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A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 12:36:25 PM   
SpinnerofTales


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Status: offline 		Ok...we've heard, very plainly, that there is some polite opposition to Barak Obama from the conservative among us. Well, it's only 3 years and 9 odd months till we get another shot at the polls. So my question is this:

Who would you say is a candidate that should be looked at and considered as a viable alternative? Jindal seems to have very greatly diminished his national political star (both the right and left wings seem to have considered his rebuttal a stupendous failure...as well as containing a flat out lie that would probably come back to bite him on the ass in any campaign).....Palin is likeable enough, but her political viability is questionable for both personal and policy reasons. So if I were going to ask "Who is the guy/gal who is going to lead out of this mess that I keep hearing you say Obama is going to put us into, who would I go google?


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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 1:16:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		We haven't actually had a candidate I considered a competant one for the presidency on either side for many elections now.  Obama/McCain was a lose/lose situation.  Bush/Kerry was lose/lose.  (Though would have been a bigger lose with Kerry at the time, though the why is out of the scope of this argument.)  And so on.

The only reason I might have hoped for McCain to have won this one was that a Democratic congress with a Republican president would have at least been 4 years of deadlock with little accomplished, which woulda been a far better situation than the abomination we have before us now.

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 1:20:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		      Way too many variables to make any sort of good call, Spinner.  Who, in February '04 would have imagined Obama being anything but Hillary Clinton's promising young veep nominee?

     I still like Rudy Giuliani, but I have no idea if he will take another crack at it.  I'm not impressed by any of the other obvious candidates in the field.

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 2:17:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Ok...we've heard, very plainly, that there is some polite opposition to Barak Obama from the conservative among us. Well, it's only 3 years and 9 odd months till we get another shot at the polls. So my question is this:

Who would you say is a candidate that should be looked at and considered as a viable alternative? Jindal seems to have very greatly diminished his national political star (both the right and left wings seem to have considered his rebuttal a stupendous failure...as well as containing a flat out lie that would probably come back to bite him on the ass in any campaign).....Palin is likeable enough, but her political viability is questionable for both personal and policy reasons. So if I were going to ask "Who is the guy/gal who is going to lead out of this mess that I keep hearing you say Obama is going to put us into, who would I go google?





I would hope that the republicans stick with what has worked so well of late:  Palin/Jendal.  Works for me.  They could ask Rush but he wouldn't take a pay cut to serve the public good.

One I would fear is Pat Buchanan.  He is a populist conservative who seems to actually have the good of the US at heart. An anomaly.


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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 8:40:54 PM   
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my problem with jindal is his fake katrina story.  dont take someone elses story and put yourself in the middle of it.



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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 9:19:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		The republicans are in a double bind: if they run someone who is truly a GOP fanatic for their ideology, they alienate the bulk of the country. If they run someone who is moderate, they gain centrist voters but the nutcase extremists in their own party will tear their candidate down.

Jindal wouldn't be able to get through to the primaries. The heavy hitters in his own party would eat him alive. And I think Palin has gotten burned pretty heavily by her poor choice to accept the position of running mate to McCain. God knows how much BS is still veined in that mine, waiting for the motherlode to be struck.

Hummm... who are the new, fresh faces of the GOP? You know, the ones that will appeal to the reasonable voters. The ones who can actually make people BELIEVE that shit their spewing?   ...oh, right.... THERE AREN'T ANY!

They'll just run some old white dude, who we'll find, has connections to racist organizations, or used his family connections to stay out of 'Nam or Korea, or who has drug convictions on his record... (Oh, wait, that was George Bush, wasn't it?)

Well, who knows? The American voting populace has been known to get the wool pulled over it's eyes before...

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 9:30:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Ok...we've heard, very plainly, that there is some polite opposition to Barak Obama from the conservative among us. Well, it's only 3 years and 9 odd months till we get another shot at the polls. So my question is this:

Who would you say is a candidate that should be looked at and considered as a viable alternative?


I have not seen a truely viable candidate in either party for some time now. You also use the term conservative blanketly. Someone can be a fiscal conservative, and a social moderate, which makes me an independent conservative. If you meant the republican party, you should say republican.

