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Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch women in... - 2/28/2009 5:22:08 AM   
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We have been searching for quite a while for a bisexual submissive/switch woman. At first we dont want her to live with us, we want to start off slow...she may never live with us. It is a new kind of experience for us. Why cant we find anyone? Can anyone give us any advice on how to find more women like we are looking for? Know any meeting places or sites we can go to, to meet  people??
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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 5:30:01 AM   
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And what are you offering her? Your profile is all about what you want, nothing about why she would be better off waiting for you to call instead of being with someone who wants her.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 5:33:15 AM   
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You're right. I guess we never thought of it that way. me being a sub myself, i should have thought of that. But aside from that, we cant seem to find bisexual sub/switch females in this area at all...interested or not.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 5:34:26 AM   
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After reading your profile I think you need to be very specific in what you are offering her and what is expected, some pictures wouldn't hurt either. I wouldn't rely on the internet to be your sole searching venue. I would get into my local groups and become seen and heard. Good luck to you.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 6:16:08 AM   
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I suspect part of the reason, is that those women who are listed as being bi, are already searching for someone for their own dominant.  If you were to open yourself (just you) up to join an established couple in the same situation you are in, I would expect you would get more responses than you could imagine.  

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 6:24:28 AM   
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  You should also note that there are extremely few hot, young bi-sexual women ANYWHERE. You narrow it furthur by specifying that she must be into poly. You narrow it way furthur by specifying that she must be into BDSM.If you started out with a pool of 100 random women, at this point, you're down to one or two.

Finding  a match for a couple is hard. First, you have to find a woman receptive to the idea. Then you have to convince her that you both really want it (frequently, it seems to me (while I was searching) that the female partner was just giving into the idea for the sake of the dom). Then you have to BOTH be a match for her...if you two remember back to when you were searching, you know how hard it is to find just a single match who is right for you and into BDSM.

Finding a third is hard hard work...she is a rarer creature even than a female dominant. Expect to spend years finding someone. Be happy with each other for now, so when she comes along things will be even sweeter. Finding a third won't fix things between you two if they're deteriorating. Many thirds seem to be looking for a free place to live along with two people to cuddle, so it might work best if you work on finding living space with a guest bedroom.

  Last but not least, whining about it on the forum isn't going to help you. Start chatting up female submissives, even ones that aren't looking for couples. Be real, be nice, and see if anything takes off (but don't expect it to). Offer friendship first, so they will feel comfortable when you move on. If you're just looking for a threesome, then try craigslist rather than collarme, you'll have much, much better luck.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 6:49:02 AM   
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From what I've seen, the vast majority of bisexual submissive women who are interested in a poly relationship want to be the primary or first partner, not the second one brought in.  They want to be the one who still has a relationship if the second woman brought in doesn't work out.  In other words, it is NOT easy to find that someone to join you, especially since you want to keep it as a play activity at first. 

Heck...finding anyone to join an established couple is not easy.  We've been looking for a male or female submissive to join us for nearly 3 years.  So far we haven't found even one who might meet our very specific criteria.  We did have a male submissive years ago who was part of our family, however, he met a very dominant vanilla lady who hunted, fished, and road motorcycles.  He couldn't help but fall in love with someone who enjoyed all the activities he enjoyed  and now they are married.  

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 10:15:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: deviantcouple14

We have been searching for quite a while for a bisexual submissive/switch woman. At first we dont want her to live with us, we want to start off slow...she may never live with us. It is a new kind of experience for us. Why cant we find anyone? Can anyone give us any advice on how to find more women like we are looking for? Know any meeting places or sites we can go to, to meet  people??


Well, here's what we know.

We've had about 15 responses to our ad here, and we haven't gotten those contacts to the point of meeting yet. Many of the wonderful people who contacted us did evaporate from contact shortly after initial contact... so we aren't stealing all the women :P

But we have had responses. And it's fun searching.

We really believe the success rate here, on alt.com, fetlife, or bondage.com is going to be lower than is was face to face. Some of the folks here on the site that might answer your ad are just *beginning* the alt-lifestyle journey. So don't expect that someone who shows interest is actually ready to build a relationship (I say this because if they haven't been around other poly groups they have no idea what to do and it gets a bit scary and overwhelming)

So how did we get the responses? Here's our method:

1. Write a good profile, we define that as a profile you *really* believe in.

2. Include photos.

3. Include a video of you and your partner.

4. Hit the site once a day.

5. Be active on the forums (we've made a great number of contacts because of posts we have made).

6. Don't give up hope.

We've had better experience with submissives/slaves who have contacted us rather than mails sent out. In most cases they have read what either of us have posted on the forums, read the ad, watched the video, and have a fuller understanding of what and who we are.

