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Aneirin -> Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 7:02:23 AM)

Strange markings on the sea floor, as big as Wales.


Yes, I know it is that rabid newspaper '' The Sun'', where little should be believed, and it is discounted here as something to do with data collection by boats, but what do you think ?

Or could it even be a hoax that the google programmers have put in there to cause a stir over their new toy




DomKen -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 7:09:00 AM)

3.5 miles down and not on the continental shelf. That location has never been above water.




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 7:12:37 AM)

its crosslines from side scan sonar that is used to map the oceans, some ships crossed paths and the maps got jumbled. or something. 




Termyn8or -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 8:04:02 AM)

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I think I will withold the cigar for now. The hypothesis I have accepted as a valid theory is that Atlantis was on the continent of Antarctica. Supportive facts will be given later, I'll deal with these marking first.

Many of us have no doubt heard of crop circles. These are patterns on the land that are too large to be seen by the naked eye, and are only viewable for high up in the air. There is no valid explanation for them at this time, but plenty of speculation going on. The subject actually made it to talk radio on XM. While they want to talk aliens, and this is like a landing strip or something like that brings me to the question, well then why haven't they landed ?

The ordered fashion of these markings are similar, in that it infers a plan, but in all the world, this cannot be counted on. This happens, but just how vast is the surface of the Earth ? I think the conclusion is premature. Although we might not yet understand the mechenism of nature that produced these ordered patterns, we cannot assume that it does not exist. I think the sanest position is to accept it as a possibility, and seek more knowledge if possible. If possible yeah.

Anyway, a hypothesis came out a few years ago about lost civilisation on Antarctica and is supported by two main incontrovertable facts. They have a bit more evidence but not so strong as those two facts.

They assert that about every 15,000 years or so, the Earth's crust shifts. It does this because we live on basically a thin film of soil etc., which is riding on liquid magma. When the polar ice caps gain in mass, the centripetal force causes this. You are aware that there is a declination they call it, between true north and magnetic north. Magnetic north is caused by the core of the planet, and this declinatiion not only varies according to what line of longitude, but also varies slightly over time.

Well they spoke of a drastic shift, and of course talked for an hour, but two facts stand out in my head which impel me to accept this theory as being quite plausible.

The first fact is that when lodestones are formed, they take on the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field, but they have found lodestones that do not follow this rule. Their magnetic orientation suggests that at one time Anarctica was not at the South Pole, and that life could've existed there because they would be at a more habitable latitude. This supports other theory, that of Pangea the supercontinent and possibly why it broke up. Supporting this is the fact that the eastern shoreline of the Americas strangely matches up to the western shoreline of Eurasia.

Also, although somewhat anecdotal in nature, in the time of Christopher Columbus, they had a map of the actual land mass of Antarctica. It is said that even back then, in the 1500s nobody actually knew where this map cam from, but it was one of the maps they used. How did they get it ? With modern science, using ultrasound or whatever, we now have such a map, but it is hard to believe that way back, damn near in Biblical times that someone went there and started digging. It would take decades at least. However the map does exist, so it is not totally anecdotal.

So that is the theory I have accepted as being "most likely correct". Nothing more, really it is still a mystery, as none of us were there at the time.

Anyway, I have to file these lines on the ocean floor along with the crop circles, and other patterns in vast areas of land which defy explanaition. I am open to any theory on the subject.

Interesting topis, keepum coming because I am sick of politics :-)

T




FRSguy -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 10:25:04 AM)

Really tough call on this one.  Its definatly not Atlantic because although some people have said its located in that area there are way more interesting areas that more likeley to be Atlantis... it also does not really match the description of the city at all.  Its definatly not a data collection glitch. Havent been able to take mesurments of it yet either but will work on that in my spare time... Very simular structures have been found underwater before created by curents so it could be something perfectly natural. I know in ancient times they were playing around with the concept of extreamly huge square barges so it could be a lot of things.....  




FRSguy -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 10:47:11 AM)

Okay finaly got to take a good look at it.  Pretty cool. I can see why they would think its some kind of city or something.  The patern repeats itself to the Northeast near and island and it actually look likes roads connecting the islands. I am sure it must be compleatly natural just because of the size but is still really cool.




Rule -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 11:45:52 AM)

Most likely either natural (it is near the fracture lines of the Mid-Oceanic Ridge), or an artefact.




Vendaval -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 1:30:16 PM)

I am going with the sea floor terrain data mapping explanation on this one.




LadyExcrutia -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 1:57:16 PM)

I guess you can believe the impossible as long as it is possible for you to believe in it. I have seen strange things here in New Mexico and I saw cattle mutilations and weird lights in the desert and yes, to quote a cliché phrase "nothing on Earth can be and turn around a corner that fast" so I want to believe, call me crazy but I don't have conspiracy theories yet or believe in little green men but I sense that such things are beyond the classical denial of common mainstream science.




Lucylastic -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 4:29:47 PM)

wish it were true, as a archeology fan, the findings would be so incredible, but google have debunked it, according to PC World
http://www.pcworld.com/article/160011/google_sinks_atlantis_discovery_buzz.html

Of course the consipracy theories are part of the fun in something like this
Lucy




TNstepsout -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 4:46:07 PM)

Interesting possibility especially considering it's proximity to the Canary Islands. http://www.atlan.org/articles/guanche_origin/






slaveboyforyou -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 5:10:55 PM)

Maybe it's El Dorado.  Oh wait......maybe it's Avalon.  It could be the entrance to the Mole-men kingdom at the center of the Earth.  No....I think it could be a UFO landing zone. 




