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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 4:28:12 PM   
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But I have noticed that when I an truly hurt..I tend to get loud,violent, and defensive as hell...so no..I don't make much of a safe bottom to be around...shugs..But I have noticed real subs do laugh..quite a lot of them when its too much to process...


Hunter,
Just because you react differently than other subs doesn't make you any less "real" than they are. I also enjoy the kind of reaction that you have. If I know it is going to happen prior to play. That is where restraints come in handy <s> Each person, no matter what side of the slash they are on, handles extreme pain differently. My sub, when not in play, gets very pissed off when he gets hurt, both emotionally and physically. It doesn't make him any less sub than anyone else. It makes him human, just as it does you.
 
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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 4:35:43 PM   
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Many a time in a restaurant or wherever when i will have had an inappropriate thought run through my head ... Master always sees that on my face, i'm just too transparent! So then He insists i tell Him what i was thinking ... i squirm ... and giggle. The more i laugh, the more i realise that it wasn't really that big a deal so why am i laughing ... at which i laugh more! He just sits there with this great big grin on His face saying "you know you're going to have to tell Me so you may as well get on with it".

MaamJay,
I tend to do the same thing, but I actually start laughing with him, not even knowing what he is laughing about. I just love the sound of his laughter, it is infectious. Thanks for responding!
 
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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 4:40:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TranceTara

Hi MoGa,

Thanks for the topic.

There were many times in the past, during a scene, in which I felt like laughing and consciously tried to control it for fear of offending my top. As a result, I focused more on stopping the laugh and did not focus on the sensation play. Then I learned to let it out.

I remember one of the last scenes I did, a few years ago. She had placed candles on my back and if I overreacted to the caning by moving too much, I'd cause the wax to pour onto my skin, thus, I was causing myself much of the pain. lol And, I began to see the humour in it all for the scene was quite metaphorical for me. I have the choice on how I react to any given situation. If I resist and over-react, then I cause myself much pain.

When she turned me over, the tears began flowing and I got the catharsis we both knew I needed. She would not allow me to go into the "la la subspace land". The minute I looked as though I were drifting off she'd bring me back; the minute I'd close my eyes to go into my own world, she'd request that I look at her. Then, after several minutes of sobbing I broke out into uncontrollable laughter. The more I laughed, the more pain she would inflict. lol

I was laughing at how silly I must have looked. I was laughing at how attached I was to so many things in my life; my body, my ego, pleasure, pain. I saw how I had not let go of my mother, who had died a couple of years earlier. I was laughing at how I could not say, "OUCH! That hurts," because I was laughing so hard. lol

And, it was a grand lesson for me, because nowadays, even on one of those "dark night of the soul" days, when I feel hope is lost, when my body is not doing as I wish and is in severe pain, I will burst out into laughter, not as avoidance, but as a form of self love. I can see a part of me is suffering and my 'higher self' comes in with such love and acceptance and laughs "with" me, not "at" me. When my judge comes in to berate me, the laughter short circuits her and gives me some respite.

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Tara,
This is so beautifully written. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I suppose we all are responsible in some way to the amount of pain we accept. I didn't break my toe on purpose, or lose my sight on purpose, both have caused me great pain, but how we learn to live with it, is the important thing. It is nice to be reminded of that every now and then.
 
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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 4:56:32 PM   
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This is an interesting topic.  I have done many scenes which have resulted in laughter. I love the pic of you (MoGa) chasing your sub with a paddle because that is the type of thing that has happened in my own relationship with playful subs.  However, recently I have played with a relatively new femsub to our group doing breast torture and she laughs, which in turns makes me laugh.  We have scened twice at play parties and I have enjoyed it very much.  Laughter is good for you.  I hadn't actually played with someone that laughed from pain before but it was a very enjoyable scene.

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 5:31:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: doll

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Librarysub and Doll,
Is it uncontrollable or do you laugh deliberately to keep the tears from flowing?

 
For me, it is usually deliberate to stop the tears from flowing, I try to hide that one weakness for some reason.  Sometimes it is uncontrollable, it just happens cause I don't know whether to laugh or cry or both.


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But this begs the question, do you see crying or tears as a weakness?



