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First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 10:09:12 AM   
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I was unsure where to place this post and felt it inappropriate to place it in the Health & Safety section of our forums given that it is for participants in general BDSM activities. 

A couple of hours ago my male cat, Genghis, stopped breathing and I had to resuscitate him. I thought he was in the midst of a dream until I saw his chest heaving erratically then suddenly stop, with his eyes wide open but unfocused and the only way I can describe it is 'jellified'. I have never had to administer first-aid to an animal before other than to dress a wound before taking them to a vet for attention. I've had Genghis for almost seventeen years, he still runs around like a kitten and I am going to be devastated when his time does come (I thought it was today and still can't stop crying/shaking from the shock of it all, and the thought of losing my little man).

Anyway, I placed him on his side making sure his tongue wasn't caught in his throat, then put my hand around his muzzle closing his mouth entirely with my thumb/side of my hand holding his 'flaps' closed while I gently blew into his nose, then decompressing his chest by pressing gently with just a couple of my fingers on his ribs every second or two to expel the air before repeating the process quickly. To my relief after six repititions he came round. He's a little woozy and subdued, but has been up and walking around, has had a drink of water and is contentedly laying beside me.

We tend to focus on first aid for our fellow humans, but what of our furry friends. What tips can people provide (not just for me, but for anyone) who has a pet and who may need to administer first aid to it prior to taking it to see a vet.

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 10:13:29 AM   
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I have amiga in the US who sent me several weeks ago for my pets:

http://www.redcrosswesterncolorado.org/petfirstaid.html

http://globalcrisis.info/CPRanimal.html

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 11:10:41 AM   
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I always keep a first aid kit for my animals. Talk to your vet about what would be best for your specific type of pet. What I keep for my large dogs is different than what I keep for the cat or small dog and what I keep for the horses is totally different than the others.

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 11:12:25 AM   
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Wow, MissM.....did the vet give you any idea what happened?  I had something similiar happen to a cat of mine when I was in Tulsa...he'd gotten out that night, and about 3:30 in the afternoon, he came out into the living room and simply collapsed.......fortunately, I knew where there was an emergency cat vet, and off we flew...by the time I got there, he was barely breathing and almost paralyzed.  I left him in the vet's care, sure that I'd never see him again.   She gave him drugs and an IV, and less than 2 hours later, he was all perked up, eating and talking to her......she thought he'd been poisoned, but the blood work didn't show anything.....we finally guessed that maybe he was bitten by a spider, cuz he was in anaphylactic shock when I got him to the vets office.  I was terrified......sobbing like a baby.

I do know that giving a dog pepto or anything containing bismuth is a big no-no.  I always gave my dog Immodium for any intestinal problems.....he was awful at getting in the trash!  I learned awhile ago how to do mouth to mouth, exactly like you did......fortunately, I have yet to put that knowledge to use.  And aspirin works on their aches and pains just as well as it does on ours....I use infant motrin or baby aspirin....depends if it's the dog or cat, and the size of the animal.  Neosporin is good for scrapes, the only downfall there is they will lick it off....I've never had any animal react to it, but I don't use a lot on their owies...if they can tolerate it, I'll just rub it into the scrape.

One thing that you might want to remember, cats will purr whether they are content or injured......so approach them with caution.  And it doesn't hurt to have an idea of their internal anatomy.

I sure hope your furbaby is ok......and you, too.

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 11:21:57 AM   
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WOW - respect MissM *bowmyhead*

I never encountered such a situation *touchwood* but last year my spicy came inside and the first time ever since I had him (almost a year) he hissed at me when I picked him up. I was surprised as this is so not him (he is a real gentle giant) and when I put him down I realised he was limping heavily as he kind of didnt dare to touch the ground at all with his paw (the night before I heard a fight outside so it seems he was part of that). Now, normally I would have packed him into the box and off we would go (to the vet) but a friend advised me to put rescue-remedy onto his paw...now...spicy wasn't too pleased as he (of course) pulled away his paw when this remedy touched his paw from the pipette and didnt like it either when he realised I put it onto my hand (already disappeared when he realised I deal with that liquid again). Then I found him later again lieing outside and this time I put rescue remedy into my hand behind his back (lol) and came towards him with my hand being soaked from it and then touched his limping paw with my wet hand. He didnt like it but at least he got the full load of it this time and the following day he walked normal again as if nothing at all would have happened to him. Therefore if one of my cats would ever end up limping again I certainly go for the rescue remedy at first before wasting time and money at the vet

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 11:51:26 AM   
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...I use infant motrin


i just had to jump in here real quick - ibuprofen is toxic to both dogs and cats. Aspirin - either plain or buffered is the only type of pain reliever you should give. Never acetaminophen or ibuprofen.


