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dorechan -> cracking a whip (1/20/2006 3:13:52 AM)
I have another question... My Princess (who's coming back soon) asked me to buy a few things on an online sex shop, and that included a 6 foot whip. I think the sound of the whip is most of the fun, for the person using it. The whip we bought was really cheap because, well, we already bought other expensive toys, and buying a $150 whip only to find that she didn't really enjoye, that would have been very disappointing. Anyway, when I received it, I tried, but could hear the crack very few times. And most of the times I could make the sound, it was using it sideways, clockwise with my right arm (that is, starting from the left). I must say that I'm a bit clumsy, so maybe Princess will have more success doing it overhead, sideways etc, but maybe the reason is that the whip is too cheap ? Is there something to do with the part of the whip that makes the "CRACK !" ? For example if it's too short or too long ? (It's 23 cm long, plus 5 cm of louse thread - I mean the thread is not tied together into a string down to the end of it) Are there some resources explaining how to use it properly, other than http://www.bullwhip.org/ ? Thank you very much.

KittenWithaTwist -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 4:13:28 AM)
DO NOT use a bullwhip or ANY kind of whip on a human being without a LOT of practice. You could SERIOUSLY injure the bottom you are attempting to play with. Further, in my limited experience with whipping, it is not the crack or sound of the instrument, but the way it caresses your flesh. DO NOT do this WITHOUT training.

MstrssPassion -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 4:27:41 AM)
I whole-heartedly agree... DO NOT USE THIS WHIP ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING WITHOUT TRAINING As to the crack... could be that you are not using it correctly. Think of it this way... most people can get a roll up towel to crack. Length is not a problem... I use all lengths from a 2-3 ft dragontail to a 7 ft snake whip. I have even practiced with a 14 foot whip but found no reason to own one. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE & for item such as this... don't think cheap... do your research

LadiesBladewing -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 4:31:55 AM)
The "crack" comes from the tip moving faster than the speed of sound, and it takes a particular technique to get it to do that. If you're going to use the whip on skin, though, the crack will come -well- before the whip actually touches skin, and many whip officionados don't like the crack at all, since it diffuses some of the "lick" and energy of the stroke. I can't explain how to get it to do that... for me, it's a certain turn of wrist just as the whip stretches to near its full length, and I only use the crack for psychological kicks (I'm one of the ones who doesn't like the noise to get in the way of the energetic thrust of the stroke.) It's been a few years since I've had a good quality singletail in the house, and it always takes a few days to warm back up when one hasn't used it in a while (I suspect that my MS has made it an impractical toy, but I -do- miss it.) Because I'm short myself, I tend to prefer the shorter singletails... I find the longer ones to be more trouble than they're worth for me in terms of balance and "kick", but it's -definitely- a personal preference issue in terms of weight and length and such. I would never want someone to buy a whip -for- me... I like to test them and weigh the balance myself. Plan on -lots- of practice on inanimate objects including sofa cushions and pillows (and some workshops with folks who use it often and well) to get the technique down before trying it on a back or tush. The inexpensive one may be fun to play with in terms of practice, and is ok to find out if someone even likes the sensation of wielding one, but if there's going to be serious whip-play, do yourselves a favor and invest in a good whip... it will handle better and have better balance and be less tiring if the balance is right (yes, singletail work is -work- grins). Lady Zephyr

1wildwolf -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 4:33:03 AM)
i agree with the people above about practice and experience before using a heavy/long whip....i dont know about your area but i know the local groups here occasionally get together to do lessons and show how to use them properly (and get a crack from them) from what i have heard from my Domme and a Dom friend of Hers who is quite proficcient it does take a fair bit of practice to even get a crack for them....also strength of arm and the proper technique....

dorechan -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 5:10:07 AM)
Thanks again for all the replies !!! Concerning practice, we will go to a club where she might find someone who will give her explanations and a maybe demonstration... Concerning the sound... different people, different kinks. The whip was completely her idea, and the sound is part of what she likes. LadiesBladewing, I undestand why you want to buy your whip yourself... but that one is just to try. Then she might enjoy it and get something of better quality. Also, concerning the length, what is your preference ? Your own length, or shorter ? I'm afraid it will be too long to be really convenient for her. Ah well it was really cheap, we'll find something better in the first sex shop we'll visit. Thanks again for all the advice. Oh and by the way... KittenWithaTwist mentionned that the whip may damage the bottom. I could be wrong but she really likes my pretty bottom as it is, so I was guessing the whip was for my back (I didn't ask, actually... and I think her answer would be "you'll see"). I could be wrong though... Or are you going to tell me that even experienced people don't aim at the back, only at the bottom ?

