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EPA to Issue Carbon Dioxide Rule, Obama Climate Czar Sa... - 2/22/2009 9:44:54 AM   
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Carol Browner, Obama's "climate czar"..or Czarina,  guess, says that her agency will soon issue a "finding" that carbon dioxide represents a danger to the public!  I'm sure this is a real suprise to all of us since only plants live on carbon dioxide...which happens to kill people in their garage all too often.  However, she is joining with Pelosi to save the planet...and who gives a damn about the people working for the automotive companies with a national standard for auto emissions..companies that the taxpayers will soon own,..the end of fossil fuel plant building by utilities who, as Obama has said, he would bankrupt if they built coal fired plants, the chemical industry,but great news for windmills...and other pet "green" projects.  All this perfectly timed during the deepest recession since the 1970's and an economy probably on its way towards depression.
I kid you not..this IS perfect timing...if your ideology and view of "Change" in America is to destroy the capitialistic system, and replace it with a socialist system with each giving according to his ability and each getting according to their needs.  Soon there will be a run on those old gray shirts and trousers that the people in China used to wear during Mao's enlightened government.  The President drones on in velvety towns that bring tingles up and down the liberal leg...while the rest of us are being turned into drones..and so many don't see it coming.  This is not longer a partisan game...who is the bigger fuck up ..Bush, Clinton, Biden or Obama..it's serious business.   Hitler was able to change the face of one of the most advanced countries in Europe starting with only a 30% vote of the electorate...Within a couple of years everyone was starting to goosestep!   I think the communists probably represented no more than 10-15% of the Czarist revolution...but someone will correct me I am sure.  Here we have Obama with 52%-53%, a propaganda machine that includes all the major TV and cable networks...and the "Change" coming will happen before we know what happened because we here are fighting old democrat/republican partisan battles behind our strong Maginot and Siegfried lines...while the real battle is coming at us from the rear in a "Blitzkrieg" of economic, structural, and "cultural change".

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RE: EPA to Issue Carbon Dioxide Rule, Obama Climate Cza... - 2/22/2009 9:57:06 AM   
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1) Plants don't solely live on carbon dioxide at night they utilise respiration like the rest of us.
2) Why does implementation of green technology = job losses, when the government is happy to subsidise car companies with their protectionist practices as you mention?
3) What does green technology have to do with socialism and capitalism?
4) I do hear this droning noise now you come to mention it but he isn't wearing a grey suit in his profile picture yet.
5) Germany was still one of the most advanced countries during the war, moral standards have nothing to do with how advanced a society is
6) It's Tsar not czar. Czar is a misspelling of car, damn American's ruining our English Russian!



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RE: EPA to Issue Carbon Dioxide Rule, Obama Climate Cza... - 2/22/2009 2:07:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

1) Plants don't solely live on carbon dioxide at night they utilise respiration like the rest of us.
    First of all..it's utilize...not utilise..damn russians ruining our Russian/English.  With respect to plants...they would die withhout the carbon dioxide..at least the plants in America would...and we would die withhout the Oxygen they respirate at night.  Kinda works out to be a good deal for everyone...dontcha think?
  
                      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/utilize

2) Why does implementation of green technology = job losses, when the government is happy to subsidise car companies with their protectionist practices as you mention?
    Implementation of the EPA proposed carbon rules and carbon taxes equal job losses for the coal miners in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, for the people building generators in Ohio...and on and on...We also will see a short-fall in energy to meet demands when this economy does start to come out of recession...whether it takes a year..or three years. As far as the government being happy to subsidize car companies with their protectionist practices..I think you misunderstood what I said...the government is DESTROYING the car companies with mandates on mpg, carbon emissions, etc.  True they gave them money to fund the retooling of their assemply lines to assist in complying with the rules..but the rules are being created even faster than Pelosi can create money...or rather force Geithner to find someone to lend it to us.
 