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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 5:33:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LovingMistress45

This is an interesting topic.  I have done many scenes which have resulted in laughter. I love the pic of you (MoGa) chasing your sub with a paddle because that is the type of thing that has happened in my own relationship with playful subs.  However, recently I have played with a relatively new femsub to our group doing breast torture and she laughs, which in turns makes me laugh.  We have scened twice at play parties and I have enjoyed it very much.  Laughter is good for you.  I hadn't actually played with someone that laughed from pain before but it was a very enjoyable scene.

lol and now I have the same image of you with your playful subs! It is a great work out, is it not? <s>

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 5:46:06 PM   
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Scare/startle/shock the body and it produces adrenaline. What are the odds that laughter is another way of dissipating adrenalin and endorphins throughout the body?
 
 

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 6:28:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MoGa

lol and now I have the same image of you with your playful subs! It is a great work out, is it not? <s>


Yes it is and a lot of fun. I just thought of time with a former sub when we were at the beach and he was in a particularly playful/fiesty mood and had done several things to me including pulling me under the water. When he came and put his hands on my waist I knew he was going to do something and I thought it was pull me under the water again - so I order in a quite dominant matter that he better not pull me under the water again, he didn't he threw me over his head into the water.    Which I used as a great reason to spank him when we got home. It was a great day we both laughed a lot and I had to chase him to spank him that day.

I have remarked on a couple of other threads about liking somewhat bratty subs and some have taken that to mean those who aren't really submissive, but that isn't what I mean, prehaps playful is a better term.  What I know is I like to have fun.

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 8:15:45 PM   
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being fairly new to lifestyle, i thought i was the only one that did this.(i am submissive) I was at a play party and a gentleman whom i believe is a submissive had amde a comment that he would love to see me in action because he thought by my personality i would be very animated and comical to watch..he was right. i do not tolerate very much pain but recieving a flogging or whip or riding crop and i start laughing..not hysterically but kind of a nice easy comfortable laugh. doesnt helpp that im tickelish and i think that the whip tickles most the time. some one earlier had mentioned about a medical senario where they were laughing..when i had my daughter i ripped and as the dr is sewing me up (episiotomy?) i was squirming and laughing and i told him i couldnt help it b/c it tickled so much..he said in his 25 yr career hes never had any one tell him it tickled

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 8:35:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hotandlonelynFTW

being fairly new to lifestyle, i thought i was the only one that did this.(i am submissive) I was at a play party and a gentleman whom i believe is a submissive had amde a comment that he would love to see me in action because he thought by my personality i would be very animated and comical to watch..he was right. i do not tolerate very much pain but recieving a flogging or whip or riding crop and i start laughing..not hysterically but kind of a nice easy comfortable laugh. doesnt helpp that im tickelish and i think that the whip tickles most the time. some one earlier had mentioned about a medical senario where they were laughing..when i had my daughter i ripped and as the dr is sewing me up (episiotomy?) i was squirming and laughing and i told him i couldnt help it b/c it tickled so much..he said in his 25 yr career hes never had any one tell him it tickled

FTW,
First of all, welcome to CM
This is the thing that I enjoy most about the forums. If I am feeling like I am the only one who feels a certain way, chances are I will find someone else here who is feeling exactly the same thing. I am happy that you found this thread and you no longer feel alone in this. I hope you have fun here and I loved your story lol <Hugs>
 
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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 8:38:54 PM   
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I just thought of time with a former sub when we were at the beach and he was in a particularly playful/fiesty mood and had done several things to me including pulling me under the water. When he came and put his hands on my waist I knew he was going to do something and I thought it was pull me under the water again - so I order in a quite dominant matter that he better not pull me under the water again, he didn't he threw me over his head into the water


How odd! I had the same thing happen to me and my former! Although in our case, a giant wave came and knocked me down. I hit my head on his knee and I was laughing so hard, I didn't even notice I could have had a concussion! To this day the poor guy thinks he caused my aneurysm
 
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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 10:47:13 PM   
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Tara, This is so beautifully written. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I suppose we all are responsible in some way to the amount of pain we accept. I didn't break my toe on purpose, or lose my sight on purpose, both have caused me great pain, but how we learn to live with it, is the important thing. It is nice to be reminded of that every now and then.   <Hugs>   MoGa


A big hug to you MoGa.
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You have shared so much of yourself, opened your heart and risked being very vulnerable in this forum. I thank you for all you have given me.

I'm so sorry about your toe. I tore my big toenail off last summer and I could not wear a shoe on that foot for 6 weeks. It is amazing how many nerve endings there are in one's toes!

I do sometimes get caught up in the pain. The other day I just cried because of my latest episode, but it is laughter, and my guitar, that have gotten me through the toughest times. That and a couple of very dear friends.

If you ever need a shoulder, Cmail me.

