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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (2/27/2009 6:40:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirandMadam I am not sure which forum this belongs in, so I am posting it here as I don't usually contribute to forums, but I am wondering what the CM policy is on what advertisments are considered acceptable. Did anyone else open the CM login page today and find themselves shocked by the advertisement for a website called publicdisgrace.com, showing a girl apparently being forcefully sexually molested? I am not in favour of censorship in general but this appears to be depicting, and possibly encouraging, what appears to be a traumatic assault on an unwilling third party. (They're porn sites....trust me...they're not unwilling).

Racquelle -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (2/28/2009 1:58:23 AM)
Oh, I wasn't debating collarme's justification in their ad choices versus profile restrictions - just noting and laughing at the dichotomy. (I see far more graphic member photos here than ones I have had rejected - that is also kinda funny.) In any case, this gets me thinking about "Community Standards". I enjoy porn, adult images, erotica - what have you. I also respect that people who find it distressing have a right to ask not to be exposed to it. Porn is private. I support that. Recently a man in Florida was busted and the chief complaint was that something he was doing violated community standards of decency. Remarkably, they subpoenaed records of google search terms and their prevalence in the local community. Their point was that the REAL community standards are that people enjoy porn. I am not able to adequately describe the case at this late hour, but I think they made a good point. People, in private, enjoy porn - that's the community, those are the standards. Now that we have a way to disclose the truth about how people in the community really feel...changes the nature of the argument.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (2/28/2009 2:18:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: SirandMadam I am not sure which forum this belongs in, so I am posting it here as I don't usually contribute to forums, but I am wondering what the CM policy is on what advertisments are considered acceptable. Did anyone else open the CM login page today and find themselves shocked by the advertisement for a website called publicdisgrace.com, showing a girl apparently being forcefully sexually molested? I am not in favour of censorship in general but this appears to be depicting, and possibly encouraging, what appears to be a traumatic assault on an unwilling third party. (They're porn sites....trust me...they're not unwilling). The part that is disturbing is that these images validate the idea that forcing someone (usually a woman) is somehow acceptable. I know there are those whose kink involves fantasy rapes (i.e. not a real rape but one acted out by consenting adults) and the like, and hey, whatever floats your boat in the privacy of your own home is up to you - as long as it's legal. I'm not talking about that sort of kink. I'm talking about those whose fantasy is to actually force the unwilling. Very few, perhaps, but I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that these sorts of crimes are in greater percentages than in generations past. Even with staged photos/videos, I find it troubling that these sorts of images are portrayed as anything but unacceptable.

WyldHrt -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (2/28/2009 2:55:56 AM)
quote: What I don't like is how now CM places ads smack in the middle of two emails (as in when you hit "reply" and the whole email conversation shows up) or smack in the middle of profiles. It's intrusive, obtrusive and annoying actually. Odd, I've never had that happen. What browser are you using, BSB? I use Firefox, and all the ads I see are to the right or at the bottom of the page, where they should be.

SirandMadam -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/2/2009 1:24:25 AM)
Exactly, DD. If these images are shown repeatedly, if no one objects, what is portrayed becomes unremarkable.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/2/2009 6:41:17 AM)
You mean consensual non-forced "forcing" is a problem if it's visible... but the economic pressure on third world webcam girls and sologirls to sell images of their bodies is ok, because you can't see their hungry families on the screen? Your position is an upper-income whitebread one, and it is highly unlikely that you know anyone who has actually done porn, much less fetish porn. I have two fetish model friends in real, as well as online acquaintances I know primarily through this site. Let me tell you, you are ragging on one of the best-paying, most conscientious employers in the business. Stop thinking about the photo as an "image," and start thinking about what it takes to make a scene happen. Far greater force, exploitation and nonconsensuality can be found in the vanilla pictures of streetwalkers from Mexico City or Bangkok. I'd rather see publicdisgrace on my home page any day.

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/2/2009 7:03:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: What I don't like is how now CM places ads smack in the middle of two emails (as in when you hit "reply" and the whole email conversation shows up) or smack in the middle of profiles. It's intrusive, obtrusive and annoying actually. Odd, I've never had that happen. What browser are you using, BSB? I use Firefox, and all the ads I see are to the right or at the bottom of the page, where they should be. You know what? I made a mistake. It isn't in the middle of emails. It's in the middle of peoples profiles...

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/2/2009 9:45:51 AM)
~FR~ Funny that people complain about BDSM porn ads on a FREE BDSM personals site. Nah I do not find it uncomfortable, I find it rather a turn on.

SirandMadam -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 8:55:03 AM)
I have two real-life friends who have suffered violent sexual attacks which were so awful I am not going to detail them. Their lives have been permanently affected. Are such acts more or less likely to happen if they are depicted in adverts and allowed to pass without comment? I agree there are far worse things than being a well-paid fetish model. There are parts of the world where violence towards women is prevalent. Can our society oppose this whilst condoning the use of such images (regardless of how much or how little the models are paid) as an advertisement?

SirandMadam -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 8:59:36 AM)
Please do feel free to take your own advice: presumably no one is forcing you to look at this thread. After all, it isn't as though it is on the front page where you can't avoid seeing it...

RainydayNE -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 9:01:52 AM)
i actually kinda like the public disgrace thingies =p hahaha there's one on free-hardcore that features a chick and a bunch of guys in a boxing ring. it's actually quite enjoyable =p (stands up yes i'm a chick and i sometimes view pornographic content) this is a BDSM BOARD. =p holy schnikies.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 9:15:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirandMadam I agree there are far worse things than being a well-paid fetish model. Again demonstrating your ignorance. Fetish models work part time, and have real jobs. Anyone who wants to do porn full time must have sex (especially anal sex), or she won't pay the rent. Getting tied up, tickled, spanked, or being a panty girl is a way to make a few extra bucks. You are not the only person who knows rape victims. The difference between us, however, is that I care enough about the problem to educate myself about it (and to donate money and volunteer time), and you appear to be limiting your giveadamn to stating opinions without caring about hard data. The countries with the most severe anti-woman laws and actions also tend to be the countries with the most severe anti-pornography laws. If you care about mistreatment of women, do something that matters. Currently, you aren't.

