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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 5:50:28 PM

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Haven't found a good explanatory article but I will point you to the blog archive of an infectious disease researcher I find very informative.
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/influenza/

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 6:34:33 PM

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I completely agree...
and the link you provided instills my first opinion

I am not against a flu vaccine....
never said I was....

My original opinion...and I will try to make this simple
is this:

We constantly bombard our bodies with medications, to which our bodies become immune to the medications

The Flu Vaccine isn't really a medication, it is in fact the various strains of influenza, which forces your immunity to fight against....

So, like I said, we need a Vaccine because so many people have compromised their immunities
from over medicating themselves when they have the sniffles....

oh and back to the 1918 case
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html
"There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against."

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 6:38:48 PM

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No flu shots for me, thanks.

Every time I got it I was sick (of the sniffly, runny nose variety) EVERY day. When I got sick of it (pun unintended) I went to my GP and he said 'Yep, that happens with flu shots. At least you don't have the flu, right?'

I wanted to PUNCH him.

After that my mom never forced my brother or I to get it again and she didn't get it again either. Miraculously it went away

Wanna know how many times in the 13 years since I've gotten the flu?

NOT ONCE.

I've been exposed to it, oh yeah. There was one year my best friend had a NASTY one and I didn't even get it.

And I have a BAD immune system. :<

I'm not saying that others shouldn't get it if they're susceptible to the flu... but I never will until it's proven I'll need it (and chances are once that happens I'll be dead, so woot for me)!

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 8:27:05 PM

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Oh, great blog! I especially like The 12 Diseases That Changed Our World review.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 8:56:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GimpinDenial

I completely agree...
and the link you provided instills my first opinion

I am not against a flu vaccine....
never said I was....

My original opinion...and I will try to make this simple
is this:

We constantly bombard our bodies with medications, to which our bodies become immune to the medications

The Flu Vaccine isn't really a medication, it is in fact the various strains of influenza, which forces your immunity to fight against....

So, like I said, we need a Vaccine because so many people have compromised their immunities
from over medicating themselves when they have the sniffles....

oh and back to the 1918 case
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html
"There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against."

Measles, mumps and rubella were lethal pandemic diseases before vaccinations. Polio crippled and killed tens of thousands of young people every year before the Salk vaccine. Smallpox routinely reached epidemic levels before the vaccine now it is effectively extinct.

In short you have no idea what you are talking about. And finding some woo flinging antivaxer to support your ideas is just an indication of how little you know on the subject. Go read the blog I linked to for the truth of the anti vax kooks.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 8:58:52 PM

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I'm not a fan of vaccines so I would only get one if it was proven to me that thousands of people were dropping like flies around me in my area.

I can't say I've ever had the flu, not even a cold in some 17 yrs. My son is ** and never had a cold or flu. I think if he vomited it would freak him out. lol

Too much of a risk to mess with our immune system to line up for these unknown batches of goo they distribute to the masses. My mom got one long ago, baaaaad reaction (laid up for a week) so that didn't help any chance of trusting it.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 9:06:16 PM

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Argh...
I am not anti-vax
....................................

Ok, I am going to stop because it is obvious you haven't read my last post
and you obviously didn't read in the blog that it is about STRAIN A

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 9:10:30 PM

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Argh...
I am not anti-vax
....................................

Ok, I am going to stop because it is obvious you haven't read my last post
and you obviously didn't read in the blog that it is about STRAIN A

You're the one who approvingly posted a link to an anti vaxer telling lies about 1918. What else was someone supposed to think except that you believed it?

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/24/2009 11:17:29 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: GimpinDenial

Argh...
I am not anti-vax
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Ok, I am going to stop because it is obvious you haven't read my last post
and you obviously didn't read in the blog that it is about STRAIN A

You're the one who approvingly posted a link to an anti vaxer telling lies about 1918. What else was someone supposed to think except that you believed it?

Yep.

Here's the link he posted:

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ORIGINAL: GimpinDenial

oh and back to the 1918 case
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html
"There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against."

I paid a visit to that site and started looking around.

I suspected what I'd find behind the MMR link, and sure enough ...

It's repeating the zombie lies of Andrew Wakefield.

Guess what?

Andrew Wakefield MADE UP HIS DATA.