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/10/2009 11:35:23 PM   
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Hmm, thinking about it more deeply... I guess I kinda laugh, 'tween the moans and gibber-gabbering... more like a chuckle or two for each hit, that sort of thing. Fast-paced hits it'll turn into full-on laughter, I'll bet, but I haven't really had a chance to experience extended fast hits, most tops/dominants have preferred slower paces.

I tend to start gibbering in tongues after a while, is what I find. It's also pissed people off (apparently it's impolite?) so I dunno. I'm not interested in controlling it... just like I'm not interested in controlling the moans or the gasps or any other noises :P

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/11/2009 5:44:02 AM   
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Fey,
I have to admit that total "silence" makes me a bit nervous. It never used to before I lost my sight, but now, it does. I have always used my instinct and eyes to judge how my sub was feeling, if he were quiet. Now, I have to use my instincts and my ears. If Geoff is very quiet and not making a sound, I know where his head is and I can almost guarantee that he is "gone". But in Deb's case, in a dimly lit dungeon, I liked that she continuously made noises, which enabled me to do two things;
One: To know where she was, exactly. Because that girl can dance!
Two: To be able to "see" how she was doing.
It helped alot that BlkPhoenix was in front of her at all times, as he was wearing all black and Deb was naked (Light skin).
I also enjoy when my sub giggles. But it does make me want to do a little tickle torture


My silence has actually been an issue with people for sooo many reasons. I just feel like i am play acting if i try to make squeeks and lots of noise. When i have hurt myself in bad ways like stuff that means an ER trip and physical therapy and casts and things, I also don't make noise. Not even when they reset my shoulder. It worries doctors and spooks Tops. What can I say? As for the tickle torture.... when that would come wth lots of noise IF we were both lucky!



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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/11/2009 6:43:41 AM   
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Hi there,

I can sympathize with breaking toes....I broke the same 2 toes twice. Horrible and very painful. And shoes...ugh forget about it unless they are wide enough for the swelling. I can't remember if I laughed, I know I was swearing lol.  It's the paper cuts and little things that get more a rise out of me..ouchie.

As far as laughing while in a scene....oh yeah. Just recently I started laughing each time I was hit until I was non stop laughing. Since it was my hubby, I was not worried about offending him. It's become rather normal reaction when he really gets going on me. We talked about the laughing after we were done. He said he realized this is just how I process the sensations sometimes....other times I chatter my teeth. He also said  (just because it was fun for him) he gave it to me harder the more I laughed. At first it pissed him off because he wanted to hear my screams but realized my laugh was my screams. Weird but just how it is sometimes. I'm glad to know it's not just me.

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/11/2009 6:49:37 AM   
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I think with me it depends on who is topping.  I have been through an intense cane scene and I was totally silent during that one, and relatively new to the scene.  Not even a whimper. My best friend was spotting me for signs of anxiety and the intensity had got to a point where the endorphins were hitting heavy and to me if was similar to a panic attack which flung me out of subspace and aftercare took ages to get me settled down.

Now I just flat enjoy it, even those OMG (not a safe word) moments.  I am a squirmer when it comes to laughter begins, if she is just playing with me or Blackphx is teaming with her its definitely a playful session, she keeps me fully aware and sub space never happens.  I really enjoy it and I'm laughing when I'm in a good mood and feeling good is just a natural thing. My adored ones love that they get these reactions and I am verbal and they watch my body language. 

I suppose if they let me play with others that aren't aware, that should be something that will be discussed prior to playing.  Moga when she played with me at the dungeon already knew from the night before how I react so she expected it.

Now if BlackPhx is just playing with me alone, its more a sensual thing and he can put me in subspace easily. My reactions are totally different that if both are playing or just poen.

I so enjoy it when playing I just get caught up in it and poen is so damn precise that she can dead on hit the same spot no matter what she is using, this in turn gets my OMG I have to move that spot out of the way.  BP usually is holding me down, but I'm Strong Like Bull and can usually manage a squirm at least, which gets them chuckling and off I do in uncontrollable laughter.

Unfortunately sometimes is does bring my switch out and I get this immense feeling of just grabbing said torture device and taking it away.....that so doesn't not work.

I am not very submissive by nature, I am finding more and more that the maso in me is greedy (no not you greedytop LOL) and I push for more. 

The only time as I mentioned I have safe-worded out was do to something triggering the anxiety. Last time it was because of my sound sensitivity trigger as we were playing in the living room and Day after Tomorrow was one and it was pretty loud and the wolf scene hit, the music increased and it was the wolf barks that set me off big time.