As far as alternatives to Collarme, there is fetlife.com, which is not designed as a personals site but rather a discussion site. We've at various times have tried Alt.com, Bondage.com, Adult Friendfinder, and have even gone so far as to contact a few people in the swing community about the prevalence of single female swingers who might be into a long term relationship (The feedback we got from them was that due to the structure of our relationship, a cock monogamous female, we have less than zero chance). My partner's cock monogamy limit (it's hers) cuts us out of the swing community for the purposes of poly- but there is a good bit of SM and D/s in that community.

However, if you are in a relationship situation where cock monogamy is not an issue, you may find what you are looking for in the swing community given enough time.

The absolute best thing you can do, if you have that option or aren't already doing it, is to join a membership dungeon, or social club if there is one in your area. This can afford you the opportunity to meet people real time, get to know people over the long term, and *network*.

Best regards,

M.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 11:02:22 AM   
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I don't think a lot of people of any orientation are looking to serve couples.

So you'll hafta be very patient, and very proactive in your search. 

Add to that: you are in Arkansas! I mean, c'mon... Your odds will drop way down, in less populated, less open-minded areas. (Not trying to rip on Arkansas- it is lovely... But c-mon...)

Also I second what everyone else said. Your profile is to sell yourselves. Not make a list of demands. What's so great about you?

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 2/28/2009 7:21:46 PM   
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In addition it says that the dominant is 32 years old. Let's assume he's been dating since beginning high school and married only 2 years ago. So it took him 16 years to find someone to be his primary. Yet he expects to find a third in six months. Isn't going to happen.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 4:56:39 AM   
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Any particular reason that you removed your previous thread on this exact same subject?

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 5:56:59 AM   
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well i dont know what happened but there were some other replies, very rude btw, and i posted a comment back saying if you dont have helpful advice then keep it to yourself, but it sounded a lot more harsh than that and included a few select words. Apparently someone else deleted my stuff. who knows.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 6:10:53 AM   
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Honesty can come across as mean sometimes, so I'll say up front that I'm not trying to be mean.

Your profile doesn't so much appeal to a person as it does an object. At least that's how it reads to me. Back when I "looked", finding someone was never that difficult. The recipe had no magic involved. I'd write a profile description that wasn't so much about BDSM or experience or anything else, but more so about me and try to do it in an interesting way. Lol. If you think of reading as floating down a lazy southern river, what you want is a smooth ride that gets you to the end without too many bumps and leaves you with a good feeling. That good feeling often translated itself into wanting more after potential play mates had read a few hundred "down on your knees bitch" types of profiles. Somewhere in there, usually towards the end, I'd segue into enough D/s language to let them know I wasn't just sitting behind a keyboard somewhere playing out Dom/sub fantasies.

Then I'd start searching out the same... mindset, I guess. What I wrote potential contacts followed the same type of roadmap as the profile. I'd just talk to them, answer their questions, ask a few of my own, but mostly just spend the time to get to know them. Some people might consider that too slow, but it was fairly successful. I can honestly say I never met a woman I wanted time with that I didn't get time with. Met some I didn't want playtime with, but even then some of those turned out to be decent friends. And when I looked... I'd get about one or two paragraphs deep into a profile like yours before I clicked off it. Why? Well, because it always seemed so locked into what must be, what had to happen, a formula rather than actually... liking someone, being somewhat compatible with them, and having an idea up front whether or not you're going to be able to tolerate their idiosyncracies.

Face it, words in this medium are your first impression. It's not the lake house you live in, the whips hanging in the armoire, the neat suit nor hot skirt hanging in the closet. ExKat said it perfectly when she took you from 100 random women down to one or two. If you do that, you have to appeal to that one or two, or your odds just dropped into the decimal range. The fact is that out of that initial 100, there's probably several who wouldn't just fit the bill, but actually be someone you'd enjoy and be someone you could walk down that path with, rather than someone who will be sitting at the destination waiting on you. If that last sentence didn't make sense, what it means is that you've identified a point along the road that is a destination in a sense. They must be this, must be that, must not only accept you but the fact that "He will instruct and guide and blah, blah, blah:"

That's eye-roll material because "He" will do absolutely nothing unless the person on the other end not only contacts you, finds some common ground with you, and can tolerate not just you, but the fact that the He in this equation has already decided he's going to be a guiding force in their life.

Yeah, right.

