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RE: Corporal Punishment turns men into Subs? - 3/15/2009 7:18:14 PM   
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I can only answer from my own personal experience and say that light pain play definitely puts me in the submissive mindset. Heavier pain play, particularly if I haven't been warmed up to it, gives me the over-ridding impulse to yell out "Stop hitting me!" But I'm not a pain play person per say, I'm sure people who get the endorphin rush off of this kind of activity would really crave it.

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RE: Corporal Punishment turns men into Subs? - 12/11/2009 6:47:44 PM   
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I am a total Dom but this is an interesting point. I have noticed and wondered about men who were spanked, strapped , disciplined at or after puberty and having sexualized it. I have been told they liked it then and they like it now. This is not everyone by a long shot - just a few guys I have met. They don't seem to have any psychological trouble with it. One sub I know laughs that he never understood that his father didn't notice his erection while being strapped in the garage.
This doesn't answer your question, I wanted to mention it.

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ORIGINAL: LadyExcrutia

I am curious about something, due to a personal experience I am having. Is it possible that even today, some cultures use corproral punishments as a tool of discipline for the development and the education of its male citizens as they grow up and that it can produce them to later on become Subs or Masochists just because they need such practices as a manner of release and a form to balance, by counterweight, their own male aggressiveness when they become professionals and then BDSM becomes not a fetish or kink, nor does its activities, but a part of their core and their mind so as to be unable to find the balance in their life if someone isn't doing it to them ?

My own experience with my husband is that in his country, females are the disciplinarians of the household. I am living the situation right now through his family and from what I have seen, a young man in this early 20's can still get a nice set of slaps from their mother, even some nice whacks with a cane or rod or some lashes from a belt if she's mad enough to let her hand fall on him, so I am wondering if it can be true that as he says, a good session with a whip is a way to blow off steam the same as if he climbed a mountain and hit on the sandbag or got a massage or such things, as I see that our relationship is more a way for each other to find balance, only his angle isn't even BDSM based, I am just the force that balances his, whether through BDSM or other venues.

Speaking as someone who knows her way around broncos and mustangs, I'd say that his personality is the same of a rodeo horse....they can trust you and obey you enough to run on a race or jump on the obstacle course, even dance to the music and the crop or spurs, but they need a nice rodeo from time to time to let it all out and also need me to crop and spur them as bad as I can to reach, and push them as close to the edge as they can be stretched out to, in order for them to get a benefit out of it, in a very odd way to release steam much like some other animals need.

What is the opinion of a sub ? I am interested in knowing.


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RE: Corporal Punishment turns men into Subs? - 12/16/2009 7:17:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyExcrutia

I am curious about something, due to a personal experience I am having. Is it possible that even today, some cultures use corproral punishments as a tool of discipline for the development and the education of its male citizens as they grow up and that it can produce them to later on become Subs or Masochists just because they need such practices as a manner of release and a form to balance, by counterweight, their own male aggressiveness when they become professionals and then BDSM becomes not a fetish or kink, nor does its activities, but a part of their core and their mind so as to be unable to find the balance in their life if someone isn't doing it to them ?

My own experience with my husband is that in his country, females are the disciplinarians of the household. I am living the situation right now through his family and from what I have seen, a young man in this early 20's can still get a nice set of slaps from their mother, even some nice whacks with a cane or rod or some lashes from a belt if she's mad enough to let her hand fall on him, so I am wondering if it can be true that as he says, a good session with a whip is a way to blow off steam the same as if he climbed a mountain and hit on the sandbag or got a massage or such things, as I see that our relationship is more a way for each other to find balance, only his angle isn't even BDSM based, I am just the force that balances his, whether through BDSM or other venues.

Speaking as someone who knows her way around broncos and mustangs, I'd say that his personality is the same of a rodeo horse....they can trust you and obey you enough to run on a race or jump on the obstacle course, even dance to the music and the crop or spurs, but they need a nice rodeo from time to time to let it all out and also need me to crop and spur them as bad as I can to reach, and push them as close to the edge as they can be stretched out to, in order for them to get a benefit out of it, in a very odd way to release steam much like some other animals need.

What is the opinion of a sub ? I am interested in knowing.


There may be a number of submissives that have had corporal punishment or discipline growing up and that has led to their masochistic tendencies.  I think there are far more that hated the discipline and would NOW rebel at receiving any such treatment.  My cousin is one such person.  I suppose the only way to know is to look at statistics compiled by some group of psychologists.....

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RE: Corporal Punishment turns men into Subs? - 12/21/2009 11:32:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyExcrutia

I am curious about something, due to a personal experience I am having. Is it possible that even today, some cultures use corproral punishments as a tool of discipline for the development and the education of its male citizens as they grow up and that it can produce them to later on become Subs or Masochists just because they need such practices as a manner of release and a form to balance, by counterweight, their own male aggressiveness when they become professionals and then BDSM becomes not a fetish or kink, nor does its activities, but a part of their core and their mind so as to be unable to find the balance in their life if someone isn't doing it to them ?

What is the opinion of a sub ? I am interested in knowing.


