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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/23/2006 7:48:48 PM   
BittersweetLila


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Is he even aware that you've completely given yourself to someone else except for vaginal sex.


My "husband" is another woman. She knows I am devoted to my teacher/Master, and would prefer it be otherwise, but in the relationship between me and her, it is me who makes the rules. She has known and accepted this for the past ten years. If I had to leave her, if my Master demanded that, if it ever came to that, I would provide for her financially to be fair to her. We have children and a home together and a life that, while not perfect, fits what we need.

Sorry if all this sounds less than moral to some of you.

BL

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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/23/2006 8:48:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BittersweetLila

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Is he even aware that you've completely given yourself to someone else except for vaginal sex.


My "husband" is another woman. She knows I am devoted to my teacher/Master, and would prefer it be otherwise, but in the relationship between me and her, it is me who makes the rules. She has known and accepted this for the past ten years. If I had to leave her, if my Master demanded that, if it ever came to that, I would provide for her financially to be fair to her. We have children and a home together and a life that, while not perfect, fits what we need.

Sorry if all this sounds less than moral to some of you.

BL


Nope not at all. Not that the judgement of random net people matters.

Personally, with me, it's about disclosure. You're upfront and honest with your partners, and they have been given the oportunity to agree to it or to find another relationship.

I admire individuals who choose to behave this way.

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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/23/2006 10:20:42 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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ORIGINAL: BittersweetLila

quote:

Is he even aware that you've completely given yourself to someone else except for vaginal sex.


My "husband" is another woman. She knows I am devoted to my teacher/Master, and would prefer it be otherwise, but in the relationship between me and her, it is me who makes the rules. She has known and accepted this for the past ten years. If I had to leave her, if my Master demanded that, if it ever came to that, I would provide for her financially to be fair to her. We have children and a home together and a life that, while not perfect, fits what we need.

Sorry if all this sounds less than moral to some of you.

BL



Well, that's why I asked if your husband/wife I guess, was aware. Since that's the case, I have no moral thought one way or the other. Just that a master doesn't have to have sex to be a master.

Like in programming you go

OP.PartnerAware="Maybe";

function OPresponse(userresponse)
{

OP.PartnerAware=evaluate(userresponse)// equates to Yes.
}


If (OP.PartnerAware=="Yes")
{
MoralBalance="NoProblems";
}

elseif(OP.PartnerNotAware=="NO")
{
MoralBalance="InQuestion";
}


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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/23/2006 11:31:21 PM   
Petruchio


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{
MoralBalance="InQuestion";
}


(laughing) Get that man some Java.

Y'know, this would be a perfect task for Snobol or even Rexx.

(Nice to see someone correctly visually balance the braces, instead of that ghastly Kernigan/Ritchie mess.)

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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/24/2006 6:40:45 AM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

sex is not the issue, it is if he acknowledges that He is Master, remember the dynamic is a dance of the T/two, not a soliloquy for one.


On the comment I'd highlighted in the quote I completely disagree...

I am the Master of House Iron Bear and that does not hinge on havig sex with every person in it.

I do not screw all the members of my Pagan Group/Cover even though I am the Master of it.

I do not bonk my students of whom I am their Sensei (Master).

I certainlky do not fuck with my Lodge Bothers and Sisters (in any shape or form) even though I am the Grand Master....

No, being a Master does not require sex in most cases.

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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/24/2006 5:48:23 PM   
HoosierScorpio


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Status: offline 		I am training a girl who is a virgin and she wants to wait until she finds the one she wants to accept as her Master. We may never have sex and she will be collar to me until she finds one closer to her own age.

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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/30/2006 5:22:22 PM   
WikedUncle


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ORIGINAL: BittersweetLila

My question is can I live my life using Him as my Master even if He doesn't know that I think of him that way? Does this make sense? Do you have to have actual sex with your Master, or can you simply live to serve the will of a Master by sheer obedience and submission?


Sex has little to do with it. It's more a question of teaching and learning, and mutual growth. You need to take the term "master" out of its BDSM context and appreciate it as something that recognises what one individual has learnt, and can thus teach to another.