I have also found the more intense it is the more laughter there is as that have come to read it as a sign that I am asking for yet more.

I doubt this will change as not only I but they enjoying seeing how reactionary I am in seeing this it pleases them also.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the deep subspace where it seem then senses are seem more dulled, and while in this space one might be able to take more, I myself find for such a little person being aware that doesn't seem to be a problem.  If a top is turned off by this, then I frankly would not play with them.

I had an incredible time scening with MoGa at the dungeon and I could tell by her reactions and laughter that she was having such a good time hunting and asking for the end result to end it would have been anti-climatic.

Plus with Geoff watching us play it brought out his playfulness and he said he would like to dance with his Mistress too.

So to me all in all its a win win situation and so far has been enjoyed by all.

I laugh at the challenge I think, not as a way to hid what I am feeling pain wise.

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/12/2009 5:27:39 AM   
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Thank you for bringing this up MoGa as I have three very different reactions depending on which side of the whip I am on.

I took me a long time to become vocal during a dance, for ages no matter how much pain I was silent until the laughter would hit. That laughter was never (at least as far as I know) giggly or happy laughter, but instead a deep voiced laugh of challenge, as if the Dom could not hit hard enough to make me cry out. Just like laughing in the middle of a mans best efforts in bed can be a blow to the ego, this type of laughter can be as well if it is not expected. The more they hit the harder I laugh until I get where I need to go.

This is not to say they can't go beyond my limits..they can, he can and then comes reaction number two ..glaring eyes, a deep rumbling growl and a snarl. One person said that if looks could kill they would have been in their grave 10 minutes BEFORE they completed the stroke that evoked it. It's a..I will get free eventually type of look.

Reaction number three comes from the other side of the whip..when the person who I am dancing with is getting deep into the pain and feeding my sadism..I laugh. Again a deep sound that is both ice cold and frightening at the same time, at least from what I am told..I never really hear me. Apparently there is a look that matches it on my face but, sigh..again..unseen by me.

Unexpected pain rarely invokes laughter, and trust me I have inflicted some nasties on myself from ripped up toenails to steaming my arm and burning my hands. Instead I tend to orgasm hard enough to bring me to my knees.

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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/12/2009 11:00:15 AM   
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It took me a long time to be able to express any self generated emotion while with new doms after i was released from my first master.  i was with him five years and he wanted total control - even of how i expressed my emotions. If he could have he would have wanted to control what i felt but he was smart enoug to know that wasn't possible. 

This left me very unsettled and feeling very stifled in my relationship with him.  Once i was quite nervous when he was lecturing me about something and i laughed, not a loud boisterous laugh more of a subtle soft one and i got backhanded across the face resulting in a swollen and slightly cut lip.  The look on his face changed once he saw my face in how i reacted to this blow, which caught me totally off guard and didn't expect.  i know he regretted what he had done, but his words were harsh and he spoke no words of regret in what he did.  i look back now and see this as a turning point in the relationship. 

i didn't even realize this until a relationship i had where my dom pointed it out to me and worked with me to change my previous mind space. How liberating it was to experience sensations and emotions and be able to express them openly and not have to think - how does he want me to express what i am processing. 

i have had fits of uncontrollable laughter usually when i am overtired and stressed out. Like the saying goes - better to laugh than cry.


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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/12/2009 2:07:01 PM   
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Giggles from Hades
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1419097/mpage_1/key_laughter/tm.htm#1419318

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1036855/mpage_1/key_laughter/tm.htm#1036869
Has this ever happened to you?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1024208/mpage_1/key_funny/tm.htm#1024237
Pain is funny?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_852300/mpage_1/key_laughter/tm.htm#852310
laughter during orgasms

http://www.collarchat.com/m_653982/mpage_1/key_laughter/tm.htm#653986
laughter during spanking

http://www.collarchat.com/m_267486/mpage_1/key_laughing/tm.htm#267606
Does anyone else laugh when in extreme pain?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_222453/mpage_1/key_laughing/tm.htm#222480
Caning and laughing


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RE: Uncontrollable Laughter - 3/12/2009 6:54:29 PM   
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I can not do it justice from memory, but I will refer you to Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land".  In brief, Michael doesn't understand why people laugh.  People keep telling him it's because things are funny.  At a later point in the book, he witnesses something that bowls him over in laughter (And, he's never laughed before).  He realizes that we laugh because we hurt. 
And, pulling back from my most favoritest literary workand delving into matters psychological: it's a defense mechanism in a lot of instances. 
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