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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 4:09:40 PM   
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Miss M,
 
Glad to hear that you were able to revive Genghis.  What a terrible scare for you.  Plenty of great advice here about Pet First Aid.

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 4:22:22 PM   
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My dad had a little poodle who ate rotten fish on the beach, and he didn't know it, and he waited until she was utterly fucked up to take her to the vet, At this point she wouldn't eat and wouldn't drink and was vomiting, I think he said  and she died. There was no saving her he waited to long. If he had taken her in as soon as he suspected she didn't feel good, she may of been saved.

There's a pet info artical that went out, and a family knew their dog was bleeding and they were like well lets wait an hour or two see if it stops on its own, and by the time they went for help for their dog ,  he'd bled so much, the poor lil guy needed hospitalization and IV's and blood donations.

Now I know limping isn't really to serious of a deal, but sometimes the wait and see and try to treat it at home method can really screw you over.




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Therefore if one of my cats would ever end up limping again I certainly go for the rescue remedy at first before wasting time and money at the vet

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 5:46:40 PM   
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C had to jump in and give CPR to his mothers aging rottie the other week. It didn't do much good, as she died of cancer a week later, but he did revive her for a bit. I believe you can get pet cpr certification through the red cross... I've taken it once, with a huge, sticky, mildly frightening dog dummy, but I can't remember who I got it through.

The only real 'medical' help I've given my pets were to treat skin cysts, which my old cat used to get all the time from fights. (Kittah HAET warm shower)

Bleeding cuts and such should be treated just like an injury on a person, with pressure, although they might not approve so much of elevation.


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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 9:53:17 PM   
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...I use infant motrin

i just had to jump in here real quick - ibuprofen is toxic to both dogs and cats. Aspirin - either plain or buffered is the only type of pain reliever you should give. Never acetaminophen or ibuprofen.


Thanks..I didn't realize that....I'll not use it in the future.  I'll stick to aspirin.  I had just stuck my fingertip in the bottle of liquid motrin, and then rubbed it on Squeak's nose, she licked it off okay, and it did help her pain and swelling, but I won't be taking any chances again.

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/11/2009 10:22:34 PM   
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My K-9 furbaby has always had problems with her stomach, usually during the summer. Out of the blue, she's start to heave and then vomit bile. When I raised my concern over this to the vet, he said that it is safe to give her a Tums or Rolaids to ease her upset stomach.
  My furbaby is turning 14 in a couple weeks and for the past year, she's feeling the effects of arthritis. The same vet confirmed that it is safe to give her crushed glucosamine tablets in her food. As for humans, the best is the glucosamine with chondrotin (sp). Right now she's on 1000mg per day and it greatly eases the pain in her joints. Morgan is 40 lbs and this dosage is adequate for her system though I'd advise to ask the vet regarding dosage for smaller or larger dogs.

btw: I was strongly advised never give a dog onions, grapes or raisons to eat. There's a natural chemical in onions which can make a dog seriously or fatally ill. Grapes and raisons don't get digested in a dogs stomach and will ferment and could cause serious stoamch and intestinal problems.


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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/12/2009 7:33:01 AM   
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A little update: Genghis is fine today, thank goodness and to my relief. He's been eating/drinking normally, even had time for a little play (he so reminds me of the little bald guy that was in the old Benny Hill series) and is well enough to see my clothing items as potential shagging partners!

I didn't take Genghis to the vet for one reason only on this occasion. When he is highly stressed his glucose sky rockets and he goes into a diabetic fugue. Given that he'd stopped breathing yesterday I thought the worst thing I could do was induce yet more stress and take him to a clinic. I have talked to a vet over the telephone but without them checking him there's little advice they could provide and they agree that with his history of extreme anxiety taking him in could be highly detrimental to him at the moment. Once he's stronger and can handle a visit to the vet I'll take him along for a thorough check up.

LisaCarter
- thank you for the second link, it provides some useful information for pet owners.

