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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 6:21:50 AM

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For starters, I think the story has as much truth to it as the over inflated profile. Nevertheless, I'm going to give My opinion about it.

IF something like this were actually true, I'd say it would only be from someone completely reckless, careless, and potentially dangerous. While I am a great fan of m/m cock sucking, I would never approach this type of play in the way that transpired in the story. Especially in the case of a male where it was his first time. Introducing someone to an encounter with the same sex the first time around is very much a 'proceed with caution' situation, much like many forms of humiliation play. Requiring the boy to have multiple ground breaking initiation with several males, with additional females watching, could bring him an overwhelming inner conflict. Sure, lots of males fantasize about their first time being so over the top, but most experienced femdoms know the reality of such a thing can be way too much for them to handle. The potential of scarring a person mentally and emotionally is far too great.

Edited because the idea disturbed Me so much with it's callousness that I hit send too early.

LadyP expressed much of what I was thinking (nicely put, LadyP!)

This appears to be a very unhappy story written by an extremely uncaring person who is willing to take risks in a situation that could very easily spin out of control.

If that is indeed how it took place, I'm sure it could be defined as aggravated assault. An individual's reaction to being subpoenaed as a witness will tell you what kind of friend they really are ;)

I'm not sure which amazes me more - an individual capable of being THAT irresponsible or someone who has an inclination to be THAT irresponsible and then ask for feedback. (or was that just bragging?)

We Dominas DO use our submissives in the way(s) that please each of us. However ~ I think it is safe to say that we are also very protective of them and would risk injury to ourselves before we would allow any real harm to come to them.

A loss of control as described in the OP is nothing more than abuse disguised as BDSM and support for that kind of thinking will probably be very thin here.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 8:05:41 AM

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MsKitty and I read this last night as She kinda surfed the forums for the first time in more than a year...She doesn't do it much. It may be another blue moon before She does it again.

She actually kinda thought OP had a point...what would a FemDom do if Her "slave" refused something in front of Her friends? Would it matter if Her friends were vanilla or FemDoms as well? I mean there's an expectation if someone calls themselves a
"slave" right?

MsKitty's boi...who doesn't nessicarily agree with the OP (neither does MsK) but thought the question a rather interesting one.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 8:15:47 AM

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Whatever the op wanted here was lost in the abuse that she discribed. The real question that could be found in the whole mess is a good one if you take out all the porn/fantasy/offensive abuse type content. I would think a good thread on the question on what one would do if a slave refused to do what they promised to do and then didn't would be good... but to start a good thread from a bad one... this one... just tweeks my ass... and I am not into a tweeked ass. lol

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 8:18:34 AM

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Firstly I do hold a PHD

No, you don't. Not a cat's chance in hell.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 9:10:58 AM

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As to the point of what to do if a slave refuses in front of friends - a) a scenario such as this, where it would be his first bi-experience ... shouldn't have happened in front of friends. b) if a slave did refuse to do something in front of friends, we would take them aside to find out why. This is something that needs to be dealt with rationally and calmly - not with violence and abuse. There would be punishment, but NOTHING like what 'athena' described.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 9:38:33 AM

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I wish I had read this one before I posted to BoiJen's post. In a situation like this, clearly, if it did happen, the OP acted on her feelings of embarassment.

OP, if your slave is all that you say he is, surely his safety and emotional well being is more valuable than showing off to your "friends" because you were embarassed. Honestly, if for some reason I were to get that enraged and that embarassed, I'd expect and would like to think my friends would see that I was out of control and stop the madness. No one deserves that kind of treatment.

Woman up... and admit the error of or your ways. This not "molding" it's destructive!

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 10:54:38 AM

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I do know Ph.D.'s who are dumb as a box of rocks. I have very little respect for the educational system in this country. Most of the smart people I know are "uneducated." Just look at the CollarChat boards. Sometimes it seems that the longer people go to school, the more common sense gets sucked out of them.

I know of a few PhDs who, outside of their field, are quite ignorant and lack common sense However, I know of none who can't spell or use correct grammar. I also know lots of "uneducated" ( in the sense of formal schooling ) folks who are extremely smart. No surprise there.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 11:27:55 AM

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The scenario the OP describes is either factual or fiction. Either way, the OP shows just how immature and unworldly-wise she really is.