RainydayNE -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 9:18:25 AM)
there are people here on this board who ARE rape victims and not all of them are negatively affected by the images.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 9:36:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirandMadam Please do feel free to take your own advice: presumably no one is forcing you to look at this thread. After all, it isn't as though it is on the front page where you can't avoid seeing it... No actually I like this Thread I just don't agree with you. I have an opinion of Censorship. Had these sites been showing Actual Rape I would feel different. To Censor or want something Censored that is what is allowing you to be on a site for free seems odd to me. CollarMe is Free because those Ad's help to pay the costs of running a site like this. A site that is very OPEN about Sexuality and Kink, the things that can be discussed here can be far more Graphic. On that note I would like to ask do you object to the concept or the Image because discussion of these things happens here DAILY and some people have very graphic things written on thier Profile which also comes up before you log in. Do you Object to the Text as well as the Image or just the Image? Steel

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 9:50:37 AM)
quote: I have two real-life friends who have suffered violent sexual attacks which were so awful I am not going to detail them. Their lives have been permanently affected. Are such acts more or less likely to happen if they are depicted in adverts and allowed to pass without comment? You're making a valid point. Frankly many of the people beating up on you for your views are showing their ignorance. Especially self-righteous folks that don't know you and are castigating you for doing nothing, when they couldn't possibly know if that's true. The people or person who did it, know who they are. Well maybe they won't seeing how they're so busy with their rape crisis center work.[8\|] It has been argued by many noted psychologists, social services professionals, law enforcement professionals, and feminist activists that simulated violence in pornography contributes to actual violence towards women. So you're not alone in your views, and I find your point of view to have some merit. Personally, I'm not a fan of the overwhelming majority of pornography. I find most of it to be cheesy, boring, and frankly unsexy. Like you, I find some pornography to be completely revolting. Now this is a free site, and they do make their money with advertising. No biggie, I ignore it. It's just like billboards, after awhile you don't even notice they're there. Anyway, stick to your guns. Not a damn thing wrong with having a differing opinion.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 10:28:00 AM)
Sure our society can. Are you saying that people are too stupid to have the moral compass to determine things for themselves? quote: ORIGINAL: SirandMadam I have two real-life friends who have suffered violent sexual attacks which were so awful I am not going to detail them. Their lives have been permanently affected. Are such acts more or less likely to happen if they are depicted in adverts and allowed to pass without comment? I agree there are far worse things than being a well-paid fetish model. There are parts of the world where violence towards women is prevalent. Can our society oppose this whilst condoning the use of such images (regardless of how much or how little the models are paid) as an advertisement?

RedMagic1 -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 10:28:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Especially self-righteous folks that don't know you and are castigating you for doing nothing, when they couldn't possibly know if that's true. The people or person who did it, know who they are. Well maybe they won't seeing how they're so busy with their rape crisis center work.[8\|] Passive aggressive refusal to mention me by name. My statement was that SirAndMadam was not currently doing anything about the problem. "Currently" means "now," and "now" SirAndMadam is posting to a message board that has nothing to do with CollarMe policy. Objectively, that is a useless, impotent gesture, as nothing will change. I would appreciate it if you did not allow your personal issues with me to spill over into thread after thread.

GreedyTop -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 10:30:08 AM)
as a rape victim (twice), I do not find the images offensive. I do not think that the images encourage or glorify (non-consenual) rape.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 10:47:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou It has been argued by many noted psychologists, social services professionals, law enforcement professionals, and feminist activists that simulated violence in pornography contributes to actual violence towards women. So you're not alone in your views, and I find your point of view to have some merit. However after many many many studies done there is no proven connecteion between Violent Pornography and Violence against women. In Fact most activists will make claim to such that does not exist, and there is argument that were Internet Useage is at it's highest are in areas where Rape has declined since 2004 and in areas where Internet usage is at it's lowest Rape has inclined. Even this isn't Valid beause you cannot state what the individual is doing while on the net eventhough Viewing Pornography is statistically a high possibility. The point is that there is no proof. It is Simply Opinion and Belief. If you want to check my Facts I got them from Penn&Tellers Bullshit! which discussed the war on pornography and the leaders in the industry and the information that they themselves gave admitted outright there is no proof to any one of thier claims it is simply an opinion. It was a GREAT episode Lots of In your face Images and the question why is this wrong for everyone when not everyone is bothered by those images. Steel

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Does this image make you uncomfortable? (3/3/2009 10:47:45 AM)
quote: Passive aggressive refusal to mention me by name. My statement was that SirAndMadam was not currently doing anything about the problem. "Currently" means "now," and "now" SirAndMadam is posting to a message board that has nothing to do with CollarMe policy. Objectively, that is a useless, impotent gesture, as nothing will change. She stated her opinion, and that is what people do in internet forums. Anyone who is realistic doesn't believe they are changing the world in an online discussion board. Currently means now? How do you know the OP doesn't give money or time to help rape victims? You attacked her in one sentence, and then boasted about your contributions to society. Maybe the OP chooses the route of humility with her charity. If so, that would be the more admirable way to go. quote: I would appreciate it if you did not allow your personal issues with me to spill over into thread after thread. Don't flatter yourself. I don't know you from Adam; we have no personal issues. I don't get personal here.

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