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MARIEL -> is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/22/2009 11:19:33 PM)

Is it possible to get into subfrenzy right when you just met someone and  only online and theyre talking domly to you? or is it something else? and no,I have never been the desperate type.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/22/2009 11:20:38 PM)

In a word:

YES.




Lashra -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 3:41:28 AM)

Yes and judging from your posts you've got a bad case of it. Just remember your safety comes first and these relationships are based on trust, just like vanilla ones. So take a deep breath, get things in perspective and proceed with caution.

Good luck,

~Lashra




slaveluci -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 6:19:17 AM)

Apparently, it is possible.  Please stop, take a reality check and think.  Do you really want to be in some type of "frenzy?"  Calm down, slow down and think.  Using the term "sub frenzy" to justify rushing into things or making poor choices is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion.  It's no different than desperately rushing head-long into a bad relationship in the "vanilla" sense.  Slapping a cute term on such behavior doesn't make it any more sensible or acceptable.  You're grown.  Be sure and use common sense and act like it.  Don't buy into the "frenzy" hype[8|]

luci




OmegaG -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 6:53:11 AM)

you say that you aren't a despeate person but each of your posts indicate that you are in denial of your own gut instincts right now as you pour all of your energies into the first person that tells you to kneel in front of him.

so let me ask you?  Did you become desperate only when you decided that you needed a Dom?  Were you perfectly capeable of discerning heathy relationships in the past?  Has the only think that has changed is the dynamic?

If you were capeable of healthy relationships without the BDSM dynamics, I would say take a step back and look at those domly types that are degrading you and ask yourself how you would interact with them if it weren't for their self proclaimed Dominant status.




SassySarijane -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 7:52:07 AM)

YES! Your posts scream it. Please snap out of it and find reality again before you learn some really nasty lessons. Sub frenzy is no excuse for not using common sense. It can be controlled and overcome. I had it in the beginning and got a reality check and am much better now.




feydeplume -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 7:52:09 AM)

I'd like to toss in that sub frenzy is often used to describe a state where a submissive has not had their needs met for some time and is starting to use risk taking behaviors to get those needs filled, like a masochist getting into an abusive relationship or a submissive taking on too much of the workload at work. 

In my experience the frenzy comes only after you have had the experiences and then go without for so long that your internal balance gets out of whack, usually due to other stressors like grief, loss, big life change, or something that, well unbalances you.

Horny does not equal sub frenzy. Desperate does not equal sub frenzy. the giddy rush of being new to the world of kink does not equal sub frenzy. And frenzy, when it does happen, is something friends and loved ones can help manage since it isn't about finding a partner or sex, but putting balance back in your life and acting safely and dealing with whatever shit hit the fan.

Same goes for D/M/M's but they seem to KNOW that sex doesn't "fix" what is off balance in their head, probably because we all spend so much time telling them how they can only play when they are in balance and able and ready to be responsible for more than just themselves.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 8:06:21 AM)

Yes. I experienced it for awhile. Case in point the risky behaviors I did to get a fix. Met up with someone who turned out a bit unstable. Plus I got overly obssessively attached to the first dom that tied me up. It was confusing to feel so much for someone that i only met in person twice.


I think you need to dial it back a few notches. The best thing that ever happened to me was the smack upside the head i got here on the forums. Thanks guys!




feydeplume -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 8:53:17 AM)

yeah the BEST treatment for sub frenzy is people that care and will apply a bit of tough love to get the person to focus on the real needs in their life like food, shelter, safety, income, physical and mental health, etc and in no particular order. 




barelysubmissive -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 9:42:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: feydeplume

I'd like to toss in that sub frenzy is often used to describe a state where a submissive has not had their needs met for some time and is starting to use risk taking behaviors to get those needs filled, like a masochist getting into an abusive relationship or a submissive taking on too much of the workload at work. 

In my experience the frenzy comes only after you have had the experiences and then go without for so long that your internal balance gets out of whack, usually due to other stressors like grief, loss, big life change, or something that, well unbalances you.

Horny does not equal sub frenzy. Desperate does not equal sub frenzy. the giddy rush of being new to the world of kink does not equal sub frenzy. And frenzy, when it does happen, is something friends and loved ones can help manage since it isn't about finding a partner or sex, but putting balance back in your life and acting safely and dealing with whatever shit hit the fan.

Same goes for D/M/M's but they seem to KNOW that sex doesn't "fix" what is off balance in their head, probably because we all spend so much time telling them how they can only play when they are in balance and able and ready to be responsible for more than just themselves.



WOW! Thanks, I really needed to read this today!  Last night I was a mess, and could recognize what was happeneing to me.  I knew not to do anything stupid, but couldnt think through what I need.  Its balance and grounding again.

I had been getting to know a local Dom, with phone calls, that I had first met on CM.  I like to take it very slow, and didnt want to rush into a meeting, cause I tend to play early on, and then I get too connected too soon.

With weeks of long phone calls, with alot of teasing and listening to the deep "Dom" voice, I was so ready to meet him, so eager to finally be with him in person.  Then when we were planning on meeting 2 weeks ago, he pulled the Disappearing Dom act. And since then I have felt all shakey, on the edge of a high cliff.