Synocense -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 5:15:52 AM)
Please peek at this site ..... http://www.whipmasterbob.com/artist.htm

mistoferin -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 5:21:17 AM)
quote: Oh and by the way... KittenWithaTwist mentionned that the whip may damage the bottom. I could be wrong but she really likes my pretty bottom as it is, so I was guessing the whip was for my back (I didn't ask, actually... and I think her answer would be "you'll see"). I could be wrong though... Or are you going to tell me that even experienced people don't aim at the back, only at the bottom ? I'm fairly certain that KittenWithaTwist was using the word "bottom" as it is another word for the person who is submitting....not as in the bottom of you. Forgive me for being bold, but in light of your recent posts it appears that neither you or your Princess have much in the line of real time experience. I would personally suggest that you leave the types of play you have been referring to ie., whips and electric shock collars, on the back burner until the both of you can acquire some real hands on experience, or at the very least, attend some demos and events. Neither of the types of play you have mentioned that interest you are things that a novice should be just doing. Start out with some light bondage, spanking...things like that. Those types of activities will give you a feel for whether or not this is right for you....and should fill the void while you search out and get some more practical, hands on knowledge.

MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 5:24:01 AM)
Ok. Last rewrite. I promise. quote: Or are you going to tell me that even experienced people don't aim at the back, only at the bottom ? The "bottom" she was referring to was you as a whole, the submissive. One thing that has me concerned is that what I think you bought was one of those novelty piece of junk whips. Bottom line - they can NEVER be thrown properly. They're not meant to be used. Don't use it on someone. Ever. Let me give you an idea of what a decent whip will cost you. A good little starter whip is a 3 foot 8 plait signal whip ~ they generally start about $125 and run to about $200. They're good whips to learn on, although if you really get into single tails, you'll want better one(s) as you progress. A plait is how many strands of leather are used to braid the whip - the higher the number, the better quality the whip ultimately will be. I've seen 4 plaits and didn't think much of them - too cheaply made. 12 and 16 plaits are easy to find and nice; 20 and 24 plaits are a big investment but REALLY nice. I had the opportunity to handle a 32 plait last summer; beautiful piece. "Better" signal whips in the 4 foot range generally run from $250 to $450 and up for 16 to 24 plait braids, depending on how many plaits, the maker, the quality. The cost increases exponentially based on the length of a whip. You're not going to get a decent 6 foot bullwhip cheaply. The bottom line is that any decent signal whip is an investment. Period. The $150 you mentioned will NOT buy you a good 6 foot whip. Once you have your whip, expect that it will take several months of practice WITH HANDS ON INSTRUCTION to learn how to use it accurately and properly so as not to damage the person you are playing with. Single tails aren't impossible for the average person to use, by any means, but they are dangerous in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it and disregards the necessity to learn to use it properly.

KittenWithaTwist -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 5:51:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dorechan Thanks again for all the replies !!! Concerning practice, we will go to a club where she might find someone who will give her explanations and a maybe demonstration... Concerning the sound... different people, different kinks. The whip was completely her idea, and the sound is part of what she likes. LadiesBladewing, I undestand why you want to buy your whip yourself... but that one is just to try. Then she might enjoy it and get something of better quality. Also, concerning the length, what is your preference ? Your own length, or shorter ? I'm afraid it will be too long to be really convenient for her. Ah well it was really cheap, we'll find something better in the first sex shop we'll visit. Thanks again for all the advice. Oh and by the way... KittenWithaTwist mentionned that the whip may damage the bottom. I could be wrong but she really likes my pretty bottom as it is, so I was guessing the whip was for my back (I didn't ask, actually... and I think her answer would be "you'll see"). I could be wrong though... Or are you going to tell me that even experienced people don't aim at the back, only at the bottom ? By Bottom, I mean the person who will be receiving the whipping. And you need more than a maybe demo and a verbal explanation to go whipping someone all willy nilly. A friend of my partner "tried out" his 6 ft bullwhip on his sub's thigh and cut a 6 inch slash through her flesh. Your Top needs to PRACTICE on inanimate objects before she practices on your flesh, unless you like explaining to hospital personnel why you're bleeding profusely.