If factual, then the OP has no sense of self-control. Somebody once wrote 'To be a leader of others, first become a leader of the self.' To me this pretty much sums up what self-control is and the OP doesn't seem to have any.

Another point, if you use violence and abuse to try and resolve your issues, then somewhere down the line someone may try and repay the complement, that is, take revenge. You risk being a victim of violence yourself.

If fiction, then the OP is self-delusional and has no sense of empathy. It would be obvious to most authors that such a scenario looks suspiciously like something ripped out of a porn novel. It's very arousing, if not very believable. The OP didn't consider that others would view it in such a light.

There again they say truth is stranger than fiction. (In which case see the bit about if factual.)

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 11:37:56 AM

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I do know Ph.D.'s who are dumb as a box of rocks.

I don't. Sorry, but I'll have to call bullshit on this one. Lacking in common sense or disagreeing with my opinions and assessment of the facts is not a sign of being "dumb". The educational system does not produce "dumb" phD's (it produces God's plenty of "dumb" high school "graduates", but that's a different conversation). The university system does produce plenty of pigheaded people with plenty of biases and well-bastioned ignorance--but they are not "dumb". They are just annoying.

It is very hard to even get a bachelor's degree from the lamest, crappiest local college without being able to formulate clear sentences and achieve a certain level of diction. To get a Master's and a phD from a university without these basic skills is quite impossible. Even if English is not your first or even your second or third language, the majority of phD's I have met from Africa, Asia, and Central and South America can write English quite well--even when they speak it poorly face to face. I have yet to meet one who couldn't spell or formulate a sentence.

As for the thread--jeez, I have zero interest in replying to the OP. I know absolutely nothing about having a partner who loves and serves me say no to my commands in the clutch. As in any BDSM scene, whether beating him bloody and then having him gang-raped is the "right answer" depends on how HE feels afterward, not how I feel hearing about it. If he's ecstatic, happy, vulnerable, and feels closer to you than ever? Great, you did the right thing. If you wake up in the morning and find he's taken his suitcase and belongings and moved out? Gee, guess you went too far.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 12:26:11 PM

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It is very hard to even get a bachelor's degree from the lamest, crappiest local college without being able to formulate clear sentences and achieve a certain level of diction.

Unless you are recruited as a sports star...Don't spend much time around college athletes or pro ball players do ya?

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 12:30:16 PM

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Hmm...so if we have two bungee jumping instructor and a client, who has never jumped before but is willing to try, and in the last minute he's changing his mind, what should instructors do? Push "gutless" client from the bridge, of course !!

I agree with SweetDommes. If your slave/sub is about to try something first time in his life, you definitely shouldn't invite any friends of yours to watch it.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 1:09:41 PM

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It is very hard to even get a bachelor's degree from the lamest, crappiest local college without being able to formulate clear sentences and achieve a certain level of diction.

Unless you are recruited as a sports star...Don't spend much time around college athletes or pro ball players do ya?

Not willingly, no. Although I did once date a basketball player--used to play for the Houston Rockets. He had a bachelor's degree, and I didn't find him to be dumb OR illiterate, although we didn't have a lot in common.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 1:29:57 PM

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You know I actually believe the bulk of her story, or at least the essence of it. She TOTALLY puts in the mind of someone who would beat the shit out of someone on general principal. I know a lot of women like Athena. In fact I know another Blatina dominatrix that beats the shit out of male doms at public functions when they disrespect her.

Athena, I think you could have discussed it more with your slave beforehand so it doesnt come across as rape or physical abuse. Then again...so much of BDSM could be seen as physical and emotional ABUSE in general.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 1:37:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

She actually kinda thought OP had a point...what would a FemDom do if Her "slave" refused something in front of Her friends? Would it matter if Her friends were vanilla or FemDoms as well? I mean there's an expectation if someone calls themselves a
"slave" right?

For one, the dominant should have enough wisdom and respect for their friends, if no one else, to punish their property in a manner that doesn't upset those watching. The punishment can wait - humans aren't dogs who can't be reminded of what they are being punished for if things have to wait a few hours.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 1:43:13 PM

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I would not want a slave to disobey me either in front of a bunch of people. THAT WOULD BE A BIG NO NO. They would have to PAY for disobeying me. At the very least I would put them out right then and there and relieve them of service to me.