LaT
- What I was hoping to do was build a little database of first aid tips and remedies from experienced pet owners as they might be something a person may retain which would help them in future should they encounter a crisis. I know it shouldn't, but I am still surprised when pet owners haven't the foggiest when it comes to dealing with their pet's health, especially during an emergency.
Soul
- Thank you for your post, when we encounter a situation that's harmful for our pets we become gibbering masses of flesh and tears. I've even been known to beg shamelessly to a vet to save one of my pets when they have been seriously ill, so completely empathise with you when your cat needed emergency treatment as a result of that spider bite. It's amazing how something so small can deliver such potency when defending itself. One thing I will say, I never give an animal a drug unless it's been prescribed by the vet or the vet has 'OK'd' it as what's fine for us, can be poisonous to them. I remember my old father giving his staffordshire bull terrier kaolin and morphine for its stomach problems and I'm even more astonished that the dog would accept it given its strong taste/smell. Jay (the name of the dog) became an addict, no surprises there, but lived until a ripe old age of twelve. I am in no way recommending the use of kaolin and morphine for dogs, and it seems incredible that a vet would recommend such a thing. Talk about 'kill or cure'!
You're so right about cats purring when in distress as much as they do when in comfort. It's good that you know how to resuscitate and although I hadn't learned specifically how to try and resuscitate a pet, I just drew on my first aid experience then tweaked it to apply to little furbies. Hugs to you and thank you again for those tips.

Phoenix
- Thank you for that (hugs). I haven't heard of 'rescue remedy' before, it must be something found only in the US. I just looked it up and apparently it's a trademarked series of homeopathic remedies by Dr Bach specifically for pets, which is interesting.
Apiercedkitty
- That's a pretty important piece of information. I would err on the side of safety and not give any kind of medical formulated for a human being to an animal unless I had spoken to a veterinary source and verified it was safe to do so, but then, there's the issue of quantity, etc...

Vendaval
- Thank you for that and hugs.

YourhandMyAss
- Dogs and cats just love to eat the most vile of things. If I offer my cats absolutely fresh fish they'll turn their noses up, but leave it until it's starting to go off slightly and that rotten smell becomes an instant aphrodisiac. I think the reason people tend to use the 'wait and see' method when dealing with their pets is b/c usually, their pets have far more common sense.

Lynnxz
- Thanks for your post and well done to C for being able to resuscitate his mother's dog. It's a shame the rottie succumbed to cancer a short while later. I can't help but see the humour in the dog dummy cpr course. The last time I renewed my first-aid certification I was taught by someone who had chronic asthma and everytime they attempted to blow into the dummy they went blue in the face and had to take their inhaler. It was one of the most bizarre things to witness and I could almost imagine the dummy getting up and giving her first aid!

Bear
- Adorable Bear! We know there's only one pertinent first aid tip for a bear - keep well away from the PUSSY! What I want to know is, does that extend to one that has nine tails?

Great info regarding harmful foods for dogs - I hadn't known about those. I believe giving dogs chocolate is also a no-no as it becomes toxic when its processed in the gut.


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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/12/2009 8:06:37 AM   
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I'm so glad to hear Genghis is doing better......that's great news!  I'm a pretty strong person when it comes to family members getting hurt and what have you, but if one of my little "beebees" is hurting, it pretty much makes me totally nuts~breaks my heart to know they are hurting in any way. 

I don't treat my animals medically if I have no idea what may be wrong.  Trust me, I think I've personally paid off veterinarian's college loans, but it's worth every penny to me.  I've had an $800 barn cat......between the spider bite and some unknown injury, that's what it cost me.  And I paid it without a second thought.  The unknown injury was pretty freaky...Buzz snuck outside one night, and when he came back in the am, it looked like he'd been dragged along the street by something.  Not a car, the vet siad he didn't have any other injuries consistent with that, but his entire right side was all abraded....and he did tussle with someone, had a few bite marks......and again, on a Sunday morning, off we went to the vet's.  I was afraid of infection....whatever sanded him off took about 4 layers of surface skin, according to the vet.  He was sore and stiff for a few days, but other than that, he was up and beating up the dog in a week.  The dog kept licking him, so that kept him clean, except I had to lock him up for a few hours each day so the antibiotic goop could soak into his skin.

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/12/2009 8:21:03 AM   
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Soul, I've worked in the health care sector, I don't flinch in an emergency and remain unphased when I've had to provide first-aid to people in accidents prior to paramedics arriving to take over. But when it comes to the little bundles of teeth and claws, I become a puddle of tears - it's my worst nightmare and like you, it's heartbreaking to see them suffering. i think the reason we feel so vulnerable when it comes to he wellbeing of our pets is b/c medically, it's an area that's still the 'unknown' for us and we cannot verbally communicate with them to provide verbal reassurances or gain information from them.