It's also a title traditionally bestowed, not taken: bestowed by the teacher's teachers, or by the student. Viewed like that, it would be better that he know you think of him as your master (or sensei). It need not be sexual, but a mark of your obvious respect for someone who seems to have earned that respect.

Good fortune,

Uncle

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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/31/2006 8:17:50 PM   
BittersweetLila


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Sex has little to do with it. It's more a question of teaching and learning, and mutual growth.


Thanks Uncle.

Historically, I have always been a such a fool for sex, a pure sex slut, a pleasure junkie, a lover of cum, cocks, pussy, swallowing it, etc. But now, I am transformed. The Pleasure I get is so much more. My master is so wise. He is so skilled, so great a Teacher, I get more joy from listening to his voice, obeying him, and learning from him --- it makes all that sex seem so finite compared to the infinite erotic/spiritual satisfaction I get from submiting to the teachings and wishes of this man.

I think this man knows everything that goes on inside my head, everything that goes on inside my body. Sometimes during meditation, I think he watches me and just when I am about to have the most pleasurable estastic experience, when I am about to cry out, when I am filled with such light, joy, love and pleasure, when I am about to burst with it --he stops it. His control and perception is magnificant. Just at the exact second when the cry of bliss is about to escape my lips, he ends it. He will only let me go so far.

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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 1/31/2006 9:44:55 PM   
wetrope


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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 2/1/2006 4:18:27 AM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		It's fine to think of him as your master when it comes to the thing that he is a master of, and that you are a student of, namely yoga.

That doesn't make him your master in the same sense that people use the word "Master" on these message boards unless you are practicing some form of guru devotion and he has agreed to be your guru, in which case it can be similar, but:

Your presence here indicates that you have some interest in having a "master" who engages in some form of D/s, B&D, or SM with you. You need to be clear that while entering into a guru-discipline relationship with a teacher is a form of submission, it is a very subtle form and may not satisfy the desires that led you here. You may need to be willing to give up those desires to follow the path that he's offering you.

Not only can he be your master in the sense of the word that applies to his role as your yoga teacher or guru without having sex with you, he probably should unless the form of guru devotion that you are going to practice includes a tantric practice that involves you becoming his sexual consort. If he suggests such a thing, you need to really, really REALLY investigate his qualifications to engage in such a practice. There are many hucksters who claim to be masters of these practices (which are extremely esoteric) here in the west who just use that as a way to lure the unwary into some fancy fucking. The Dalai Lama says that when you can turn shit into ambrosia you are ready for those kinds of practices. I'd ask for a demonstration if I were you.

Good luck.








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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 2/1/2006 4:57:30 AM   
ayasha


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He knows.

He has one other "student" besides me (one male student and me -- I'm a girl). Both of us are married to other people but completely devoted to this man. The deal is complete submission to his teachings. He doesn't have sex with either one of us. Yet, as I said earlier, he is capable of orchestrating the most awesomely fulfilling mindfuck experiences. Almost in a supernatural way. He brings me to a climax place without any actual physical contact.

He knows it.
I am totally and completely His.



He may be your Master as far as His teachings, as a karate Master is to His students. This is different than being your Owner, your Master in the lifestyle sense. He can not be your Master in the lifestyle sense without knowing it. How can you submit, how can you give your will, how can you be Owned by Him if He doesn't know? That would all be in your mind only. For one thing, this is not fair to Him - He knows that He is your Master in regards to His teachings, if He is to be your Master in any other sense of the word then it is something that He has to want, something that He has to decide. you can not make decisions for your Master, regardless of what He is the Master of as this puts you in the position of control.

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RE: Can I think of Him as my Master even if we dont hav... - 2/2/2006 9:23:45 PM   
BittersweetLila


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You may need to be willing to give up those desires to follow the path that he's offering you.


Ah yes, I think this is a problem for me.

I'm logging off this naughty web site right now!

Peace to you all,
BL

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