dorechan -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 6:05:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin I'm fairly certain that KittenWithaTwist was using the word "bottom" as it is another word for the person who is submitting....not as in the bottom of you. OK quote: Forgive me for being bold, but in light of your recent posts it appears that neither you or your Princess have much in the line of real time experience. I would personally suggest that you leave the types of play you have been referring to ie., whips and electric shock collars, on the back burner until the both of you can acquire some real hands on experience, or at the very least, attend some demos and events. Neither of the types of play you have mentioned that interest you are things that a novice should be just doing. Start out with some light bondage, spanking...things like that. Those types of activities will give you a feel for whether or not this is right for you....and should fill the void while you search out and get some more practical, hands on knowledge. Thanks. I think we started bondage on the second week we were together (furry handcuffs, then rope, then real handcuffs, and velcro/ rubber cuffs somewhere in the middle), and spanking (wooden paddle, then a small whip with many tails, then a rubber paddle - which makes me wonder where is that rubber paddle) on the third...[;)]. Then we started things SHE would enjoy more, such as foot and body worship. I'm asking on a specialized forum because we did all the nice play that any couple can play (and that probabl half of the couples next door play), and want to move to some things that require some experience. If she had decided to start using a riding crop instead of a whip, I wouldn't have asked because I don't think there's much to know about it (I do ride horses sometimes so a riding crop is not a big mystery).

dorechan -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 6:16:38 AM)
Thank you Synocense for the link. Thank you MsSonnetMarwood for all the information... I think that the first $200 toy we would buy would be a bodybouncer, or something like that (... there must be threads on this forum about that toy, I'll check what was said about it... but it's not even for the next couple of months anyway). There's no buying $400 toys in a foreseeable future. Anyway she might start with a 3 ft whip, then, I don't know when.

MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 6:24:31 AM)
quote: There's no buying $400 toys in a foreseeable future. I bought a $425 4 foot 24 plait signal whip last summer....it's still a gawdawful amount of money for a toy LOL...but it's a fabulous whip that I'll be able to use for years and years.

dorechan -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 6:25:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist By Bottom, I mean the person who will be receiving the whipping. And you need more than a maybe demo and a verbal explanation to go whipping someone all willy nilly. A friend of my partner "tried out" his 6 ft bullwhip on his sub's thigh and cut a 6 inch slash through her flesh. Your Top needs to PRACTICE on inanimate objects before she practices on your flesh, OK ... "top", "bottom"... We ain't boxes... She's my girlfriend, my baby, my little Princess. I'm her boyfriend, servant, slave, teddy bear (I should add massage therapist, manicurist, podiatrist...). quote: ...unless you like explaining to hospital personnel why you're bleeding profusely. I'm a bit clumsy, and very absent minded, so that wouldn't be a big achievement. I was attending a circus show and when I saw the lions I went and started petting them, but then I got in the way of the lion tamer's whip. Another question ?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 6:35:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dorechan OK ... "top", "bottom"... We ain't boxes... Top and bottom are generic terms used when describing relational positions of people during scenes.

