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New Here Seeking advice.... - 2/25/2009 11:38:32 AM   
MistressStephi


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I'm new to this forum, but I have no other idea of where to go to that isn't exactly gor affiliated to ask about r/t advice. I live with my slave, and I recently noticed, since I'm sort of new to this, its hard sometimes to ask her for time to spend together. Sometimes she'll say she needs something, (like computer time), and then When we do get to spending time together, she loves it when I take control then. How do I handle things when its not in the bedroom? I'd like the best advice possible. I noticed when I was being a "slave" when it came to doing everything, she really was feeling like she was walking on eggshells, (maybe because I wasn't comfortable). Then, when I switched it, to where I treat her and everything the same as the bedroom, just not with the bedroom additions, it seems so much easier. I need advice on the punishment stuff, and I need advice on why I cry sometimes. I need to know these things so it will better help our future intimate time. I think part of my being depressed so much has to do with this stuff. Everything I say she does, (I'm new to this lifestyle but I like being the dominant one). If I ever need anything, all I have to do is ask. I just want more reading info....than gor. I don't mind gor, and I've read up on that aspect for 5 years, but we mainly do bdsm and I could use alot of ideas and advice. Thanks so much for your time in advance!
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RE: New Here Seeking advice.... - 2/26/2009 8:36:18 AM   
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First, welcome to the forums... 

I read your post yesterday and my first thought was "...not getting into that!"   Please understand that some of the questions you have posted are not the sort of things that strangers on the internet are ever going to be able to really help you with.  Why you cry sometimes and are depressed is something you need to find out about yourself with deep introspection, and possibly a professional counselor.  If you are going to put yourself in a position of dominance over another, it is good to be consistently working on your own life and personal growth - you cannot effectively guide their life if you lose control of your own...

My advice to you is to read a lot here, go and find some good books on BDSM and relationships and read them.  I am guessing that others here can suggest some good ones.  The Ethical Slut is one that comes to mind for me...

Consider talking to a professional about your depression.  It may be a mental manifestation of a physical condition.

As to advice on punishment stuff...hopefully what you are doing with your girl is something that feeds both of you - both pleasure and pain, activity and stillness - and "punishment" is something that rarely if ever comes between you and she. 

I hope that helps... 

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RE: New Here Seeking advice.... - 2/26/2009 9:45:37 AM   
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I gave you an answer on your other thread that may very well apply to this one also.


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RE: New Here Seeking advice.... - 2/26/2009 2:15:49 PM   
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We can't really assess the emotional states of people we don't know. Tears can mean a lot of things. In BDSM, for example, a lot of times they are a sign of immense relief of pressure. In vanilla life, they are sometimes a sign of depression or anxiety.

As to a relationship of dominance--relationships are usually smoother and happier when people are getting what they want and need from them. If your submissive is happier and more comfortable when you take the dominant role both in and out of the bedroom, it's probably a sign that she is more comfortable when you provide that foundation for her.

As for her reticence about communicating--this is not unusual, and can usually be worked through when people are repeatedly shown that they can trust you to keep loving and caring for them, even when they tell you something you don't necessarily want to hear. This can be as simple as "no, I don't want to have sex right now" or "no, I don't particularly like that restaurant/television program" to as complex as "no, I don't agree with the life path you have charted for us".




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RE: New Here Seeking advice.... - 2/26/2009 5:40:56 PM   
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with my M'lady she allows me to communicate fully with her. you slave may not be comfortable speaking to you. one thing is to allow for a way place and or time for your slave to speak fully and openly to you. if the communications are blocked then the other aspects will be fettered as well.this time of openness should go both ways as well. that way the 2 of you could get to understand one another better and learn what each other wants.

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RE: New Here Seeking advice.... - 3/4/2009 10:59:49 AM   
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Ms Stephi, I just read through your other post on ask a sub once again.
I have also noticed that on both threads you started you never came back to clarify or add something.
 
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ORIGINAL: MistressStephi

I'm new to this forum, but I have no other idea of where to go to that isn't exactly gor affiliated to ask about r/t advice.
First off, are you Gorean in orientation with your girl?
You want advice based upon "our (collectively)" real time experiences.
We then need your feedback !

