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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/9/2009 3:56:19 PM   
SailingBum


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Status: offline 		Self proclaimed rope expert.  Do not use nylon rope or cloths line.  No strength.  Other than that grab some rope and a knife. <sometimes you gotta undo da bitch in a hurry>

Practice on anything round.  I would practice not looking at the rope while tying the knot.  Not a lot of lite in the middle of the ocean at night with the wind blowing 40 and you gotta change da sail.  That is NOT the time to brush up on your bondage abilities.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/9/2009 4:08:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Feedback from the demo bottoms.

Instruction from the presenter about anatomy.  (I admit, I don't pay a lot of attention in this area, because rope is not My thing and I don't have much desire to put into practice what is being taught.  I let it go over My head.  Had I known the Spanish Inquisition was coming, I would have.)

I'm sure I've already mentioned the fact that it looks pretty.  I base this one on design, complication of the knots, and the overall look of the finished product.

Side note that probably is of no consequence to you.  None of the rope tops or bottoms that I know have ever told Me of their personal experience with actual damage inflicted. 

All two of the three persons who's demos I've attended present on the national level.  One at SouthEast Leather Fest, the other at DomCon Atlanta.  (I've personally co-topped My boy with her.)  The other was at 1763 during their last stations of the cross event.  Without name dropping, I'm sure that can give you enough information to research the caliber of the presenters I'm citing.




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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/9/2009 7:38:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

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I absolutely wouldn't agree with that at all.  My rope skills suck, but I can still spot good work when I see it. 


You think so? You didn't know about nerve compression being the more important problem, and yet you say you have attended workshops and demo's... would you have noticed a tutor missing out on such an incredibly important point?

If you don't have rope skills, then what criteria do you actually use to spot "good work"?


@ Guilty1974
I see no reason to assume that LadyPact is not aware of nerve compression, tissue bruising, and circulation restrictions. During my bondage sessions, nerve compression occurs fairly often. As long as it does not cause bad pain, it is not a serious issue. It is the same as sleeping on your arm and it falling asleep. Nothing permanent or life-threatening occurs.

Skills are not required to admire those that do. I can see the grace and ease which one applies the rope and use this information to determine their skill. Pretty knots, symmetrical patterns, and a happy sub are additional signs. Ropes that fail to hold or stay in place indicate a possible lack of skill.



@ the OP: To learn bondage, one should start with an understanding of the equipment, proper usage of items, and the safety precautions. Books, people, and the internet may fail to provide sufficient information. Proper research using multiple sources it the best method. Personal experience will clarify the small details.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 1:05:09 AM   
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Usually, the person giving the demo is a good place to start. 


I doubt it. People giving demo's will usually say they know their shit. The fact is that quite often they don't. I've seen horrible demo's and workshops. My point is, you need to be skilled to judge someone elses skill.



Kinda difficult to disagree with that logic.   I've seen enuff knots fail to know not to allow unfamiliar to me sailor tie critical knots on my boat.  Doing the man overboard drill is not fun cuz some moronic "competent sailor" made a pretty knot that risked the entire 10 man crew.

First rule of bondage. A sharp knife.  A couple years ago it literally kept my boat from sinking

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 2:06:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Self proclaimed rope expert.  Do not use nylon rope or cloths line.  No strength.  Other than that grab some rope and a knife. <sometimes you gotta undo da bitch in a hurry>

Practice on anything round.  I would practice not looking at the rope while tying the knot.  Not a lot of lite in the middle of the ocean at night with the wind blowing 40 and you gotta change da sail.  That is NOT the time to brush up on your bondage abilities.

BadOne



Most of my practice including splicing (except when splicing steel cable) I do whilst watching TV without looking at the cordage. I love using cotton clothes lines though as thety are great to work through some of the knots demonatrated bt Knotty Boys or frm a book on Seamans Ship circa age of sail..


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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 6:03:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Self proclaimed rope expert.  Do not use nylon rope or cloths line.  No strength.  Other than that grab some rope and a knife. <sometimes you gotta undo da bitch in a hurry>

Practice on anything round.  I would practice not looking at the rope while tying the knot.  Not a lot of lite in the middle of the ocean at night with the wind blowing 40 and you gotta change da sail.  That is NOT the time to brush up on your bondage abilities.

BadOne



Most of my practice including splicing (except when splicing steel cable) I do whilst watching TV without looking at the cordage. I love using cotton clothes lines though as thety are great to work through some of the knots demonatrated bt Knotty Boys or frm a book on Seamans Ship circa age of sail..



Clothes line I think we are talking about the same stuff  sure it's easy to workwith of course it depends on the application binding hands,feet, sure  not for hanging folk from.  It was easier to say stay away from cloth line rather than to explain the finer details of rope construction to someone just getting into bondage. 

