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Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 5:16:00 PM   
Chaingang


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Status: offline 		dig·ni·ty. noun
plural dig·ni·ties

1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
3. a. Poise and self-respect. b. Stateliness and formality in manner and appearance.

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Just trying to help here, it felt like some people needed a refresher course.



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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 5:20:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was having similar thoughts. An image of Nixon 'departing with dignity' after resigning, flashing that silly 'V' sign, popped into my head. Dignity, indeed.

Bob

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 5:29:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good work, Chaingang.
Many of us need to see that. Some gentle reminders and nudges are good.


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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 6:36:37 PM   
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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 6:56:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

dig·ni·ty. noun
plural dig·ni·ties

1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
3. a. Poise and self-respect. b. Stateliness and formality in manner and appearance.

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Just trying to help here, it felt like some people needed a refresher course.

thank you for your most appropriate and timely thread posting. it's greatly appreciated, and respectfully welcomed by me; it's been a "terrible horrible no good very bad day."

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 6:59:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

dig·ni·ty. noun
plural dig·ni·ties

1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
3. a. Poise and self-respect. b. Stateliness and formality in manner and appearance.

...

Just trying to help here, it felt like some people needed a refresher course.





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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 7:43:59 PM   
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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 8:07:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nendarye
sometimes all that is left is dignity


No, wrong.

Dignity is something to aspire to, it's not something you automatically have when all else fails you. It requires worthiness. It must be attained.

Got that?


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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 8:18:32 PM   
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Thank you SO much for posting this!

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 10:45:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Dignity is something to aspire to, it's not something you automatically have when all else fails you. It requires worthiness. It must be attained.



I dunno... I kind of thought of dignity in a manner like respect... The more you give it to others, the more you can carry around for yourself.

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 11:07:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: samwise213
I kind of thought of dignity in a manner like respect... The more you give it to others, the more you can carry around for yourself.


Do you give away respect, or do others earn it from you? Do you earn it for yourself, or is it just granted freely?

I generally treat others respectfully unless I know well enough to do otherwise, but I do not actually respect them - that's called being polite. To be respected they must earn such respect from me. And it's no different in considering how I relate to myself - I don't act like shmuck and then pat myself on the back for it. If I maintain self-esteem and a certain level of dignity, it's because I am earning it from myself to myself.

Allow me to be even more didactic: to earn respect one must first act with dignity.


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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/20/2006 11:29:07 PM   
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you are gonna have a tizzy again........

but

isnt this one of those...
depends on where you are standing..as to what it means?
and i aint talkin the stupid dictionary.
i am talking about what it actually is..
i know many people have THEIR definition..
i got mine.


some i know it concerns being nude or not.
to ME..even THAT has 2 meanings.
i know SOME have no issue being stark as naked...they feel they have dignity..
i feekl if "I" walk into an area..and there people naked..i feel they lose their dignity by allowing themselves to look that way in front of strangers..
just MY take on it.
right or wrong.

finding words in a book is ok i guess...but i prefer my own definitions..piss on that dictionary.
i live by my own set of rules.



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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/21/2006 8:28:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

finding words in a book is ok i guess...but i prefer my own definitions..piss on that dictionary.
i live by my own set of rules.


You'd never make it through the Supreme Court confirmation hearings with this kind of radical thinking.

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/21/2006 8:39:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

finding words in a book is ok i guess...but i prefer my own definitions..piss on that dictionary.
i live by my own set of rules.


You'd never make it through the Supreme Court confirmation hearings with this kind of radical thinking.


I don't see it as radical. To me, it's just a brazen defense for intellectual laziness.

Bob

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/21/2006 10:54:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: veronicaofML
i know many people have THEIR definition..
i got mine.
finding words in a book is ok i guess...but i prefer my own definitions..piss on that dictionary.
i live by my own set of rules.

i suppose we could all just live by our own set of rules, and enjoy the chaos and rampant run of ruthlessness that would ensue, or we could agree to a general standard by which our behaviour could be held; even if it's our own set of standards, they are still standards.

for me, i'll go with the book as cited by Chaingang. anyone else is certainly free to go by their own, with the understanding of potential consequences that may result from societies.

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/21/2006 11:09:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dignity is a two-edged sword. i have seen poor people treated with such disrespect and lumped together as a bunch of under-achievers. The people who do this are hellbound, i hope. i have seen wealthy people agonizing over a child or s'thing and seen others treat their wounds are immaterial because they had wealth. Who amoung us would not give up wealth to save a child? It is not always possible...money does not insulate you from sorrow.

i have of course seen people disrepected for their ethnicity; religon; language; etc. etc. Those bigots are going to hell too i hope.

To me, dignity is an innate trait; it cannot be taken away no matter how distressed your circumstances. By virtue of being human, you have dignity and worth (unless you act outside the pale.).

So i'm with Bob; the dictionary is FUBAR; we all know dignity when we see it; we all crave the respect we are due; and at times, we all get f**ked over due to some reason or another.

candystripper

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/21/2006 11:17:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Candy, great post!
Where have you been hiding? We have missed you!

Dignity,,,hmmmm I know many who think they have it. They are allowed to think!

Peace, Kevin

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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/21/2006 11:38:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper
So i'm with Bob; the dictionary is FUBAR; we all know dignity when we see it; we all crave the respect we are due; and at times, we all get f**ked over due to some reason or another.


I don't think Bob said that, if he did then it is I that misunderstood him.

As for the rest, I could spend a long time trying to figure out what classism, poverty, wealth, etc have to do with any of this. As usual, I find you practically incoherent. I also believe that all human beings have worth, but not all human beings are dignified. I think we have seen some recent examples of rather undignified behavior in case you need any. How much undignified behavior must a person exhibit before we consider him or her an undignified person? I suppose that's a subjective call.

Dignity is a state of worthiness, a mode of behavior. It has to do with how you carry yourself and how you act. Again, it is not automatic. I find it interesting how desperately people seem to want certain things just because - without even having to earn it. But, sorry - no dice. Dignity is not innate any more than every school kid deserves an "A" automatically for his or her work.

It is possible to be maltreated and yet still be dignified in one's comportment. Is that what you were after? I could agree with that.




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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/21/2006 2:56:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		If i may expand a little more on the OP:

One often hears about Grace and Dignity going together. Most of the time, when i think of someone diginified, there is an element of Grace in my perception, and vice-versa.

However, now that i think about it, there is a distinction. One can be dignified, and not graceful. Can one have Grace and not be dignified? i guess so.

If Dignity is the structure of the carriage and presence a person has, it is self-contained. That person does not have to interact or give others respect or a sense of dignity for themselves. Maybe Grace is a sort of lubricant that allows people to function among other humans, with or without Dignity?

The more stately and formal a person is, the more Dignified. The more approachable, and tangible to the masses they are, the more graceful. It may not be dignified to spit and spat and feed discord, but it is Grace that counteracts it. So Dignity is great, but Grace has more of my votes.

i have seen people who are very proud of themselves, and should be, and who carry themselves with a great deal of Dignity. They command respect, maybe not verbally, but in the way they carry themselves.

Then there are the people who are LOVED and respected.

Does Dignity breed love and respect? Maybe not. But Grace does. And the person who has walked through many of the worst scenarios with Grace AND Dignity? Well, they hold much of my admiration. Yes, someday i want to be seen as possesing Grace AND Dignity.



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RE: Dignity Defined - 1/21/2006 3:35:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Just trying to help here, it felt like some people needed a refresher course.


Like I've always said, grace and dignity are beneath me.


(I'll take a six-pack and a Lazy Boy over those any time.)

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