Is it possible? Well yes - many things are possible. However it is unlikely that the use of cp would of itself produce subs/masochists on any predictable basis.
i would hypothesise that all bdsm is emotionally based and inspired and that rather than a physiical "abuse" it would require an emotional trauma to develop such a need in later life. Indeed i recall that at school, canings were preferred by pupils as they were easier to deal with - males can handle phsyical buffetting pain very well on the whole.
i must add that i am not suggesting that submisseveness derives from abuse as a rule but this question relates directly to the use of cp on young people and emotional trauma in young people can produce many problems; including sexual ones.
i think that where cp is used in a supportive family environment it is less likely to distort the sexuality of the recipient, but where cp is used without that evironment, it becomes part of an abuse and can be very damaging. i will add that i do consider the use of cp to be inappropriate and damaging in all cases when applied to children - the only question is to what extent. Thats my personal view.

On the issue of balance of the mind i think that if a person grows up in a strict culture with hard rules it may lead to an understanding and reliance on that system in later life - a discipline that is not fetishistic. Can this apply to corporal punishment? Maybe but I would argue not.


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RE: Corporal Punishment turns men into Subs? - 12/22/2009 3:20:12 AM   
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a young man in this early 20's can still get a nice set of slaps from their mother, even some nice whacks with a cane or rod or some lashes from a belt if she's mad enough to let her hand fall on him


This is complete nonsense, as is your supposition.

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RE: Corporal Punishment turns men into Subs? - 12/24/2009 2:18:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyExcrutia

Well, excuse me for breathing but I just wanted to know. It seems liek my husband's culture is based on a lot of militaristic discipline and they truly use women as disciplinarians as stern and brutal, in my opinion, as the Royal Navy officers who flogged their sailors in the 18th century.

You haven't seen a person under age show scars on his body from getting lashed at with a belt like it is a small cut from a fall on his bike. Until then, don't presume to know why someone would cook up a theory or call her daft. Or is it normal for men in your country to show you how they got lashed at when they were at high school yet, and bear scars to this day as bad as if they were cut up so abdly as to need stitches on a small spot ?


i don't think its quite right to look at a society and excuse its bad aspects by saying its their culture. Do we talk about knife crime or paedophilia in White Anglo Saxon (i despise thatyterm as historically and culturally incorrect) derived nations and say "its our culture? No we do not. We call it what it is: improper and criminal behaviour.
So it is with a culture that would inflict harsh discipline on children. Its not culture - its abuse just as it was abuse in Victorian England and by the Christian Brothers in Ireland.


i understand what you say about children.adults comparing scars as if they were nothing, but you need to realise that just because they display that attitude it doesn't mean that the damage done by the abuse is not there. i have known people and children in the UK do the same with their scars etc but i know also that the treatment that provided those scars left other marks too.

i do not accept that there is a non damaging form of harsh corporal discipline. What i do think is that the circumstances in which it is applied matter a great deal and affect how the person copes with it.
There is no basis for saying that physical abuse can predictably lead to submissive or masochistic tendencies. There is however some credibility for suggesting that the emotional damage that can accompany that abuse can produce behaviour that sexualises the abuse. Equally it can produce a revulsion to such violence or indeed a the victim can take up the same abusive behaviour.

Finally, there are a number of factors that might govern an individuals role as a submissive or masochist and while physically violent incidents in childhood might be among them, it is too complex an issue to derive a causal relationship.

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RE: Corporal Punishment turns men into Subs? - 12/24/2009 6:39:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyExcrutia

I am curious about something, due to a personal experience I am having. Is it possible that even today, some cultures use corproral punishments as a tool of discipline for the development and the education of its male citizens as they grow up and that it can produce them to later on become Subs or Masochists just because they need such practices as a manner of release and a form to balance, by counterweight, their own male aggressiveness when they become professionals and then BDSM becomes not a fetish or kink, nor does its activities, but a part of their core and their mind so as to be unable to find the balance in their life if someone isn't doing it to them ?

My own experience with my husband is that in his country, females are the disciplinarians of the household. I am living the situation right now through his family and from what I have seen, a young man in this early 20's can still get a nice set of slaps from their mother, even some nice whacks with a cane or rod or some lashes from a belt if she's mad enough to let her hand fall on him, so I am wondering if it can be true that as he says, a good session with a whip is a way to blow off steam the same as if he climbed a mountain and hit on the sandbag or got a massage or such things, as I see that our relationship is more a way for each other to find balance, only his angle isn't even BDSM based, I am just the force that balances his, whether through BDSM or other venues.

Speaking as someone who knows her way around broncos and mustangs, I'd say that his personality is the same of a rodeo horse....they can trust you and obey you enough to run on a race or jump on the obstacle course, even dance to the music and the crop or spurs, but they need a nice rodeo from time to time to let it all out and also need me to crop and spur them as bad as I can to reach, and push them as close to the edge as they can be stretched out to, in order for them to get a benefit out of it, in a very odd way to release steam much like some other animals need.

What is the opinion of a sub ? I am interested in knowing.



most cultures use the clock and moving from class room to class room is another form of habituation

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RE: Corporal Punishment turns men into Subs? - 12/24/2009 11:58:49 AM   
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When i was a child i got a few spankings and slaps here and there it was not abuse it was just displine. Even now i don't see it as abuse. News flash i am not a maso i hate pain. Master does not like to give me pain so it works for us.

To the OP if i work with you suppostion it would mean that i would want the pain now. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Matt's littleone

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