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Politesub53 -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 4:56:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: awmslave quote: What scary is you thinking Obama has built up this deficit in just a few weeks, and not being able to work out where the deficit actually came from. According to the White House estimates, the combined deficit for the four years 2009-2012 comes to $4.42 trillion. The net debt of the federal government, what it owes to individuals, businesses and foreign countries, will double, rising from $5.3 trillion to $11 trillion over the same period. Obama economic advisers think high federal spending will bring country out of recession. There is no proof huge deficit spending will actually do it. I think Obama himself has no clue what it means. Maybe but that still doesnt make the current deficit Obama`s fault, does it ?

awmslave -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 6:28:36 PM)
quote: Maybe but that still doesnt make the current deficit Obama`s fault, does it ? How can it be Obama's fault? That is not the argument. quote: So, to say that 'he has no clue' is ridiculous at best. Why so? Are you suggesting there is some kind of conspiracy, certain facts are hidden from public, or Obama's true intentions are to destroy US through debt accumulation. US will pay this year ~500 billion debt interest (compare to California 09/10 budget ~100 billion). If Obama doubles it by the end of his first term and the economy continues to shrink? He should consult with Nobel laureat J. Carter before listening to Nobel winner P. Krugman.

kittinSol -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 6:38:05 PM)
Of course, Obama's goal is to bring about the completion of the destruction of the entire system, thus ensuring the annihilation of the United States; because he is nefarious that way [8\|] .

Gwynvyd -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 6:40:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Of course, Obama's goal is to bring about the completion of the destruction of the entire system, thus ensuring the annihilation of the United States; because he is nefarious that way [8\|] . quick reply at least it will be an easy Job.. Dubbya gave him a great jump start on it. LOL Wankers. hugs kittin Gwyn

slvemike4u -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 6:45:01 PM)
ROFLMAO.....thanks ....

TheHeretic -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 6:50:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales The fact is, NOBODY has any experience being president until they are president. How about experienced with ANYTHING, Spinner? With the exception of his campaign, which was all about him, what has he ever run? When in his life has he held any sort of power and authority? When has he made a life and death decision? There are a number of reasons to be concerned about that. One concern is that he might freeze. His wife told a "charming" little story about him in her convention speech, about how he could barely drive a freakin car when he had the responsibility of his newborn in it (there was even a thread about it). When in his life has he been tested by fire? Another concern of someone who has never has his ideas of how things ought run tested will be faulty beliefs and assumptions. "Forgeting about the gravity" is the phrase I use to describe smart people, full of great ideas, but no actual experience with the nuts and bolts. Things aren't going to work the way he assumes they will, and chances are very good he has never encountered that. The Oval Office is not the place to be learning such a fundamental executive lesson. Here's an unsettling thought. We know from his writings that he liked cocaine. Power is the greatest drug on the planet, and a man who has never had any, is suddenly mainlining on all of it. What experience does he have in restraining that? What will it do to him, as the weeks turn into months and years in that office? Spin that.

kittinSol -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 6:51:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd at least it will be an easy Job.. Dubbya gave him a great jump start on it. LOL Wankers. hugs kittin Gwyn Big hugs, Gwyn :-). Haven't you heard? We're not supposed to mention Georgie Porgie anymore, now that he's gone. Apparently his record was erased the day he departed. It's now all Obama's fault.

Gwynvyd -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 6:56:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd at least it will be an easy Job.. Dubbya gave him a great jump start on it. LOL Wankers. hugs kittin Gwyn Big hugs, Gwyn :-). Haven't you heard? We're not supposed to mention Georgie Porgie anymore, now that he's gone. Apparently his record was erased the day he departed. It's now all Obama's fault. Well hell... since we cant mention Dubbya.. then they cant harken back to it was all Clintons fault riiiight? [8\|] Gwyn

kittinSol -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:02:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Power is the greatest drug on the planet, and a man who has never had any, is suddenly mainlining on all of it. What experience does he have in restraining that? What will it do to him, as the weeks turn into months and years in that office? Spin that. I'll do it [:D]. Obama is your Benevolent Dictator: He knows what's good for you. His power is all encompassing, of course, and I understand why such omniscience may be unsettling for you, especially after the recent departure of the powerless buffoon Bush (Rove and Cheney's puppett), but trust Us Libewals. Obama wants nothing but the best for you. He. Knows. The. Truth. You Will Be Grateful [8D] .

TheHeretic -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:07:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I'll do it [:D]. That might be the route to take. Turn the thread into fluff, so nobody will notice how those questions were run away from.

kittinSol -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:13:47 PM)
You presume to draw a psychological conclusion on a man you don't know personally because he has never been in power before: what do you expect, Heretic? A chorus of commiseration that the American people have just elected their very own Stalin?

rulemylife -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic How about experienced with ANYTHING, Spinner? With the exception of his campaign, which was all about him, what has he ever run? I am so tired of listening to this inane argument that somehow suggests a U.S. Senator is not qualified to be President because he did not "run" anything. What exactly does that mean anyway? The lame executive experience argument that we've heard so much about? In case it has escaped your attention, we have a legislative body that is an equal branch of government, that passes the laws we all live by. Somehow, that seems to qualify as "running things" for me. quote: Here's an unsettling thought. We know from his writings that he liked cocaine. Power is the greatest drug on the planet, and a man who has never had any, is suddenly mainlining on all of it. What experience does he have in restraining that? What will it do to him, as the weeks turn into months and years in that office? Spin that. No shit? He liked cocaine? Have you been living in a cocoon and somehow missed all the reports of Dubya's cocaine use? Not to mention he had to be "born again" because apparently he couldn't control his drinking.