Aneirin -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 7:05:09 PM)

General Reply;

Dear me, some people just seem not to have the ability to dream, think of the fantastical and say quietly in their mind, what if.

Anyway, I have read some of the translated Sanskrit text relating to the Vimanas, and I do believe there is reference in one of the texts to say that a city was destroyed by aerial bombardment, using weapons that caused such affect that the survivors of the blast lingered and died over a period of time. There was reports of people having to wash themselves in rivers to avoid the lingering death. Now, these texts report a time some 4000 plus years ago, where there was apparently flying machines that waged war in the air using weapons their description, very reminiscent of what people chuck at each other now.

The city, was apparently, wiped off the face of the earth by the bombardment, and other cities received similar attacks. Maybe, there was an Atlantis, or at least a place, country, city, whatever very much like it, the name could of course been something different, as all we have is Plato who reveals a name, and he was but one man.

The pattern on the sea floor, well, I keep an open mind until proved either way.

So, the site is a Hindu site, but there is some interesting info here, further stuff, you will have to find for yourself





kdsub -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 8:16:45 PM)

No comment on validity but I do have one on the explanation…It seems to me this phenomena would of at least happened before in the collection process in the millions and millions of sq miles…If it is why not show other examples?

Butch




DomKen -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 9:49:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

General Reply;

Dear me, some people just seem not to have the ability to dream, think of the fantastical and say quietly in their mind, what if.

Anyway, I have read some of the translated Sanskrit text relating to the Vimanas, and I do believe there is reference in one of the texts to say that a city was destroyed by aerial bombardment, using weapons that caused such affect that the survivors of the blast lingered and died over a period of time. There was reports of people having to wash themselves in rivers to avoid the lingering death. Now, these texts report a time some 4000 plus years ago, where there was apparently flying machines that waged war in the air using weapons their description, very reminiscent of what people chuck at each other now.

The city, was apparently, wiped off the face of the earth by the bombardment, and other cities received similar attacks. Maybe, there was an Atlantis, or at least a place, country, city, whatever very much like it, the name could of course been something different, as all we have is Plato who reveals a name, and he was but one man.

The pattern on the sea floor, well, I keep an open mind until proved either way.

So, the site is a Hindu site, but there is some interesting info here, further stuff, you will have to find for yourself



4000 years ago is a period we know an awful lot about. No major civilization or land mass disappeared at that time. Certainly there wasn't a technologically advanced culture anywhere at that time.




Aneirin -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 9:56:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

General Reply;

Dear me, some people just seem not to have the ability to dream, think of the fantastical and say quietly in their mind, what if.

Anyway, I have read some of the translated Sanskrit text relating to the Vimanas, and I do believe there is reference in one of the texts to say that a city was destroyed by aerial bombardment, using weapons that caused such affect that the survivors of the blast lingered and died over a period of time. There was reports of people having to wash themselves in rivers to avoid the lingering death. Now, these texts report a time some 4000 plus years ago, where there was apparently flying machines that waged war in the air using weapons their description, very reminiscent of what people chuck at each other now.

The city, was apparently, wiped off the face of the earth by the bombardment, and other cities received similar attacks. Maybe, there was an Atlantis, or at least a place, country, city, whatever very much like it, the name could of course been something different, as all we have is Plato who reveals a name, and he was but one man.

The pattern on the sea floor, well, I keep an open mind until proved either way.

So, the site is a Hindu site, but there is some interesting info here, further stuff, you will have to find for yourself



4000 years ago is a period we know an awful lot about. No major civilization or land mass disappeared at that time. Certainly there wasn't a technologically advanced culture anywhere at that time.



I do believe that NASA has taken an interest in these Sanskrit texts, it does strike me as odd as to why they should be interested in such things, a reputable organisation such as that.




DomKen -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 9:57:16 PM)

You may believe it but that doesn't make it true.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/23/2009 10:12:22 PM)

quote:

Dear me, some people just seem not to have the ability to dream, think of the fantastical and say quietly in their mind, what if.


Aneirin, I'm perfectly capable of using my imagination and thinking about the fantastic.  Now are you capable of applying a bit of skepticism to the story of Atlantis?  Perhaps, it's just a story.  I really don't understand why we have so many folks today, that can't seem to grasp that maybe Plato was just spinning a yarn.





Aneirin -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/24/2009 4:22:57 AM)

I live on skepticism, I hear fantastical statements everyday, the news is full of it, polititicians are going to do this, do that and the other, that is our reality, something which rarely if ever does become something better. But to think of the past, things that have been and might have been, that is plain old wonder, perhaps something brighter in a dull world of politics, woe and anguish, that which seems to pervade all of us with a sense of gloom, darkening our lives.

Now if you prefer to live with the doom and gloom of daily events, it will infect you with the same, nothing seems to be brighter than the norm. Perhaps people that prefer to think that Plato was onto something, are people that like to think beyond the doom and gloom, an escape even, the fantastical. People that might be included in the dreamers might be archaeologists and scientists, learned people and scholars, for having the ability to think outside the box, leads to discoveries being made, often via the search for something else.

I personally, just happen to think, though evidence is scant, that there are discoveries yet to be made, and maybe it is that the 'space' that is our oceans holds many secrets yet to be discovered, not to forget the great seas of sand, as to advanced civilisations, why not, it is very arrogant to think that we now are that advanced and nothing as like has been before.





TNstepsout -> RE: Atlantis, is this it ? (2/24/2009 5:47:28 AM)

Ok on closer look and after having time to read the article with it, I think the sonar scan theory seems plausible. The lines go right through natural hills and such that show up in the scan. If it was a city it wouldn't do that.

Doesn't mean I don't think there was an Atlantis. Just means I don't think this is it.




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