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Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a sur... - 2/21/2009 9:37:59 PM   
corysub


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Status: offline 		It seems that woman are from venus and men from mars...and we also confess to those seven deadly sins in a different order between the sexes.  The number one confessed sin of a woman according to this survey is "pride"...the number one confessed sin among men...a shocker...urge for sex!  Got me to thinking about my last confession...well..not really..

                               http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7897034.stm


Young Jimmy goes into the confessional and the teen tells Fr. Flannery that he has to confess that he kissed a girl very passionately in the cloakroom.  The good father asked him.."tell me lad, was it Mary... "no father he replied..."was it Elizabeth"..again Jimmy said, no Father...the good priest tried one more time..."tell me James..was it Ruth?"  No father, the boy said...and the priest gave him absolution.

Running out of the church young Jimmy ran into his friend Frank...Frank knew about the 'kissing" and asked if the priest had given Jim a big penance to do..."No, replied the boy, but I got three great leads!"         
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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 4:11:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Confession is the main problem with Catholicism it gives the impression a sin can be forgiven if you confess to it. A curious tradition.
 
Out of interest what is the penance for murder, you have to feel for the father in the box on the receiving end of that confession, what to say?


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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 4:19:51 AM   
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Lust - check
Gluttony - check
Greed - check
Sloth - check
Wrath - check
Envy - check
Pride - check

I'm so going straight to hell

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 4:20:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		 Yeah, being a priest in a confessional must be murder. 

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 4:29:59 AM   
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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 4:45:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I left catholicism because of all that confessional bullshit, I just could not understand why someone is allowed to do something, confess it and receive a penance, a few hail mary's and one was absolved in the eyes of god. To me, not good enough, as it was giving license to do wrong, a case of here is the rules, we know you can't keep them, but as long as you confess it will be ok. My personal take on it is, here are the rules, don't break them.

Sin, what is sin, is being a natural human sinful.


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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 4:50:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unless Mary is a taxicab I wouldn't know where to begin with that penance anyway.

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 6:40:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

Hmmmmmm
Lust - check
Gluttony - check
Greed - check
Sloth - check
Wrath - check
Envy - check
Pride - check

I'm so going straight to hell



I'll keep you company there. 


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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 6:43:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Sin, what is sin, is being a natural human sinful?



http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sin#Etymology

Etymology
Old English synn. The same root appears in several other Germanic languages, e.g., Old Norse synd, German Sünde. The word may derive, ultimately, from Indo-European root *es- (“‘to be’”). Latin also has an old present participle of esse in the word sons, sont- (“‘guilty’”). The root meaning would appear to be, "it is true;" that is, "the charge has been proven." The Greek word ἁμαρτία (hamartia), “‘to miss the mark, to miss the target’”) is often translated as “sin” in the New Testament.

Noun
sin (plural sins)
  1. (theology) A violation of a moral or religious law; an error.
  2. A misdeed.

  According to the books from which the most popular conceptions of sin are attributed, all sins can be forgiven except one, denying that love exists, which sin, in turn, could be translated into believing that one human being can be more valuable than another, when the reality is we all are equally responsible for a physical body that will someday be turned into dust.

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 6:45:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

Hmmmmmm
Lust - check
Gluttony - check
Greed - check
Sloth - check
Wrath - check
Envy - check
Pride - check

I'm so going straight to hell



Well, just remember the old Russian proverb...."You go to heaven for the weather and hell for the company"


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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 7:00:19 AM   
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Etymology
Old English lufu (noun), lufian (verb), from Proto-Germanic *lubo, from Proto-Indo-European *leubh-.

Lufu
Etymology
From Germanic *lubo, from Indo-European *leubh-. Cognate with Old Frisian luve, Old High German luba, Gothic (𐌱𐍂𐍉𐌸𐍂𐌿) 𐌻𐌿𐌱𐍉 ‘(brotherly) love’.
Noun
lufu strong f (acc sg lufe or lufan)
  1. love

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 7:02:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think we sin in different ways, I think our perceptions if the sins are different.

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 7:13:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since I believe organized religioun is one of today's greatest "sins"........I am not at all worried about my life and how I conduct it.

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 7:17:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I'll keep you company there. 


YAY!!!

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Well, just remember the old Russian proverb...."You go to heaven for the weather and hell for the company"



you know..I've actually never heard of that one! But I sure do like it I'd actually choose company to weather.
Besides..I've always wanted to work on my tan

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 7:46:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah... another fine example of terrible Western journalism doing what it does best: spreading propaganda and intrigue.

The catechism of the Catholic Church is thick book and arguably one of the most mature, advanced, ethical tomes ever put out in the Western world (or world for that matter). And the catechism must be taken as a united whole as the catechism itself states. But the journalism in this piece operates off of the supposition that most its readership is both intellectually slothful and ignorant of catholicity.

I don't particularly agree with everything in Buddhist doctrine or Islamic doctrine or a many a doctrines on earth. However, I would find it rather obnoxious and wrongly directed to insinuate falsehoods, spread misinterpretations, by reducing hundreds - and thousands with footnotes and other addendum - of its teachings to a line or two.

The article does not find it necessary to distinguish venial sin from mortal sin nor does it take the time to explain what sin is (but them that would take several pages). And what are referred to as "capital sins" in Latin Catholicism (the true title of that Rite of the Church by the way and not "Roman Catholicism" which originated and continues as an attack of historical and sociological truth to perpetuate myth and disiniformation originating during the era of Protestant (meaning "Protester") Reformation) do not entire operate independently of one another. Human motivations and the weaving of our lives are to complex for that.