And Wakefield's fraud is at the bottom of this meme.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/25/2009 4:26:34 AM

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The zombie stuff is lies? It can't be. I saw it in a movie.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/25/2009 5:53:55 AM

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No flu vaccine for me now or ever. The flu vaccine is the biggest marketing hoax ever foisted on the American people. It only protects against 8-10 of the strains researchers PREDICT will be the worst ones next year. There are hundreds of flu strains so who's to say the one you are exposed to will actually be in the flu shot you got. Not to mention that the shot puts a strain on your immune system and leaves you vulnerable to other illnesses you might be exposed to. The numbers used to scare people into getting the vaccine are completely made up as well. The figures used are estimates of the number of people who die each year from respiratory illnesses. Researchers assume that a certain percentage of people with these illnesses started with the flu. From there they extrapolate the numbers of deaths from the flu! They are not reporting numbers of people known to have the flu. Have you ever known anyone who has died, or even been hospitalized for the flu? It's complete hogwash and nothing but scare tactic marketing aided by the government.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/25/2009 8:21:19 PM

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They are not reporting numbers of people known to have the flu. Have you ever known anyone who has died, or even been hospitalized for the flu?

The flu takes on various forms. Within those forms are Type A H1N1 that killed 20-204 million people (1918-19) N1 also knows as the Spanish flu. Hong Kong and Asian N2N2, N3N2 killed millions in 1957-1969. There are up to 17 categories of flu and not all cause respiratory failure, but do cause death.

Influenze can be a killer, but natural immunities help. Your choice if you get the shot, but don't forget, by the time you recieve that shot, the vaccine you got is of a virus strain that has already died off (scientists are too far behind) the way influenze viruses mutate, reproduce and/or lay dormant anyways.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/26/2009 7:24:09 AM

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They are not reporting numbers of people known to have the flu. Have you ever known anyone who has died, or even been hospitalized for the flu?

The flu takes on various forms. Within those forms are Type A H1N1 that killed 20-204 million people (1918-19)

650,000 Americans in the 1918 influenza pandemic. See Barry's The Great Influenza. That was just about 6/10 of 1% of the whole population. And about twice as many Americans as died in WW II.

We got off lucky. Places like Mexico got hammered much worse. Bad diet, lousy sanitation, as close to zero medical infrastructure as makes no difference.

A little knowledge goes a long way. The only thing you can do if you have no vaccination, no specific treatment, and your hospitals are swamped, is to break the chain of infection. Most Americans were told (incorrectly) that this was a less serious disease, but still airborne. So they tended to isolate themselves, which is just about the only way to slow down an airborne infector, if you're minus vaccination and effective hospitalization, that I can think of.

The records are too poor in most places for an accurate count, but IIRC, Mexico lost about 5% of its total population in the 1918 pandemic. See Barry, cited above.

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Your choice if you get the shot, but don't forget, by the time you recieve that shot, the vaccine you got is of a virus strain that has already died off (scientists are too far behind) the way influenze viruses mutate, reproduce and/or lay dormant anyways.

Scientists make the best educated guess they can. That's what outfits like the Epidemic Intelligence Service are all about.

Some flu seasons, they're close.

Others, they're off the mark. The most famous time this went wrong that I can think of offhand was the swine flu episode of 1976.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/26/2009 7:37:32 AM

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They are not reporting numbers of people known to have the flu. Have you ever known anyone who has died, or even been hospitalized for the flu?

that wasn't me that asked that. I took bioforensics and studied disease patterns through anthropology depts. I wouldn't even consider such an absurd question. There are better sources but most cannot be accessed without login to read articles.

Besides, sold all my old texbooks cuz of my recent addiction to e-bay LOL

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/26/2009 9:35:18 AM

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....flu is a moving target. It mutates fast and can, on occasion, mutate into a serious killer. The flu shots are as accurate as, er, any other sort of shot. You aim to hit the target, you most likely hit it, but you can also miss. i have been told that the last two years flu shots were mostly misses. This happens.
i'll still take the shot though, better some partial protection than none at all.....and next year they may be right on the money, for that year. The next big flu pandemic is somewhat overdue, i don't want to be caught with my pants down when there is a simple way to help protect myself.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/26/2009 3:26:50 PM

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I don't know about Canada but the pharmacies here usually give you the shot in the upper arm not the butt cheeks.

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/26/2009 3:31:40 PM

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I don't know about Canada but the pharmacies here usually give you the shot in the upper arm not the butt cheeks.

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i don't want to be caught with my pants down when there is a simple way to help protect myself.

...well, if you ask very nicely.......

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RE: Flu supervaccine may be coming soon - 2/26/2009 3:38:31 PM

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