I live with my slave, and I recently noticed, since I'm sort of new to this, its hard sometimes to ask her for time to spend together.
You fail to say if your "slave" is also "new to this" as she is 39 and you are 27.

If you live together, what kind of time are you asking her to spend with you? This is rather confusing.

Sometimes she'll say she needs something, (like computer time), and then When we do get to spending time together, she loves it when I take control then.
As dominant, should you not be in control at all times?
I respectfully ask my Sir for something I need/want and he will allow or give me the reason why not.  We do not live together and I must say I do know he is in control.

How do I handle things when its not in the bedroom? I'd like the best advice possible.
There are many sites to go and read the responsibilities of dominants.  This site has many threads on such a topic.
Maybe you need to take a step back and put on paper what your responsible are and how you are going to accomplish them and have a sit down with your "slave" and request the same of her.  Then talk..... long into the night if need be and properly communicate.  I know my responsibilities as his submissive.  I know what he accepts and expects and I know what not to do, how to request, how to communicate and mostly I know my place as his property.
 
It seems you do not have this defined in your "relationship."   

I noticed when I was being a "slave" when it came to doing everything, she really was feeling like she was walking on eggshells, (maybe because I wasn't comfortable).
When you were "being a slave?"
This whole sentence makes for mass confusion in regards to your dominance and her submission.


Then, when I switched it, to where I treat her and everything the same as the bedroom, just not with the bedroom additions, it seems so much easier.
So she was once your dominant?  And as her "slave" you decided to be the dominant?

I need advice on the punishment stuff,
What is your definition of punishment?
There is a difference between discipline and punishment.

and I need advice on why I cry sometimes.
First off, generally women cry when their feelings and emotions have maxed out.  Men tend to analyze.

I need to know these things so it will better help our future intimate time.
None of our responses will tell you how to "better help" your "future intimate time" with your "slave."  You create this from your personalities and the type of relationship and communication you have with each other.

I think part of my being depressed so much has to do with this stuff. 
If you are truly "depressed" related to your relationship,
your communication and the concerns you have, is this relationship compatible to who you and she are as people?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/depression

Everything I say she does, (I'm new to this lifestyle but I like being the dominant one). If I ever need anything, all I have to do is ask.
This is not what you said in the beginning.
its hard sometimes to ask her for time to spend together. Sometimes she'll say she needs something
When Sir asks for time with him, I response positively.
As dominant, why is it hard?  Assertive, compassionate, yet demanding control is difficult?  I can only assume once again it is based on your ages and the fact that I get the impression you exchange roles??

I just want more reading info....than gor. I don't mind gor, and I've read up on that aspect for 5 years, but we mainly do bdsm and I could use alot of ideas and advice. Thanks so much for your time in advance!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domination_and_submission_%28BDSM%29

http://www.geocities.com/enactcane/Mainmenu.html

http://www.wizdomme.com/

http://www.wizdomme.com/infopack/mistakes.shtml

http://www.the-iron-gate.com/essays/3
Qualities of a successful dominant
http://www.the-iron-gate.com/essays/tag/249

http://www.submissiveloving.com/
This is one of my favourite sites, for refreshment and when I was a newbie.
 
Loving Dominant is also a great book.
 
Good luck.

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RE: New Here Seeking advice.... - 3/6/2009 8:02:10 PM   
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Could it be your feeling confused from switching roles?

Maybe your question might be answered more on the switching forum?


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RE: New Here Seeking advice.... - 3/8/2009 8:46:05 AM   
MistressStephi


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Thank you for all the wonderful information RealSub, While I don't have time to answer all your questions, I will do my best to answer what I can. And to Deviant, I didn't know my "nitch" I guess would be the word in bdsm, or gor, because in gor, you need to start off as a Slave, before you become anything else if you are female, at least to what I was told. (I was lead in by a man.) I later found out you can start off as a FW, (Free Woman)...but that wasn't until I was already 5 years into what I knew online. I noticed online when we were in group chats, I mainly went to slave when I was under a lot of pressure. It felt good not to be able to think, or do, or have to worry about anything other than pleasing my mistress...but I've no longer felt that same feeling for a while now, and I find this is more of a comfortable fit, but it is still somewhat new to me. I am trying to learn all I can, just as I did when I was a Slave, (Kajira).