I hear you, re. vet bills. They're exorbitant. When Geng was just a few weeks old (he was a rescue kitty and dying due to contracted cat flu and neglect) the vet bill was just a few pence short of £1,000. The vet recommended putting him to sleep, said he wouldn't last another 48 hours in any case and that it would be 'cheaper'. I was disgusted, became enraged and ensured he worked on him round the clock until finally he was holding his own. I didn't tell the vet at the time t hat I didn't have £1,000 at hand and I dread to think what would have happened to him (okay, I know what would have happened, I prefer not ot think about it) had I been forthright about not having the money immediately. I sold some of my jewellery to pay for the bill and they had it within four days, but there isn't anything I wouldn't have done to raise that money.

Did you ever find out how the large abrasion to Buzz's side was caused or will that remain one of life's mysteries? It does sound like a heavy impact/drag kind of injury. We had an old dog who persistently licked its wounds to the extent they wouldn't heal and it'd have to wear one of those neck cones. The moment that thing went on the dog became a whirlwind of frenzied activity and we'd have to clear an entire room it went in b/c it would break anything in sight!


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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/12/2009 8:25:44 AM   
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Glad to hear Genghis is doing better. You might want to get a copy of this book. It is available on Amazon.com The First Aid Companion for Dogs & Cats (Prevention Pets) (Mar 15, 2001) by Amy D. Shojai. It is very good and can give you techniques to ensure your pets survival until you can get them to a vet.

I keep not only a first aid box for humans in the house but also for my pets and both get stocked with fresh supplies regularly.

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/12/2009 8:30:11 AM   
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Thank you, Poenkitten, he's milking it for all its worth presently, he was even allowed to catawaul half the night without being chastised. I'm so submissive when it comes to my cats, even Reality says to me, "Why don't we get the fresh steak for dinner?" Silly question! Hah! Thanks for the book suggestion, it's something all pet owners should have or certainly be aware of first aid in times of crises for their pets.

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/12/2009 8:32:20 AM   
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MissM, the reason I said to ask a vet about your specific pet, is that your pet's vet will know what is best for him/her, rather than the generic list I or anyone else could give.

Example: I had a dog that had severe allergies, I kept allergy meds on hand for her. One that was specific for her and her condition.

What I keep for my horse Maj and his allergy to some mystery weed that only affects him once a year is completely different.

I had a dog that would get mystery diarrhea and my vet advised MoM and canned beef broth. I kept both on hand. The same may not apply to a similar problem with a different animal.

etc etc etc

One thing I can advise anyone should keep for any animal, especially birds, Styptic powder or sticks. 

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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/12/2009 1:17:09 PM   
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One day my Cocker spaniel had severe rib area tenderness, and was bloody, and when we examined him he had a inch long gash on his skin. We have no clue how he got it. Bizarre unexplainable injuries, they're  kind of the worst cause you don't know what to do to prevent it from now on.

In the last 2 years of Sparky's life he probably cost me about 3-4 thousand dollars what with each visit costing about 500 dollars a pop, then follow up tests, then tests to follow up on the follow ups, and then treatment. and when he was last diagnosed, it was 600 dollars  to find out that he was dying, plus 200 dollars* If I remember right* to have him put to sleep plus it was 60 bucks extra if you wanted his ashes back. And I have no shame in admitting I bawled like a baby when the vet said he was dying. I looked at her and said but he's my doggie, and I even had her in tears almost.

Daddy and I could have financed a trip to Jamaica with those bills lol.
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I've had an $800 barn cat......between the spider bite and some unknown injury, that's what it cost me.  And I paid it without a second thought.  The unknown injury was pretty freaky...



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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/12/2009 1:19:57 PM   
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I'm not to good in emergency situations either, but I  don't exactly fall apart, but I am with you, Something seriously wrong with my fur baby, and I am worried and anxious and you don't want to cross my path in the wrong way at that time. And if the vet makes the animal scream or cry, It just rips my heart out, and I feel so guilty and low as a worm, like I did something to make him scream.
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Soul, I've worked in the health care sector, I don't flinch in an emergency and remain unphased when I've had to provide first-aid to people in accidents prior to paramedics arriving to take over. But when it comes to the little bundles of teeth and claws, I become a puddle of tears - it's my worst nightmare and like you, it's heartbreaking to see them suffering.


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RE: First Aid Tips for Pets - 3/13/2009 5:32:17 AM   
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Here is a video showing common household plants that are toxic to pets:

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/poison-control/17-common-poisonous-plants.html 

And a list of people foods to keep away from our furry babies:

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/poison-control/people-foods.html

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