I don't know where in the catechism the article is quoting but under the section for sin and mortal sin the cathechism - copyrighted 1994 - does not state a soul descends immediately into hell if the person dies of human life in a state of mortal sin. What qualifies as mortal sin anyways is not easily determinable given that to many variables necessitate level of culpability. But then the article, fine journalism as it is [sarcasim], cannot be bothered to mention that.

Here's an interesting one liner (just as the article used a one liner) in the catechism regarding capital sins (which produce moratl sin) that the catechism seems to insinuate are matters of mortal sin, but the article conviently leaves out .
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The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are "sins that cry to heaven"... the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan, injustice to the wage earner.


(blue highlight mine)

In fact other than socialists, I know of no other institution on earth that has been so historically well tied to organized labor than the Catholic Church. But then this relates to its body of ethical teachings originating in the 1800's called its Social Justice Teachings. Something admittedly, most Catholics are incredibly ignorant of, and those outside the Church even more so. Some of these things tie into issues of mortal sin as does chosen political sides on policies of landmines and nuclear weapons.

But for the individual Catholic, devoid of much social or political power, the issue of the sacrament of confession still comes into play for that persons spiritual life - assuming they are practicing Catholics - because of the matter of daily liturgical life. But then one needs to know what "liturgy" or "liturgical life" and what the concept of "sacrament" is.

Unkown to most people, they follow the calendar given to them by the Catholic Church. The Gregorian calendar (named after Pope Gregory the Great) replaced the old Roman Julian calendar long ago. The secular world has stripped all the feast days off the Gregorian calender but for Valentines Day, Christmas, and Easter which they have duly turned into secularized festivels. However, Catholic liturgical life incorporates religion of catholicity into every day of the calendar year. One worships in this regard, with the cosmos.

How this has bearing on mortal sin for the practicing Catholic is (of course depends on the intent and will of the individual be they Priest or laity) that within the Latin Rite of Catholicism (aka "Roman Catholicism") Mass is generally held daily (not every where in the world because some locations suffer severe lackage of Priests). A Catholic is not suppose to recieve the Eucharistic sacrament if they are in a state of mortal sin (venial sin is alright to recieve the Eucharist). If one prepares themselves daily - by what Muslims would refer to as internal Jihad or "Greater Jihad" ("Lesser Jihad" being martial warfare) - for either the Eucharist daily or for the sacrament of the Eucharist every week on Sunday, then theoritically this should help support their interior life struggling for spiritual growth. This is what I believe the Pope may speak of when he refers to spiritual "rhythms."

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 7:54:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		So you are basically saying you have to be an expert in theology to get into heaven. Us mere mortals are at a disadvantage because we haven’t read this complex text to see if stamp collecting is an implicit sin or not.

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 8:09:40 AM   
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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 8:28:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Sin, what is sin, is being a natural human sinful?



http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sin#Etymology

Etymology
Old English synn. The same root appears in several other Germanic languages, e.g., Old Norse synd, German Sünde. The word may derive, ultimately, from Indo-European root *es- (“‘to be’”). Latin also has an old present participle of esse in the word sons, sont- (“‘guilty’”). The root meaning would appear to be, "it is true;" that is, "the charge has been proven." The Greek word ἁμαρτία (hamartia), “‘to miss the mark, to miss the target’”) is often translated as “sin” in the New Testament.

Noun
sin (plural sins)
  1. (theology) A violation of a moral or religious law; an error.
  2. A misdeed.


According to the books from which the most popular conceptions of sin are attributed, all sins can be forgiven except one, denying that love exists, which sin, in turn, could be translated into believing that one human being can be more valuable than another, when the reality is we all are equally responsible for a physical body that will someday be turned into dust.


Your right ... up until a point...it kinda leaves off where political correctness begins.  In America today, people make a living, mostly paid for by taxpayers, invading the property rights we used to have for our own bodies. 

You are not allowed to eat your self into obesity withhout attracting the menacing glances of twiggy types with a metabolism on steroids....you are told you are an idiot if you bring your kids to a MacDonalds for a burger and should not do that...you are told to believe in science, by scientists who possibly might have at least a little axe to grind, and so some day we may be taxed on our carbon footprint...we gave to listen to speeches from politicians who know better than we do what is right for us in clever well delivered speeches of relevance implicatures that don't address the concerns of people unless, of course, these concerns meet the criteria of their agenda.

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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 8:53:10 AM   
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RE: Men and woman "sin" in different ways.. a... - 2/22/2009 9:12:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
Well, just remember the old Russian proverb...."You go to heaven for the weather and hell for the company"

 
No no the reality of the situation is: hell is full of people that used to be in heaven but they shot themselves in the head because they could not face an eternity in the company of a bunch of self-important people telling them the best way to exist in heaven. I mean once we've played this game out and passed the test of living with temptation but never being tempted (proven we are one of gods favourites) what comes next? Is god going to say "You've passed the test now you can all have fun sinning as you wish." or perhaps we should just be grateful we are not up to our necks in freezing water. Personally given the choice of heaven or hell I'd rather just not exist altogether because they both sound like variations of the same theme; an eternity of anything being hellish in its own right.


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