 
 

3) What does green technology have to do with socialism and capitalism?
     In normal world ...not a thing.  All of us are in favor of being more green, protect our lakes, rivers, air, and the oceans.  However, Green used as a politica weapon puts tremendous power inthe hands of a few in government.  Witness this proposed rule announcement from the EPA regarding carbon dioxide and the horrendous impact it will have on new generation plants being built in this country.  EPA rules also make it about impossible to get approval to build any new nuclear plants, while other countries are busily building them, and, I believe, France now gets well over 70% of all its electric power from "Nuclear"..and these idiots here are going to build windmills!.. How many people do you need to build a "windmill"..10,20, 50..??  Oh and by the way...lets see how successful we are in getting the huge "bearings" that each windmill requires to turn...only manufactured in Japan and Germany..who are now manufacturing them for the...guess who...yep..the Chinese!  We are going to have to stand in line behind the Chinese.
 

4) I do hear this droning noise now you come to mention it but he isn't wearing a grey suit in his profile picture yet.
   That's because he is waiting for his tailor to catch up with him..Ours will be available off the rack at the 99cent store soon.


5) Germany was still one of the most advanced countries during the war, moral standards have nothing to do with how advanced a society is
   That was exactly my point...not well made.  Germany was, and is today one fo the most advanced countries during the time of Hitler's rise to power...although suffering through the worldwide depression and the heavy load of paying WW1 reparations.
Hitler was able to influence the "intellectuals"...not very difficult as we see in this country...and within a couple of years the nazi part was not the majority but the most important party in Germany.  The little known secret I think is that is EXACTLY why Jews are so liberal and so far out in front in fighting for civil rights and against anything that in any way...not matter how far fetched,.. could bring a facist type government to the United States.  I never thought that was a real risk...until now.  I am ultra conservative fiscally...but a dictator of the right is as bad as a dictator of the left...and my concern is that Obama is planting the seeds for this to possibly happen.  Inconcievable...maybe...but people thought that in th 1930's and before they knew it the were on trains to between 1933 and 1945,to about 20,000 camps.  While at first the prisoners were mostly communists, socialists and gypsies...but eventually included numerous other from gays to Jehovah's Witnesses...and five million Jews.
 

6) It's Tsar not czar. Czar is a misspelling of car, damn American's ruining our English Russian! 
 
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RE: EPA to Issue Carbon Dioxide Rule, Obama Climate Cza... - 2/25/2009 4:29:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub

  First of all..it's utilize...not utilise..damn russians ruining our Russian/English.  With respect to plants...they would die withhout the carbon dioxide..at least the plants in America would...and we would die withhout the Oxygen they respirate at night.  Kinda works out to be a good deal for everyone...dontcha think?
                         http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/utilize

Thanks for the link but I know how to spell utilise. Plants would die without carbon dioxide true but I've not heard anyone say recently "fuck where did all the CO2 go, we're all genna die!" Also respiration involves the consumption of oxygen not the production of it, there is a reason plants in the bedroom are a bad idea.
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    Implementation of the EPA proposed carbon rules and carbon taxes equal job losses for the coal miners in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, for the people building generators in Ohio...and on and on...We also will see a short-fall in energy to meet demands when this economy does start to come out of recession...whether it takes a year..or three years. As far as the government being happy to subsidize car companies with their protectionist practices..I think you misunderstood what I said...the government is DESTROYING the car companies with mandates on mpg, carbon emissions, etc.  True they gave them money to fund the retooling of their assemply lines to assist in complying with the rules..but the rules are being created even faster than Pelosi can create money...or rather force Geithner to find someone to lend it to us.

Coal mining is a dangerous risky business with vast occupational health concerns and you'd rather they were in coal mines than receive government aid for retraining?
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     In normal world ...not a thing.  All of us are in favor of being more green, protect our lakes, rivers, air, and the oceans.  However, Green used as a politica weapon puts tremendous power inthe hands of a few in government.  Witness this proposed rule announcement from the EPA regarding carbon dioxide and the horrendous impact it will have on new generation plants being built in this country.  EPA rules also make it about impossible to get approval to build any new nuclear plants, while other countries are busily building them, and, I believe, France now gets well over 70% of all its electric power from "Nuclear"..and these idiots here are going to build windmills!.. How many people do you need to build a "windmill"..10,20, 50..??  Oh and by the way...lets see how successful we are in getting the huge "bearings" that each windmill requires to turn...only manufactured in Japan and Germany..who are now manufacturing them for the...guess who...yep..the Chinese!  We are going to have to stand in line behind the Chinese.

Nuclear power I agree  is needed for a segment of energy production that will always be the case because it's continuous supply. People often don't understand that over supply must occur to meet unexpected demands.
 

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