Want some advice? Be people first. Pretty much, a Dom/sub couple means there's a He involved and, in your case, He likes his pronouns capitalized. It pretty much means there's a submissive involved. Anyone seeing that will get that out of it without a whole shitload of words to tell them there's a he and a submissive. Be people and look for people, not pre-canned objects.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 9:28:59 AM   
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OK, this is to all of you who say we took the wrong approach in the way our profile was filled out. Thanks to you it is now different, feel free to view. BUT, FYI we have been here before and we tried the "nice ppl" approach. The approach that said this is about you too that said we were serious and wanted someone as passionate about this lifestyle as we are, but guess what! IT DIDNT WORK. So that being said, we decided to take another approach. Now that we see this isnt the right way either, we decided to lean on the fellow members of this lifestyle to give us a little positive advice, but obviously all you have is criticism. How can you ever be helpful to someone if you are constantly downing them? answer me that. you say our approach was wrong, well so is yours.

To those of you who did give the kind, helpful responses, thank you very much. it will not be forgotten.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 9:59:58 AM   
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If you're looking online for anything - first thing to do ALWAYS is to grow a thick skin.   You got some good advice here, and responded by acting rather juvenile.

When you're dealing with a poly relationship, you're dealing with a lot more than just adding one person to the relationship - seems like it should be simple enough, right?  It isn't though.   If you have a relationship between 2 people, you're dealing with just that relationship dynamic.  If you add another, you not only have the relationship between "Person1 and Person2", but you also have to deal with the relationship between "Person1 and Person3", "Person2 and Person3", and between ALL three people....it's exponentially more difficult.  And ALL of those relationships have to work.   Any breakdown between any of those relationships threatens the triad as a whole.

There are a LOT of  m-f couples out there looking for a third f sub to join them...and I also know that there are not a lot of f submissives interested in such a situation.  Rather like looking for a needle in a haystack - so it's going to take a lot of patience and a lot of work to find that person who could potentially work with your situation. You're going to have to be really appealing to that f submissive - and offer something to that speaks to her that other couples do not.

Don't take it personally that people aren't interested in fulfilling the position you'd like them to, just as they shouldn't take it personally that you can't be what they are seeking. 

I've owned my female slave for 10+ years now, and have had a couple of male subs over that time that haven't worked out, so am looking again.  99.9% of the male subs out there are NOT a good fit for us, and that's fine.  If we never meet the one that does, then that's ok too.


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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 10:14:19 AM   
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what we are looking for is far from impossible. i have been in a poly household before myself. it was a short term kind of thing, but still yet. i am not completely ignorant. and responded by acting rather juvenile? lets see how you act when you ask for advice and get criticism instead. you can say what you want, but how do you know? none of you know our situation, what our experience is or isnt. we simply asked was there an easier way to meet females in our area. we did not ask you to tell us how to write our profile, or to tell us how we should present ourselves. we are who we are. im not going to go by a set list of rules that say "this is the bdsm lifestyle". it is a personal experience for each person. we dont need people telling us we should say what we offer or what have you. we say what we are looking for, if you arent it..go on. We did not ask for lectures from people who think they know it all. just some friendly advice about where to meet people. this post will be deleted. and um . thanks for NOT HELPING.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 10:24:09 AM   
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Your response is very clarifying.  

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 10:25:24 AM   
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quote:

FYI we have been here before and we tried the "nice ppl" approach. The approach that said this is about you too that said we were serious and wanted someone as passionate about this lifestyle as we are, but guess what! IT DIDNT WORK.


May I ask how long you tried this approach?  Was it years or a matter of a few months or weeks?  You see, it may and can will take years to find what you are searching for.  If the Dominant in this equation is 32, he certainly didn't find his perfect submissive as soon as he began to look.  A submissive just won't appear the moment..or the month when you begin your search.  If you aren't willing to give the time to the search that might be required, then your odds of finding what you want go way down. 

If you are very serious I do have a couple suggestions.  If there are no muches in your area, look for weekend munches that are within traveling distance.  Plan your vacation times so that you can go to events where you will meet submissives and might find one who is compatible with both of you.  Of course this means that she probably is not local.  Finding a third willing to be your experimental play toy who is also local if you do not live near a large city (that would have a munch) is slim.  However, you and she might be able to work out something where she travels to you for a weekend...and then you might travel to her. 

Time  Patience  Persistance 

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 10:30:12 AM   
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Mama always told me:  You catch more subs with self-control and charisma than you do with whines and bile.

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RE: Why so hard to find bisexual submissive/switch wome... - 3/1/2009 10:34:38 AM   
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quote:

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Mama always told me:  You catch more subs with self-control and charisma than you do with whines and bile.



Your mama was a smart woman.

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