KittenWithaTwist -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 6:35:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dorechan quote: ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist By Bottom, I mean the person who will be receiving the whipping. And you need more than a maybe demo and a verbal explanation to go whipping someone all willy nilly. A friend of my partner "tried out" his 6 ft bullwhip on his sub's thigh and cut a 6 inch slash through her flesh. Your Top needs to PRACTICE on inanimate objects before she practices on your flesh, OK ... "top", "bottom"... We ain't boxes... She's my girlfriend, my baby, my little Princess. I'm her boyfriend, servant, slave, teddy bear (I should add massage therapist, manicurist, podiatrist...). Slaves and servants are often referred to as bottoms in an S&M scenario, as they are usually the ones receiving play (ie: being hit with a flogger, being tied up, being spanked). The one performing the spanking, using the flogger, doing the tying is the Top. It isn't about boxes. It is simply an identifing term.

dorechan -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 6:38:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: dorechan OK ... "top", "bottom"... We ain't boxes... Top and bottom are generic terms used when describing relational positions of people during scenes. Thanks... I could need to know that when we go to an english speaking club [:D].

simplySnm -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 6:43:11 AM)
head all the warnings that every one has posted this far I was at the local dungeon one evening this new top was playing with a whip for the first time just cracking it in the air nex thing I know he has his bottom over ther on the floor throwing the thing at her then low and behold the bottom was wearing a stripe that lasted for a couple months almost broke the skin whips in the hands of inexpierienced handlers are Dangerous and can do alot of permanent damage to the bottom http://www.whipenthusiasts.org is a good source for good whip handling expierience it is about sport cracking not SM play but none the less it will teach you safe whip handling skills also there is a video by Roger Stevens singletails in the scene it is about SM whip play types of whips saftey and such http://www.singletailsinthescene.com I would highly recomend this video if you are interested in whips for SM use some one mentioned about the quality of whips from my understanding on this topic is you get what you pay for a cheap whip will not target well and will teach poor handling habits trying to get it to strike where you want it to go my recamendation would be a snake whip or a mini bull whip shot loaded of course so the cracker can be replaced if you intend to play with multiple partners there also is a signalwhip which the cracker is braded into the thong what you are paying for on a whip is the plaited (braided section) or thong of the whip and in whip terms this is the length of the whip not including the handle Bullwhip or Stockwhip the fall is a leather strip about 18 inches but differs with length of the whip narrowing or tapering my recamendation on cracker material is mason line I like the chartruse green (easier to see in dark places use the braided instead of twisted string use a piece about 9" long place the fall end in your right hand make a loop on one end of the cracker about 1" and lay it on the top of the fall rotate the loop going to the handle now take the fall end and place it thru the cracker loop and pull tight Walla you now have a 6 or 7 inch cracker with no knots to dammage the skin if you are to deep or it gives you a largr margin or error with you depth signals have about 2 inches of cracker before you get to a knot did I mention knot dents looks like little BB shots on the skin extreamly painful and to mention if you play at the speed of sound which is wherer I like to play a knot will cut the skin there fore probably breaking your toy if you break your toys you dont get to play with them anymore I havent mentioned practice it takes alot of time and dedication to learn how to throw a whip properly you will leave stripes hickies and abraisions on your self but one thing you can do is get some pool q chalk get 2 diffrant colers mark the cracker about 1 inch with one color and the rest with the other use a white terricloth towel hang it up some where you will see if you are striking your target too deep a good indicator to see where you are targeting also hang up toilet tissue and tear off little pieces from the bottom of it that is kinda messy though post it notes work well for targets as well it will also it will let your bottom see what you are capable of as a whip handler there is a place www.flogger.com that sell quality whips most are austrailian made kangaroo hide usally in stock if you go to a whip maker look forward to waiting several weeks for your whip to be made well I think I added my buck fifty Sir Steve

dorechan -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 7:07:08 AM)
quote: well I think I added my buck fifty Even a pound I think. I'll need a lot of them before we can play that kind of game... Thanks.

OscarHargraves -> RE: cracking a whip (1/20/2006 7:08:40 AM)
Let me reititerate what others have said. It takes LOTS of practice to use a bullwhip. And a cheap bullwhip is something for looks, (hang it on the wall or fireplace) not to use. You will never become proficient using a bullwhip by playing with that thing. I HIGHLY suggest that you find a real expert and get some 'hands on' instruction in the use of this tool. It is perfectly capable of removing flesh from your lady and/or doing real permanent damage. You COULD however practice with this one and learn how to pop it properly. I recommend that you NOT do this overhand since many people have lost a piece of their ear while trying this. A good instructor is still the best idea and then LOTS of practice in the backyard.

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