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Coldwarrior57 -> What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:23:32 AM)

Now that the disaster in chief is in , what happened to “GLOBAL WARMING”
Or did that just go away with W?
I have some interesting articles on the worlds temp, claiming they went flat .
Another one saying that a satellite was taking a bribe from al bore and under reported the polar ice cap by an area the size of California.

So where is the Global warming crowd?
Is it no longer important because there is a democrat in the office?




RainydayNE -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:25:16 AM)

i imagine people generally expect a democrat will take more account of alternative energies and other things that can (potentially) have a positive effect on the climate change issue. so maybe they don't feel such a need to sit and rant about it.



VirginPotty -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:34:26 AM)

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So where is the Global warming crowd?


[sm=idea.gif]Uhhhhh, I know, they melted!!!!



paul12000 -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:42:04 AM)

It's always been one big hoax. Those of us not smothered in bowing down to the government and all it's non-wisdom, we actually can follow the weather patterns and feel the effects of certain things. I live in Jacksonville, and we're cold yet once again. Talking about dipping into the 30's and 20's again tonight. With the recent blast of snow and cold all over the South and East coast, makes ya think hard on that, doesn't it? I believe since Al Gore, (brilliant scientist by the way, since we are to believe his idea), and his buddies finally taken over the White House, the news about our weather situation dropped, and now the news of how they are using tax money to buy up the banks they want to control, etc. (Politicians sure make great economists as well as scientists, apparently). Wonder what they going to try to do next, farming? We'll see them out in the farm fields telling the plants how to grow properly, since they've been doing it for years, and one of them made a mistake by dying. Unfortunately, this day and age, that's all it takes. One human being makes one major blunder, and the politicians will appoint themselves as automatic experts on how to deal with the mistake, instead of, like we've been doing over 200 yrs now, fixing it up on our own, learn from it, and avoid from doing it again. No, politicians, they walk in, look like they are concerned of the problem, make a law against the activity that the person had been doing, then ruining the fun for the rest of us that has been doing the activity for centuries with no problems what so ever. Look around, I'm sure you can find good examples out there, somewhere. I'm sure they'd find a way, if they haven't done so, to regulate even the activities we like to do via our lifestyle.



kittinSol -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:43:48 AM)

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Coldwarrior57 -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:47:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RainydayNE

i imagine people generally expect a democrat will take more account of alternative energies and other things that can (potentially) have a positive effect on the climate change issue. so maybe they don't feel such a need to sit and rant about it.
So you beleive that they just let the issue go because a democrat is in office?
if so then doesnt that make them a bit like the little boy that cried wolf ?



Coldwarrior57 -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:48:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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I invite you to not read my posts  if they bother you that much.



RainydayNE -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:52:16 AM)

i don't believe they've let the issue go at all. they just don't have to scream all over the television about it because there's someone in office who will listen to them.
the principle works in all sorts of situations. when nobody's listening to you, what to you do -- talk louder. scream if you have to.
when someone DOES listen to you, well then, you can be more diplomatic about it.

it's actually a very simple aspect of human communication dynamics.



paul12000 -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:53:10 AM)

I would like to think so. I can't bellieve most of what they say these days.



paul12000 -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:54:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RainydayNE

i don't believe they've let the issue go at all. they just don't have to scream all over the television about it because there's someone in office who will listen to them.
the principle works in all sorts of situations. when nobody's listening to you, what to you do -- talk louder. scream if you have to.
when someone DOES listen to you, well then, you can be more diplomatic about it.

it's actually a very simple aspect of human communication dynamics.


That may be so, what happens when we do listen to them, and it turns out they were lying to us just to get our attention for something else they really want?



RainydayNE -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 8:58:34 AM)

and what if we listen to them and it turns out that they weren't?

there is a such thing as a "critical middle;" most people tend to polarize to either extreme side of the equation.
yes the planet naturally warms and cools but it has drastically warmed since the industrial revolution. the planet could be in a period of natural warming, but i think it would be absolutely asinine to suggest that we aren't affecting anything at all.

there is a middle road, and i think things will get better when more people gravitate to THAT, than standing on either side, poking at each other. that's just childish.

and now, i shall take kittin's advice, put no more quarters in the little food dispenser, and move on to the next exhibit.



paul12000 -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 9:18:21 AM)

Got ya. I'll remember that from now on, when it freezes again, I'm in the middle of global warming...   Since we are warming up, that explains why here in Jacksonville, we've now had 28 days of extreme freeze during this winter cycle, another expected tonight.. instead of the average 18... It also explains the snow that got dumped in New Orleans, this will also explain the tons of snow that just been dumped all over as far south as Atlanta, GA. I wonder why it isn't getting warm enough for snow here? The last time it got that warm, was back in 1989.  It has been so warm this winter, I've been bundling up uselessly in 2 or 3 coats, and running the heater nearly 24/7... I love this warm weather, why didn't I see it before? Gees, I am very glad it's warm around here... I can't wait til the summer.