First off, are you Gorean in orientation with your girl?
You want advice based upon "our (collectively)" real time experiences.
We then need your feedback !

We discussed this, and decided to keep it bdsm until she learned everything she could about Gorean lifestyle, and then decide...She has been doing really well as far as learning bara, sula, etc. I think that part is overwhelming for her...And yes, based on real time experiences, and I am happy to give feedback when I can.

You fail to say if your "slave" is also "new to this" as she is 39 and you are 27.

If you live together, what kind of time are you asking her to spend with you? This is rather confusing.

I apologize, as the post was long I didn't want to seem to ramble, and I know I neglected to mention bits and pieces. My slave is new to it in r/t, she isn't new to it online, but has only encountered it once online that she has told me of with another, and we were in group chat then.

By time I am asking her to spend with me is the loving part of our relationship, I don't feel I should ask for this, and feel it odd to mention when I want it, because I feel being dom means I should be able to tell her when I need it, instead of asking...but then again I could be confused as to that part. I noticed online, I get a bit irritated when she says she wants me next to her, but when I glance at something she says and I get bothered by it and mention it, she well, says I pretty much shouldn't be looking at it if I didn't want to get mad...but its things like, "Is steph here, and the answer would be always" and I take offense to it because often its the tension associated with it being a bad thing...I don't feel thats right, but its argumentative when I bring it up, like I took it wrong.

As dominant, should you not be in control at all times?
I respectfully ask my Sir for something I need/want and he will allow or give me the reason why not.  We do not live together and I must say I do know he is in control.

Yes, I know this and often try to maintain it, but its hard when training her, I don't know how to train on some things without being frusterated...The things that really make me happy, and the things that she tries to do, always make me very happy, and I can see she is trying to be a good slave, but some things are frusterating when it comes to training, like in the r/t instances. I know most don't live together, but we have a relationship that is beyond the Mistress/Slave role, and I think that can be confusing, but we love each other that much.

When you were "being a slave?"
This whole sentence makes for mass confusion in regards to your dominance and her submission.

Yes, it does seem confusing, she and I both didn't like it when I went to playing the slave role, but we found out it was meerly due to family influences, and I haven't looked back to wanting to do that ever again...I just don't feel comfortable in that role, although I thought it made me feel better when things were down, it truly didn't.

So she was once your dominant?  And as her "slave" you decided to be the dominant?

We were in a three person chat, in a house thing, and I opted to be their slave, to still talk to her, and be around her because I loved her, but didn't want to cause too many problems. They eventually broke up, and we talked about how we wanted to handle things. She said she didn't like being dominant and in control one bit, but I love being dominant and in control...so we talked about that, other interests, and many other things before making a move completely with each other.

First off, generally women cry when their feelings and emotions have maxed out.  Men tend to analyze.

Thank you for letting me know, in the Lesbian world, I am very butch, and I don't understand half of the feminine women when they are really girly and the emotions and the expressions and stuff like that in social situations...I try to, but I don't get along too well with those types. I've often been told I fit in the andro classification.

This is not what you said in the beginning.

I apologize, sexually everything I need is always fulfilled, but if I were to parsay, ask for a glass of water or something like that, there might be some hesitation, but I do what I can around the house when I can, she goes to work, and I stay at home, and do my home business.

When Sir asks for time with him, I response positively.
As dominant, why is it hard?  Assertive, compassionate, yet demanding control is difficult?  I can only assume once again it is based on your ages and the fact that I get the impression you exchange roles??

Its not hard for me to be assertive, compassionate, and demanding control, I also have a lot of fun with the pain/pleasure aspect. I do believe some of the issues are based on ages, and we extange roles outside the bedroom, and when she isn't wearing her collar. I sort of feel lost then because I am out of my comfort zone and I don't know where exactly I fit in when that happens.

Anyway, I hope this information helps, Let me know if you have any ideas, and thanks for your interest in my post!


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