TheHeretic -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:27:19 PM)
Fluff, Kitten. What conclusion did I presume? I asked questions. Questions I've seen go unanswered before in these forums. I understand. You're doing the best you can. Maybe somebody will give you a hug or high five? [8\|]

kittinSol -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:33:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Fluff, Kitten. What conclusion did I presume? I asked questions. Questions I've seen go unanswered before in these forums. No, you did not 'just ask questions'. Your 'questions' were orientated towards a doom and gloom scenario. [self-derision] Even I could see it. [/self-derision] An excerpt: quote: Heretic Here's an unsettling thought. We know from his writings that he liked cocaine. Power is the greatest drug on the planet, and a man who has never had any, is suddenly mainlining on all of it. What experience does he have in restraining that? What will it do to him, as the weeks turn into months and years in that office? Science fiction: is that what you do best?

SpinnerofTales -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:33:15 PM)
quote: That might be the route to take. Turn the thread into fluff, so nobody will notice how those questions were run away from. ]ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I won't run from your question, Heretic.....there's no need to. First of all, I find it reprehensible that you bring up the fact that Obama admitted that he experimented with cocaine as an argument for mistrust. Though I loathed and still loath Bush the Younger, I never stooped so low as to bring up his former drinking problems as a reason he was an unfit president. To try to tie the responsibilities and power of the presidency to a youthful experimentation with marijuana and cocaine is beneath you. Secondly, I will admit that he is young compared with other presidents. However, from all indications, he is a cool, rational, competent man who knows how to succeed in what he does. I can understand your concerns, but I think that so far he's shown that freezing isn't his style. You know, I would dismiss all your concerns out of hand except for one thing. When Bush took office, I was terrified that he was going to wreck our economy, destroy our foriegn policy and generally leave this country in a giant hole. And guess what, he lived up to every one of those fears. So keep your eyes on Obama...and if you see any signs of him freezing up or showing a sub standard learning curve, let us know. Oh..and by way of a side note, I respect Obama for admitting that he tried marijuana and cocaine rather than trying to hide it. While I liked Bill Clinton, I almost voted against him for that "I tried pot but didn't inhale"....it wasn't that I objected to his smoking or not smoking pot. I just didn't know if we could trust the country to a man who couldn't figure out how a joint worked.

Owner59 -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:33:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Why was I not informed about the decent nominee? You know, sometimes personal values and taste account for a lot in a person's evaluation of a politician. I still cannot understand how, to this day, there are still people out there who think George Jr. was a decent man, and I am even more puzzled that there are people out there still ready to defend his appalling, pathetic record as a president: yet, they somehow manage to pull that feat. Perhaps that is what you are experiencing when it comes to Obama, blank puzzlement? Obama was more than a decent nominee: he was positively stellar. And so says much of the world too [:)] . You have, of course, the right to not share this point of view. Edited for syntax. There is also those pesky details ,such as policy decisions,track record and vision for the future. Those are the reasons for President Obama win in a 1st election land-slide victory. His detractors seem a bit petty and shallow,calling him an elitist,just a pretty face and better than a good speaker. It crystallized when Obama did an extraordinary Q&A session with not the press,but with his republican critics face to face,along with top economist and other congressional leaders. Just look how small and petty McCain looks after trying to play gotcha over the helicopter thing. What we`re seeing here is leadership, in it`s rawest form. The president taking on his critics and making them put up,or shut up.It`s not that Obama is prettier than his opponents,or talks better, that makes him rise above them.It`s leadership and command.Things, that can`t be quantified or measured.You got it or you don`t. Then there was Eric Cantor,who takes credit for the 100% NO vote on the stim-bill.Just look how small he looks compared the president when asked,"Eric,you got some thoughts"? Cantor babbles,...Obama,..."next".lol, Can`t fake that stuff.lol What separates them, is the natural selection that happens when people are compared to one another.Doesn`t matter who they are or their what there status is. The cream rises to the top,all on it`s own.

TheHeretic -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:33:48 PM)
If you don't get the differences between legislative and executive power, RML, you are as qualified to answer the questions as our other contestants so far. Drag it off to attack Bush II some more. Would you be suggesting that the power didn't go to his head? Our "Decider?"

kittinSol -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:38:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Would you be suggesting that the power didn't go to his head? What head?

rulemylife -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:39:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: awmslave quote: Has he measured up to your expectations and, if so, could you share with us what you see that he has done to improve your life or the country that pleases you. So far for me Obama is the most frightening president I have seen: Trillions deficit spending is scary, US Congress leadership and recent practice how laws are passed is scary, bailouts, Ms. Clinton begging Chinese for money are scary etc.... Really? So you didn't find Bush taking the federal debt from under $5 trillion to over $11 trillion scary? You didn't find the $700 billion bank bailout Bush pushed through scary? You didn't find the fact we have been importing a record trade deficit from China throughout the Bush administration which labeled the country (and rightfully so) a major violator of human rights scary?

SpinnerofTales -> RE: A Question for liberals... (3/1/2009 7:40:33 PM)
quote: If you don't get the differences between legislative and executive power, RML, you are as qualified to answer the questions as our other contestants so far. ORIGINAL: TheHeretic So is your point that only those who have been Governer should be elected president. Allow me to point out a politician who served one term in the United States congress before being elected president. Abraham Lincoln. Now THAT was a president who froze under pressure, who didn't understand the consequences of his actions and who didn't do any good for our country at all...right, Heretic?

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