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Termyn8or -> ID please ! (2/20/2009 7:51:33 PM)

Spawned from the video game thread, it comes back. We are talking personal experience here and I am sure it can be confirmed quite easily. However I will first put forth my opinion.

It looks as though "they" want to make it so you need a picture ID to do almost anything. In other words what they attempted to legislate is being attempted by business.

This is shades of Revelations, perhaps that special card that can only be issued by a governmental agency. Perhaps they see themselves as God (or the other guy ?).

I went and screwed up my driver's license, OK, nobody's fault but mine but for a time no picture ID. Now I do not look young by any stretch, but to go to the Grid-N-Orbit you need ID no matter if you have grey hair and a big bread. EVERYONE must show. I did take a look around and I don't see how any cameras could've picked anything up off the ID I borrowed. What's more they knew it wasn't me. So there is none of this "If something happens later we know who you are", they were just being careful due to the legal climate these days. (created by whom ? )

Then sans ID I want to pick up a black ink cartridge at IIRC Office Max. Twelve bucks. Now I can get on the internet and buy guns and rob your little store if I want, I could, and have bought an entire new PC (for someone else, I still need one) without an ID. If I had stolen this card, don't you think I would have a shopping cart with all of your most expensive stuff ? I was being facetious, but I told them "I can go on the internet and buy missiles but I need ID for a twelve buck purchase ? ".

One time for gasoline, and it was already pumped ! Luckily I had the cash.

What I am saying is that these examples illustrate that security is not the reason for this. What's more, sometimes I send people with my card to the store for like beer and smokes. I like being able to do that. The only people who get my card are among the most trusted inner circle, but rather than put my shoes on and all this, they are willing and they want something from the store too, why shouldn't I be able to do that ?

Actually I do with certain stores where know me, if someone wanted to rip me off all they would have to do is to also buy some of my brand of beer and cagarettes and they could buy out the whole place I think. But it does not happen because I place my trust carefully.

That should be my perogative.

Information is valuable, and I think if this is not an attempt to eventually put in place a method of collecting further information, it is an attempt to prepare the population for such things.

Call it a conspiracy theory if you wish, but time and time again it is proven; offhandedly dismissing the possibility of ulterior motives is not sound thinking.

If it is, explain to me why there are rebates on purchases. You jump through their hoops until you finally get the check after they collect enough interest I know, but why do they need an email address ? Why do they need a phone number ? Just send me the check, or better yet don't inflate the price in the first place and then induce me to give up all this valuable information.

That PC I bought was well over a grand, and the rebates added up to a few hundred, around four hundred. Think I'd pass that up ? I will not deal with that place anymore as they have been spamming me for years after the sale.

If you have health insurance, your medical records are not quite as private as they used to be. Note pre-existing condition clauses if you need proof. If you have car insurance, your driving record is no longer private, the only way to keep it between you and the state is to be self insured. There is an advantage to this, your rates never go up. You post the cash bond and that's it, as long as you satisfy any and all valid legal claims, nobody can find out your record. It never gets to Choicepoint or their ilk. In other words, when you are covered, the state will send the info to the insurance co., via Choicepoint they share information. It was explained to me by an insurance Man, that's why insurance is and always has been very expensive if you haven't had it in a while. They do not have access to the DMV records. You may have run a big wheeled monster truck through a gas station last week, killed forty people and they would have no idea.

This may have changed recently, but I doubt it because Choicepoint is still in business as well as some newer comers in the industry. This is prima facie evidence that information is valuable.

So your take on all this ?

T




aravain -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 8:02:19 PM)

~FR~

I have written on all of my cards 'Check ID' instead of a signature.

It's only happened once.




Termyn8or -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 8:34:20 PM)

aravain, that is your choice, but not mine. I know someone who does that, and said the same thing. They still don't check. They only check if it is store policy due to a discounted rate from the bank for every transaction.