While Im now questioning whether I can ever start over, and trust again, (this not being my first sub go round with a Dom LOL) and I have changed my name to THIS one, last night I counted how many months and how many weeks and how many days it had been since I was last totally taken, totally "Dommed", totally submissive -- how long since I was taken so high and kept in that glorious state of orgasmic bliss -- how long since I gave this body to someone I called MY Dom -- how long since I spents hours sexually pleasing Him and feeling his hands on me -- how long since I felt that connected and that controlled and that safe and that grounded in who and what I thought I was.

After realizing how long and remembering what it used to feel like, and after remember how much on edge that recent local Dom kept me for weeks, I started to shake and cry and ache all over.  I want to run away, but dont know where, cause this is all IN me, and I will take it with me no matter how far or how fast I run.  And I wonder is this what being submissive will alwasy feel like???




feydeplume -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 9:54:18 AM)

 "And I wonder is this what being submissive will alwasy feel like???" and "I felt that connected and that controlled and that safe and that grounded in who and what I thought I was."   between those two sentences is your answer hon. There are highs and there are lows. BUT when there is a lull in the "totally safe and grounded BECAUSE of play" there is a chance to clean out your mental mess and be totally grounded and safe BECAUSE of who and what you are in all your glory. Really, there are highs with people and highs without people, one just comes with more sex than the other, but neither is better. 




Mercnbeth -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 11:02:34 AM)

quote:

...Don't buy into the "frenzy" hype[8|]...


indeed.  own your behavior, don't blame it on some fanciful condition that was mysteriously brought on by inexperience.




lovingpet -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 11:06:45 AM)

My guess is this subfrenzy began long before that first "domly one"  starting hitting all the right buttons for you.  You have likely known for awhile that there was this empty spot inside, no?  Just because someone can push your buttons means nothing when they were needing to be pushed so badly.  Just because a spark started a forest fire does not mean it was ever part of something more useful like a campfire.  It just means it was fire and it was capable of burning.  You need a flame that is well controlled and serves a greater purpose than just filling you with passion.  Best wishes!

lovingpet




InTonguesslave -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 12:49:55 PM)

whether it is or it isnt, it doesnt mean that the person youre feeling frenzied about is right for you - it just means youre pent up feelings are finding an outlet - so dont translate this as the turkish guy has hit all the right buttons - it doesnt mean that especially atall.

when i first started on the internet, ages ago now, in the begining, my emotions were all over the place, i kept falling in love with anyone i struck up any sort of connection with.  i was all over the place, emotional, horny, shakey, exhilerated, tearful, unable to sleep - believe me its no measure of the man youre talking to - its the measure of youre need, youre need is great right now and you need to get a grip and take a very deep breath.




antipode -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 1:07:46 PM)

quote:

Is it possible to get into subfrenzy right when you just met someone and only online


Yes. But it comes out of your head, not out of his.




sirsholly -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 1:28:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MARIEL

Is it possible to get into subfrenzy right when you just met someone and  only online and theyre talking domly to you? or is it something else? and no,I have never been the desperate type.

in another thread you are talking about going to see a Dom in Turkey because you spoke to him on the phone...once.

Sub frenzy happens...but i think you need to get yourself under control




came4U -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/23/2009 3:44:06 PM)

quote:

no,I have never been the desperate type.


Seriously. Amost every day you are considering camming or meeting a new and different guy. 

Ever consider picking one guy to talk to for about 6 months and practice being able to hold off meeting or asking us for details in how to handle him.  That would be the non-desperate thing to do.







librarysub -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/26/2009 12:33:56 PM)

Further question on the frenzy thing. If you are in a good relationship, but think it may have moved a little fast, how do you "get a grip" without upsetting the good things? Big problem is the other regular life stuff that doesn't help. How do you find balance when job hunting, parenting teenagers, and continuing to recover from death of a beloved husband? The dom I'm involved with is great and I'm sure he's willing to give me any space or time neccessary, but I have no clue what to do to calm these emotions. I knew that the time I spent grieving was going to be a rollercoaster, but I'm not sure if I'm capable of handlign a new ride.

Thanks for any insights




Lockit -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/26/2009 1:07:08 PM)

There is also such a thing as relationship frenzy.  You must have someone, anyone... who will pay you some attention and the next thing you know... you are planning a future and getting yourself into all sorts of situations.  I often discribe it as being too hungry.

I wouldn't call what you are doing... sub frenzy... it's more like relationship frenzy.




librarysub -> RE: is it possible?subfrenzy?at first? (2/26/2009 1:18:37 PM)

I guess that since I waited over 2 years to even date, that I thought I'd have this emotion stuff whipped. I did the safety stuff. (I'm good at background checks), and we took the beginning slow. I'm just trying to figure out waht to work on in my head to "unfrenzy". I have friends that I spend time with and I'm a good mom. (according to my late husband's mom) So, it's not affecting my life negatively, other that I feel nuts. I met my (late) husband at 16, so have I just forgettoen how rotten these first emotions can feel? (enjoying the ups, but hate the self doubt stuff)




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