I actually taught a class for boaters on cordage sailors call them "lines or sheets".  We get into the more exotic stuff like spectra.  Almost absolute 0 % stretch but that is another story.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 7:52:39 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Actually both the RAN and RN still refer to all rope as cordage according to my sources within both Navies. Perhaps the civilian sailors use different terminology. For general bondage I like using the cotton 12mm cord but I agree it is not so hot for suspension. For that I rather like abseiling or climbing rope. Still I guess providing if holds the weight safely, still each to their own. I haven’t tried hemp yet though I intend to this year.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 11:10:28 AM   
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Usually, the person giving the demo is a good place to start. 


I doubt it. People giving demo's will usually say they know their shit. The fact is that quite often they don't. I've seen horrible demo's and workshops. My point is, you need to be skilled to judge someone elses skill.



Kinda difficult to disagree with that logic.   I've seen enuff knots fail to know not to allow unfamiliar to me sailor tie critical knots on my boat.  Doing the man overboard drill is not fun cuz some moronic "competent sailor" made a pretty knot that risked the entire 10 man crew.

First rule of bondage. A sharp knife.  A couple years ago it literally kept my boat from sinking

BadOne



Not necessarily.  If I were doing the tying, I might tend to agree.  Since I'm not, it's probably a non issue.

I've probably spent more time in this thread talking about rope than I have about doing rope in the last month.  It's not a turn on to Me.  It's a means to an end.  I do quick ties (if at all) to get someone restrained so I can get to the part that I do like.  Leather restraints do the trick for Me.  If I have to rely on rope at all, it's a few two column ties (probably not even a good term for actual rope enthusiasts, but what the person who taught Me to do them called them) and it's on with the show.  The best I've ever done was a chest harness with someone talking Me through it every step of the way.  LOL.

Now, if I were being a twit, and attempting bondage above My level, there might be a point to it.


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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 12:10:22 PM   
SailingBum


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Status: offline 		IronBear,

I noticed your way over there.  Not sure what the USN calls rope over here.  Since they don't have sailboats I really dont consider them sailors in my world.  Then again it might be a civilian thing.  I have talked to a number of folks that use hemp for bondage they like the ruffness and it is rather stout looking.  As you prolly know UV rays greatly diminishes the strength so be mindful of that.

I actually saw a guy use I'd say 1"  maybe 1 1/2" hemp wetted down and use it like a whip on a girls back.  It made a thud as it struck her.  He had it doulbed when he struck her it almost knocked her off her feet.  She took it like a slave should for about 10 to 15 mins.  It was a unique way to use hemp.  Good luck with it.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 12:39:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JRiddleDuring my bondage sessions, nerve compression occurs fairly often. As long as it does not cause bad pain, it is not a serious issue. It is the same as sleeping on your arm and it falling asleep. Nothing permanent or life-threatening occurs.


Thanks for proving my point. Nerve compression can cause damage within minutes, even without pain, sleeping hands, tingling or any other warning sign at all. Besides, it can be cumulative. Simply stated, nerve compression issues should be dealt with immediately, and if you know your stuff, you don't have to untie all the bondage just to do that. If it happens to you often, learn the basic nerve pathways and avoid them.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 12:41:33 PM   
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First rule of bondage. A sharp knife.


And though I think bondage has little to do with knots, I agree on that one.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 12:49:34 PM   
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First rule of bondage. A sharp knife.


And though I think bondage has little to do with knots, I agree on that one.



You forget who your talking to sailingbum.  All of my bondage is with rope.  If the knots are not right.  da bitch will escape and foil my plans.  Hell we can't have any of dat.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 2:05:37 PM   
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You forget who your talking to sailingbum.  All of my bondage is with rope.  If the knots are not right.  da bitch will escape and foil my plans.  Hell we can't have any of dat.


He he, all my bondage is with rope as well, but it's hemp and jute, and I tie in the Japanese style, so there's hardly any need for knots.

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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 3:29:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for that SB. Whilst I love using rope I also love using chain. Light weight anchor chain to be precise and to save the bulk of using knots, I like snap links. The theme is still nautical for after all, although in my favourite naval period (Napolonic Wars) iron shot was used to send the dead to the bottom swathed in canvas just as later links of anchor cable did the same job and of course chain is still used by some rahter naughty lads who need to get rid of bodies. Not you understand that I am planning to disappear any bodies but the tenuous links to a nautical background is fun to keep running through some play times... I'm working on developing a form of play usine both water and rope to simulate the old RN form of punishment -- Keel Hauling.. Without the barnicles on the keel though and definately in a shark free environment.




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RE: Bondage Technics - 3/10/2009 9:26:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Bear,

Im a pirate buff there is a great book out about the "real" story of capt Kidd.  Damn I wish I could remember the name of it.  I loaned it out and didn't get it back.  It covered the glory days of privateers which I found to be cool.  It cleared up quite a few of the common misconceptions of that era.  Click here for a sea shanti  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl-CfQvz21Y

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