If a slave can not obey what are they doing occupying your space. They have to go.. Now I may not savagely beat them like a LOT OF MY GIRLFRIENDS WOULD.. but they would definitely be tossed out right then and there...preferably by the other slaves at my instruction.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 2:00:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

MsKitty and I read this last night as She kinda surfed the forums for the first time in more than a year...She doesn't do it much. It may be another blue moon before She does it again.

She actually kinda thought OP had a point...what would a FemDom do if Her "slave" refused something in front of Her friends? Would it matter if Her friends were vanilla or FemDoms as well? I mean there's an expectation if someone calls themselves a
"slave" right?

MsKitty's boi...who doesn't nessicarily agree with the OP (neither does MsK) but thought the question a rather interesting one.

my first thought... a Domme loses control that quickly and that excessively? are you sure???

FR

this woman is out of control, doesnt have the ability to train a plastic fish, and about as much common sense as a 2 year old to abuse a human being in front of "vanilla" friends who are there only to get their kink on and could turn on her faster than lightening at the first disagreement.

such a smart woman

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 2:13:37 PM

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Just because people are lazy in their presentations of the typed word online, doesn't mean they can't spell and be literate and good at writing in the offline world. Many people who would make a serious effort in non internet business settings, will not make the same effort online and for casual writing.

Course It is possibly they're that horrid at it online and off, but not all horrible typists are horrible in real life.

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ORIGINAL: cjan

OP, you ask for opinions and yet expect no criticism ? LMAO.

I'd love to read a bit of your PHD thesis, btw, what was it on ? Your spelling and grammar would get you an F on a simple grade school composition.

On credibility...you also get an F.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 3:38:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

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I do know Ph.D.'s who are dumb as a box of rocks.

I don't. Sorry, but I'll have to call bullshit on this one.

I suppose we differ on what "intelligence" is. Someone with a doctorate is probably excellent at regurgitation, and decent at thinking in conforming to certain rules. I consider that "academic talent," not intelligence. Broad brush, I consider intelligence to be the capacity for analysis, creativity and judgement (to borrow from Maslow's Hierarchy). I know a lot of people with doctorates who lack at least two of those skills, and several who lack all three.

Being good at jumping through hoops doesn't earn much respect from me. The Opening Post of this thread didn't earn much respect from me, either.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 3:47:56 PM

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I suppose we differ on what "intelligence" is.

Probably not. The word defined was "dumb", not "intelligent". "Dumb" has multiple meanings, one being "lacking in intelligence", but it also carries a connotation of being mute, inarticulate, or communicating poorly. The OP of this post shows that quality to a high degree. Most of the blather I've heard from phD's which I might consider lacking in intelligence or common sense was quite articulate.

As for the rest of your opinion--it's your opinion, I'm not going to bother disputing the matter. A phD is the academic equivalent of a black belt. Anyone can achieve the honor if they devote enough time and resources to training, but all black belts are not equally respect-worthy warriors, and neither are all phD's.

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RE: Molding a slave - 3/7/2009 4:32:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

She actually kinda thought OP had a point...what would a FemDom do if Her "slave" refused something in front of Her friends? Would it matter if Her friends were vanilla or FemDoms as well? I mean there's an expectation if someone calls themselves a
"slave" right?

For one, the dominant should have enough wisdom and respect for their friends, if no one else, to punish their property in a manner that doesn't upset those watching. The punishment can wait - humans aren't dogs who can't be reminded of what they are being punished for if things have to wait a few hours.

SweetDomme has a point in that it should not be a first timers exspiriance in front of his Owener's friends. And yes LunaVenus as a slave want-to-be i to feel that to be disobeniant in front of slave’s Owner is a call for quick action to uphold Her honor in front of Her friend but,… She could have shown self control wile also taking control of the scene by calmly asking Her friends, what They would see as being a fitting punishment for Her slaves poor behavior, then ask if any of Her friends wanted to administer what ever form of humiliating punishment Her three friends agreed upon. And i also agree with Aquaticsub’s remarks to. Later privetly inquire as to what hie motoves were, then punish appropriately.

PS a side note about the starters having a PHD just maybe,… that really stands for; Post Hole Digger. No offence here but maybe it could humorously explain the bad grammar. Any way Ladies Stay safe!

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