government lives on the taxable earnings, blood of profitable business, and of our society. In those hard days of the depression under FDR, the unemployment rate never went below 14%, and some would argue that it would have been much higher if you did not count "government employees" in a bloated government! Barack is doing the same slimy trick. Most politicans talk about creating jobs....We see people on both sides of the aisle from Presidents to mayors of small towns in Alaska take credit during better economic times for "jobs created"..This is the first time in my memory that our "Dear Leader" talks about "creating or SAVING" 3,4 5, 10..million jobs..I don't know the number anymore..he changes it daily. Those "saved" jobs..yep...muncipal government jobs SAVED with our tax dollars while struggling businesses have to lay people off. Governemt operates in a different reality...or rather, a fantasy!

Theatrics are fun but ususally from either a two year old or someone who has no clue...drama is always boring. Combining both..is just a waste of a readers precious time.

“We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.” .no, I didn't say that, Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury said those words May 9, 1939, appearing before powerful Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee!
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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 6:51:27 PM

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“We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.” .no, I didn't say that, Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury said those words May 9, 1939, appearing before powerful Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee!

And more of the quote btw is -

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started -- and an enormous debt to boot."

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 7:20:17 PM

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“We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.” .no, I didn't say that, Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury said those words May 9, 1939, appearing before powerful Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee!

And more of the quote btw is -

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started -- and an enormous debt to boot."

Yep...he was an extremely bright, honest man, that Mr. Morgenthau. The enormous debt that they had accumulated by the end of 1938 was less than $2 billion!. And back than, economists of the day were saying that it appeared that virtually all the increase of outstanding national debt since 1930 had been absorbed by the credit institutions of the country. Into these institutions have gone most of the individual savings accumulated through the rising incomes between 1933 and 1937 rather than into the normal forms of new houses and new corporate stocks and bonds. So it may be said that the national debt has been the main channel for the flow of savings during these years. Their most prescient comments and so relevant today was "Hence it is possible that the expansion of Government debt may be preventing private investment from taking other forms, and thus be perpetuating the very emergency it is intended to cure." If only Mr. Obama would stop reading Lincoln and read more of the depression days of 70 years ago! How does that old saying go..words to the effect.."Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them". Seems to me that we have been there, done this before...and all they did in the White House was dust off the New Deal playbook.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 7:38:22 PM

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I don`t think America is interested in your "let the economy completely fail before we act" plan.

Here is a great example of why the GOP must lose the losers like Rush,Sarah and this clown.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 7:39:32 PM

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Does the Repulican party need to change?

Is the sky blue?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Holy rhetorical question batman.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 7:43:30 PM

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how true u r ven

did u notice that obama missed only one of the presidential balls and guess which one it was

it was the one celebrating the military medal of honor and specifically them and was not bunched in with another ball

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_snub_medal_of_honor_recipients.html

even tho the american legion does not feel snubbed i still think he should have gone to it

Josh Earnest of the Presidential Inaugural Committee. He told us that the president only attended the 10 official balls organized by the PIC. (The Salute to Heroes is organized by the American Legion and is unofficial.) But, Earnest told us, "in order to show due respect to the Medal of Honor winners, they were special guests at the Commander in Chief's ball," which the president attended early in the evening

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 8:23:09 PM

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I think I put it this way during the campaign. Both parties have things about them that piss me off, but right now the Republicans are REALLY pissing me off! Here's how I think BOTH parties need to change.

Republicans-
1-They need to be realistic about the ecology and the environment. They need to stop treating ecological issues like an us vs. them sounding board and realize that we MUST be responsible to the world we inhabit and it is not prudent nor right to squander the earths resources.
2-They need to let go of the "christian" conservative ideology that guides their policies on life issues like abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage etc....
3-They need to quit being holier than thou in the way they deal with foreign nations and other cultures. They need to learn to respect other ways of life. (I think this has a lot to do with the "Christian" conservative aspect of the party) They need to stop trying to bully other nations into being "little americas".
4-They need to be more imaginative and forward thinking and learn to bend and change with changing times.
5-They need to realize that the great Capitalism experiment has failed miserably and that sound fiscal policy requires BALANCE in regulation, NOT NO regulation.
6-They need to stop trying to marshal support through the use of hate mongering and fear. It's disgusting.

Democrats need to change in the following ways
1- They need to stop trying to SAVE everyone and everything. It's impossible. Some people need to learn to save themselves.
2-They need to quit babying people and trying to be everyone's Mommy. People need to grow the F@&* UP!
3-They need to quit being so idealistic. Sometimes you have to say NO to people.
4-They need to quit buying support from free loaders by promising a FREE lunch.
hmmmm now that I think of it, those are all kind of the same thing. But, it is the WORST thing about the Democratic party.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/20/2009 8:31:07 PM

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Only one party in US history has ever attempted to use impeachment as the tool for a coup d'etat, twice. That party needs to go away. A real conservative party committed to the ideals of the republic needs to emerge.

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