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Jindal seems to have very greatly diminished his national political star (both the right and left wings seem to have considered his rebuttal a stupendous failure...as well as containing a flat out lie that would probably come back to bite him on the ass in any campaign).....Palin is likeable enough, but her political viability is questionable for both personal and policy reasons. So if I were going to ask "Who is the guy/gal who is going to lead out of this mess that I keep hearing you say Obama is going to put us into, who would I go google?


Jindal is a joke, as is Palin.


I have been voting third party for some time now. Not because I believe they could win, but because I want to see more than two major players in the political game. Then again there really is only one major player, and that is the corporitist party.

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 9:39:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

We haven't actually had a candidate I considered a competant one for the presidency on either side for many elections now.  Obama/McCain was a lose/lose situation.  Bush/Kerry was lose/lose.  (Though would have been a bigger lose with Kerry at the time, though the why is out of the scope of this argument.)  And so on.

I have often wished that ballots had a option by which voters could reject the offered choices, so that it would be possible to compel the parties to put something better on the menu.
 
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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 9:40:04 PM   
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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 9:57:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
I have been voting third party for some time now. Not because I believe they could win, but because I want to see more than two major players in the political game. Then again there really is only one major player, and that is the corporitist party.


Quite true. Sadly, if we really want to change the system, we need to step outside of it. I question the potential for America's revolutionary cohesion, however. We are all complacently chained to the very wall we made.

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 10:33:20 PM   
Evility


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Status: offline 		I really don't favor any of the current likely suspects - I'll confess I supported McCain partially because I felt (and still feel) he was the lesser of the two evils. Putting him in office would simply have kept Obama out of it and now we're beginning to see why that was a good idea. I would love to see a non politico rise to the occasion in four years but with the way this essentially two party system we have works I don't see anyone getting through that stranglehold anytime soon. Unless things crash under this Democratic administration like I hope they won't but fear they will. Someone mentioned Rush - ugh - but I tell ya it would not take much arm twisting to get me to vote for Neal Boortz.

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 2/28/2009 11:47:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Evility

I really don't favor any of the current likely suspects - I'll confess I supported McCain partially because I felt (and still feel) he was the lesser of the two evils.



I got tired of doing exactly that, which is a big reason I didn't vote at all in this election. Kirata said something I've wished for before, namely that a none of the above would send both parties packing. I have no love for either one and even less respect for them.

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 3/1/2009 12:02:36 AM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		Reagan won not just once but twice.  The second time winning i think 49 states.  He was a true believer.
The democrats ran in 2008 a far left liberal a fanatic for there ideology but one without a track record.  Mr Obama won in 2008.  Obama had his connection to AFrican American racists like rev. wrigth but it didnt stop Barry.




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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

The republicans are in a double bind: if they run someone who is truly a GOP fanatic for their ideology, they alienate the bulk of the country. If they run someone who is moderate, they gain centrist voters but the nutcase extremists in their own party will tear their candidate down.

Jindal wouldn't be able to get through to the primaries. The heavy hitters in his own party would eat him alive. And I think Palin has gotten burned pretty heavily by her poor choice to accept the position of running mate to McCain. God knows how much BS is still veined in that mine, waiting for the motherlode to be struck.

Hummm... who are the new, fresh faces of the GOP? You know, the ones that will appeal to the reasonable voters. The ones who can actually make people BELIEVE that shit their spewing?   ...oh, right.... THERE AREN'T ANY!

They'll just run some old white dude, who we'll find, has connections to racist organizations, or used his family connections to stay out of 'Nam or Korea, or who has drug convictions on his record... (Oh, wait, that was George Bush, wasn't it?)

Well, who knows? The American voting populace has been known to get the wool pulled over it's eyes before...

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 3/1/2009 12:08:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just as no one other than a handful of democrat party insiders and supporters impressed with a speech at the democrat convention by Barack Obama, I think we will all be surprised at the presidential nominee for the republican party in 2012.  Actions and programs being taken by the Obama administration and the democrat Congress will have gone from slogans, promises and fantasy to their real impact on the economy, our culture, and the lives of all of us.  Where we are going is unknown...but if I was to pick up or down...my answer is..I'm worried...and don't even want to consider the downside.