RainydayNE -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 10:09:55 AM)

oh goodness =p *puts another quarter into the feeder*

the problem with alot of people and why they don't understand the issues of climate change is that they look out their window, see snow where it shouldn't be and go "well gol'darnit, it ain't warming at all!"
there is a reason for that, and it is related to the warming of the planet, WHATEVER you believe the reason is for that.
as the ice caps and glaciers and permafrost melt, all that fresh water runs into the ocean and changes the salinity. it's well known that the salinity of the ocean maintains the currents that control weather on land. have you ever studied oceanography?
heavy salty COLD water mixes with warm, not-so-salty water, and creates a system of convection, similar to convection currents in the air. water is constantly shifting in this way, and this is what powers weather on land.

so what happens when the salinity changes? the currents change and so do the weather patterns.
just because you're getting tons of snow where YOU personally live  -- does that somehow cancel out the massive drought in OTHER parts of the nation the past few years? or in other parts of the world for that matter?
does the fact that you have to wear two coats some how DISPROVE the noticed changed in el nino/la nina and the areas that these weather patterns affect?
is the odd snow in YOUR yard going to replace the chunks of antarctica that keep shearing off?
things are shifting all over. winters are become more intense and droughts are becoming more severe. many places are beginning to see less snow and more ICE. ice storms, ice-coated power lines, ice-related power outages and deaths.
snow forms under specific circumstances, and if it's just a bit too warm in the air, the snow becomes liquid, hits the ground and becomes ice.

summers have been getting hotter. in st. louis the past two (?) years or so, there have been HEAT related power outages and deaths like they have not seen before. we had a flood in my hometown that nearly wiped it off the map. the strength of hurricanes even increases since they derive their power from warm ocean water, and as the ocean is getting warmer, hurricanes are getting stronger. people who study trends in weather and hurricanes worry that katrina may not be unique in the coming years. tornados are now able to pop up in areas where they shouldn't because warmer frontal systems are now present in areas where they wouldn't normally be, like the northeast. these warmer frontal systems collide with cold air from canada and poof -- you have yourself a thunderstorm, many with the power to create tornados.

something is happening all over the planet, and dismissing it based on your personal experience in your little corner of the globe... not very scientific. actually, the fact that you're experiencing out of character winters just proves the point that SOMETHING is changing. and i just refuse to believe that our massively industrialized system has absolutely nothing to do with that.

*resists urge to return again*



cjan -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 10:54:07 AM)

Yup, coldwarrior, our hoax worked perfectly ! In fact, everything is going exactly as we planned. Bwuahahaha...

Where do you think those voices in your head are coming from ? [;)]

Resistance is futile...you will be assimilated !



paul12000 -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 3:39:00 PM)

It is fun to get into these type of discussions. I may not be Al Gore, Super Scientist, but I do know how to research and get the proper information for myself, and in this case, we'll look at a goverment funded organization, that is paid to actually collect and study temperatures. I'm more than sure that no one would take there time looking at this information, cause none of it fits the global warming theory. Yes, there is an  admitted warming trend in the past few years, however, if it is a constant thing, then how did we go from the 2nd warmest year in 2007, to the 9th warmest year in 2008? That is a big difference there. Yes, 2008 is recorded to be far cooler than 2007, and according to a story that I read, (link coming in a moment) it is no different than back in the 1950's. http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2008_temps.html According to the NASA site, in several publications, there is a natural cycle at work, including La Nina and El Nino, as well as the suns rays. Another site that explains why Global Warming is on hold. http://www.icecap.us/ And lots of other global warming stories here. With all these scientific data of natural occurences that is going on all over, how do we, the humans on the planet, involved with these cycles? If we are influencing it that much, what measurable evidence is there to point to us, instead of natural cycling occurences?



UseAndHumiliate -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 3:54:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: paul12000

It is fun to get into these type of discussions. I may not be Al Gore, Super Scientist, but I do know how to research and get the proper information for myself, and in this case, we'll look at a goverment funded organization, that is paid to actually collect and study temperatures. I'm more than sure that no one would take there time looking at this information, cause none of it fits the global warming theory. Yes, there is an  admitted warming trend in the past few years, however, if it is a constant thing, then how did we go from the 2nd warmest year in 2007, to the 9th warmest year in 2008? That is a big difference there. Yes, 2008 is recorded to be far cooler than 2007, and according to a story that I read, (link coming in a moment) it is no different than back in the 1950's. http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2008_temps.html According to the NASA site, in several publications, there is a natural cycle at work, including La Nina and El Nino, as well as the suns rays. Another site that explains why Global Warming is on hold. http://www.icecap.us/ And lots of other global warming stories here. With all these scientific data of natural occurences that is going on all over, how do we, the humans on the planet, involved with these cycles? If we are influencing it that much, what measurable evidence is there to point to us, instead of natural cycling occurences?


You are fundamentally confused about the concept of global warming. Global warming is a part of global climate change. No one thinks that the earth will simply get hotter until it catches on fire or something. Like you said, there are obviously cycles involved, but they are ascending cycles. The low point of the "cycle" 50 years from now will be the midpoint of the what the cycle is today.

When the ice caps finally give-in (Or begin deteriorating faster), North and Central America will actually become MUCH colder, because of the cold water entering the Gulf Stream. Very cold weather is essentially one of the few signs of global warming that we can see without looking at numbers. Cold weather is NOT any indication of global warming not existing, in fact, extremely cold temperatures are more of a harbinger of global warming than any thing else.

Global warming is the dangerous part of the global climate change that humans are creating. The fact that some places are getting cooler than their usual climate is simply a sign that that they will, in time, get also get hotter than their usual climate.

Global climate change and global warming are inextricably linked, but global warming is the part that will end up killing us, which is why it is of importance.





Coldwarrior57 -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 4:27:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cjan

Yup, coldwarrior, our hoax worked perfectly ! In fact, everything is going exactly as we planned. Bwuahahaha...

Where do you think those voices in your head are coming from ? [;)]

Resistance is futile...you will be assimilated !

LOL well only if they look like 7 of 9!
DAMN, WOOF!



stef -> RE: What ever happend to the "Global Warming" Crowd? (3/3/2009 5:13:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: paul12000

I may not be Al Gore, Super Scientist, but I do know how to research and get the proper information for myself..."

Please don't take this personally, but the fact that you don't appear to understand the difference between weather and climate, flies directly in the face of this claim.

~stef



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