So the net result is I got a twenty thousand dollar note and if someone steals my change I am screwed. Of course if you lose the card and they don't "check ID" you are just as screwed. So the net result is the same. Make sure you know where your cards are, just like cash.

Whether you like it or not, writing that on the back of the card gave you a false sense of security. For a time anyway. How did it feel to have it stripped away ? I mean that. It is a definite false sense of security. Gimme the numbers, I know a vacant house to have all kinds of stuff shipped to. Put in your order of course, all the things within the limit of the card which you do not want to pay for. It is an easy matter to leave the bank on the hook for all of it, but you might be jammed up for a short time. Let's make a deal.

I really do not want to do anything of the sort, but be it known that it is possible. Treat those cards like cash and you generally won't have problems.

I'm somehow reminded of "Stupid Criminals", I saw where a guy used a stolen credit card to stock up on a whole bunch of stuff, IIRC from a grocery store. The store issued these discount cards and after swiping the stolen CC he used his discount card. How kind LOL. That did get him busted though, and I might add IIRC it was the ONLY thing that got him busted.

At any rate, to coin a euphenism or whatever (not sure of the word), I say this. I carry my wallet in my front pocket, not the back.

T




aravain -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 9:09:45 PM)

It's not false security.

It means that I can (literally) sue every business that charges the card if/when it's stolen or otherwise not used by me for any costs or such that are incurred by someone stealing the card.

I treat them more sacrosanct than cash, though [:D] I rarely carry cash, and one of the two cards that I have (the actual credit card) I don't even take out of my room. Actually, it's back *HOME* right now (that's how often I use it). My debit card I always keep in my wallet in my front, right pocket, unless I'm going somewhere I don't want to carry plastic. In which case I just leave it at home. (Plus, that's actually a valid phrase I've heard before)




Termyn8or -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 9:29:16 PM)

They still didn't check a bunch of times right ? Or did I misread that "It's only happened once" ? .

T

Edited to add something you might find almost amusing. This because I am in feeling good tonight, I have everything I need and just got some downloads for which I have waited for a long time to acquire.

LOL, you weren't specific enough, you need to write all this :

CHECK ID and

DO NOT HONOR THIS CARD IF MY ID IS NOT PRESENTED and

BY ME

I mean some people just need to be told everything.

T




UncleNasty -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 9:41:41 PM)

Who in their right mind gives their real name and address for a grocery discount card?

Uncle Nasty




Aylee -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 9:42:27 PM)

The reason that the store would be liable in that case Aravain, is because it says right on the card, not valid unless signed.  They actually are not suppose to take your card at all with the "Check ID" written there. 




Termyn8or -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 9:44:27 PM)

Obviously someone, I think their name is 013673282 or something like that and their address is some prison. That's how I heard about it, something about dumb criminals.

T




aravain -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 9:56:28 PM)

Mine doesn't...

it says 'Must present ID if not signed'

o.O




NYLass -> RE: ID please ! (2/20/2009 11:22:41 PM)

FR- The bank I work in, we won't give a cash advance if the card isn't signed.  Now, if it's a customer of the bank, we'll use their account number and state issued identification and advise the customer to sign their card as well as put "check ID".

And in the US, every state (& DC)  has ID cards for those who don't have licenses.  We have ID verification guides from AAA that show us what they look like.    We want every teller to get in the habit of checking and listing the type of ID used, even from daily customers,  just as preventative measures.  




came4U -> RE: ID please ! (2/21/2009 4:42:31 AM)

Katherine Albrecht discusses purpose of any registering in grocery cards, hidden chips woven into clothes, RFID on ID.  Very interesting.  If you pay by credit card, any chip or registration is linked to the object you bought.  They know who you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Maj1I6kH0




Vendaval -> RE: ID please ! (2/21/2009 1:29:18 PM)

The theoretical ideals of the privacy of medical records and the way these files are often maintained is very far apart.


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
If you have health insurance, your medical records are not quite as private as they used to be. Note pre-existing condition clauses if you need proof.




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