If the vote was to be held "tomorrow"..I think Romney would be the guy and win all but three or four states. In only a little over a months time, Obama has energized the conservative wing of the republican party, the party I left because of its adoption of democrat spending and patronage politics.  We are already seeing backlash stemming from growing fears about the waste and pork, an out of control, dysfunctional Congress writing checks that are going to bounce higher than the ozone layer, and a man who is going in twelve different directions faster than a speeding bullet while he still has some political capital left to burn.


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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 3/1/2009 2:35:48 AM   
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In only a little over a months time, Obama has energized the conservative wing of the republican party


You mean the same way we were told Palin "energized" the Republican party?

In fact, I believe you were one of those that told us so.



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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 3/1/2009 4:13:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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In only a little over a months time, Obama has energized the conservative wing of the republican party


You mean the same way we were told Palin "energized" the Republican party?

In fact, I believe you were one of those that told us so.





Exactly...and thanks for remembering my posts.  Palin took a tired old man's tired old campaign and brought out tens of thousands of people..withhout the ned for "warm up rock bands".  In the end, it was McCain being a drag on the conservative base that allowed an inexperieced, but attractive charismatic demeaner, to garner 53% of the vote. 

Still McCain did get 58,343,671 votes and 173 Electoral votes..,,and that's a lot of Americans who are measuring Baracks "deeds", not words, his "distractions"...not agenda,...his "line by line elimination of waste as promised"....not his bending over to the commands of Pelosi and Reid.  So far, the new, inexperienced, idealogue who is now in the role of President, is showing just how naieve, if not a danger to the country, his administration is proving itself to be. Already one of the "star" supporters prior to November 4th seems to be showing signs of "buyers remorse" as Warren Buffet cautioned that Pelosi's huge spending program that Barack signed into law will lead us into further economic pain with significant high inflation.  (See Berkshire 2008 report to stockholders).

When the country is in pain...anyone can win a Presidency, as Jimmy Carter, probably the worst president of the 20th century showed.  . As Lawrence Shoup noted in his 1980 book The Carter Presidency and Beyond:

"What Carter had that his opponents did not was the acceptance and support of elite sectors of the mass communications media. It was their favorable coverage of Carter and his campaign that gave him an edge, propelling him rocket-like to the top of the opinion polls.

As Lawrence Shoup noted in his 1980 book The Carter Presidency and Beyond:

"What Carter had that his opponents did not was the acceptance and support of elite sectors of the mass communications media. It was their favorable coverage of Carter and his campaign that gave him an edge, propelling him rocket-like to the top of the opinion polls. This helped Carter win key primary election victories, enabling him to rise from an obscure public figure to President-elect in the short space of 9 months."

Substitute Obama for Carter...and you get the picture...

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 3/1/2009 5:39:56 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		Wow,tens of thousands.....that`s soooo huge!....

Then of course there was the fact that the cons lied about their numbers.

Could that have been b/c so few people showing up made them look weaker that wet TP,....or because there`s so many gullible folks for the GOP to lie to,their "base"?

Nice spin ,cory.

She absolutely killed McCain`s chances of being pres., in just a few weeks.

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 3/1/2009 6:11:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

Kirata said something I've wished for before, namely that a none of the above would send both parties packing. I have no love for either one and even less respect for them.



Ahhhh, the growing American consensus...

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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 3/1/2009 6:18:03 AM   
Owner59


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Just as productive.



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RE: A Question for Conservatives - 3/1/2009 6:27:11 AM   
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She absolutely killed McCain`s chances of being pres., in just a few weeks.


Owner, you can't kill what is already dead.  McCain was in a lose/lose situation.  Dubya had so many people so pissed off that Jesus could not have won as a Pub.  Add to that the fact that the Dems ran a candidate that we could vote "for" rather than asking us to merely vote against the other guy.  McCain's campaign was dead from the start.  Palin was merely the last nail in the coffin.

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