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AngelicKnight -> Consensual slavery bliss - Am I on the right track? (3/11/2009 9:15:02 PM)

Greetings all and welcome to my first official post (Other than the welcome post of course).

Here you will find the history of a man who once longed for true love, and found something far deeper and more meaningful and his journey to understanding it.  This has been a far harder task than I thought it would be and I feel like I am really close to piecing it all together.  Please take a look at what I have so far.

I had always been interested in the BDSM lifestyle long before I knew what it was, I suppose like everyone else I thought I was the weird one and it is comforting to know that I am far from being alone.  My real journey in this life style began when I stumbled across some letters written by other consensual slaves.  They profess that they have no writing talent, and yet somehow managed find words of such passion and emotion about their own feelings I felt as if I were looking directly in to their very soul.  I never knew there could be such powerful emotions or such a deep devotion to another person.  I resolved then and there that this is what I wanted, so I set out to try and understand everything I could.  The first thing I need understand is what makes a women choose a consensual lifestyle. 

I first thought it might relate to common needs, the need to belong, the need to trust, to have a place to call home, to have a purpose, to care and be cared for, to be loved.  Or perhaps she is seeking a constant, someone who is strong, who is reliable, who will protect her and keep her safe, someone to teach her and make her more than who she is now.  Maybe it is a different freedom she seeks, freedom of the daily stress to make decisions, to be accountable, to be resolved of all of the problems and conflicts that come with life.  I know, it’s the sharing of everything you are, bearing all of your thoughts, hopes, dreams, desires and deepest secrets, being known and understood completely far beyond anyone else in this world.  

As strong as these reasons are, none of them seem to measure up to the words I read in those letters.  There is something missing from the equation, something far more powerful.  As I dug a little deeper I came to understand that part of training not only entails conditioning of the body, but also all of the thoughts that detract from the image of one’s self.  It was then that something occurred to me.

We all have our demons, fears and doubts that tell us you are weak, you are stupid, you are clumsy, you are hopeless, you are worthless.  Imagine if you will, one by one, all of the demons are laid to rest and no longer cause you any pain, where there was fear you now have hope and aspirations, where there was doubt you now have confidence and praise, all of your sins have been confessed and forgiven and yet still, you are loved even more.  You bared you soul to this man and he reached inside, stilled the chaos and ripped out all that was dark and ugly and replaced it with light and beauty.  Could this be the answer that I was searching for?

A final thought occurred to me and that is the nature of pain and its role in things.  Many submissive pride themselves on how much they can endure, each strike becoming a badge of honor. To reach the limits of pain to sub space, trust must be pushed far beyond any normal limits. The trauma of pain strips away all emotional defenses leaving the woman completely exposed and vulnerable which creates a very deep emotional dependency. It is often practiced and strongly advised that submissive change dominate partners because of the risk of creating an unwanted emotional attachment outside of a relationship.  Is the exploration of pain merely a distraction or is it really a vital key element that will push beyond that wall from conditional to unconditional?

As you can see there is a lot to take in and think about.  This only covers the heart of a consensual slave, there is so much more about being responsible for her body, mind and spirit it is little wonder that those who truly understand their role as a master can earn that respect.  I still have much to learn, but I will create that world regardless of the sacrifice.

So what are you thoughts?




chamberqueen -> RE: Consensual slavery bliss - Am I on the right track? (3/12/2009 6:14:51 AM)

Some people crave pain, some don't.  In my slavery pain played a very small role.  I could reach subspace simply by being dominated, by giving my will over and concentrating on someone else's pleasure.  For others it is an essential ingredient.  It can bring about a huge endorphin rush and fill a need or it can simply be something devastating - with many variations in between.  Sometimes a small amount of pain, like having your nipple twisted, and add a lot to a session.  It doesn't mean that you are a bad slave if you are not a masochist.  Not all Masters are sadists. 

There is huge room for individuality within the lifestyle.  There are Masters who have more than one sub/slave and may treat each one very differently.  Some believe in mixing love with BDSM while others don't.  Most will help with personal growth in their slave, preferring one who has a certain amount of self confidence yet keeps respectful and humble. 

No matter what your wants and needs are there is likely someone who will make a very good match to you.  Take time to discover what it is that YOU really desire from a relationship.  There are always things to learn, and you might find that your ideal today is very different in six months, but if you have certain limits that you know you can't cross then look for someone with compatible thoughts.  I wish you the best on your journey and hope that you find exactly what you are looking for.  A slave's life can, indeed, be bliss with the right Master.




feydeplume -> RE: Consensual slavery bliss - Am I on the right track? (3/12/2009 7:48:12 AM)

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We all have our demons, fears and doubts that tell us you are weak, you are stupid, you are clumsy, you are hopeless, you are worthless. Imagine if you will, one by one, all of the demons are laid to rest and no longer cause you any pain, where there was fear you now have hope and aspirations, where there was doubt you now have confidence and praise, all of your sins have been confessed and forgiven and yet still, you are loved even more. You bared you soul to this man and he reached inside, stilled the chaos and ripped out all that was dark and ugly and replaced it with light and beauty. Could this be the answer that I was searching for?


The demons are, generally speaking, not laid to rest but they are no longer allowed to hid in the shadows of a mind and slowly poison the soul. They are dragged out and named and mocked and embraced. Sins, of whatever definition, continue day by day and the confession and forgiveness for those sins also continues day by day. The dark and ugly is glorified not removed; it is transmuted to a lovely terror, a beautify horror. The demons, sins, and that which is dark and ugly, to use your words, are fundamental to the slave's identity both before ownership and after. But the way they are viewed changes from rejected to embraced. I am not explaining this as well as i would like, yet i hope the concept comes though. A slave gives up the right to define a demon as a demon and the M redefines that demon to something else, something with a terrible beauty. The dark is still dark, but the M casts light on those shadows so they have shape and gives them a purpose other than gnawing on the slave's soul. 



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A final thought occurred to me and that is the nature of pain and its role in things. Many submissive pride themselves on how much they can endure, each strike becoming a badge of honor. To reach the limits of pain to sub space, trust must be pushed far beyond any normal limits. The trauma of pain strips away all emotional defenses leaving the woman completely exposed and vulnerable which creates a very deep emotional dependency. It is often practiced and strongly advised that submissive change dominate partners because of the risk of creating an unwanted emotional attachment outside of a relationship. Is the exploration of pain merely a distraction or is it really a vital key element that will push beyond that wall from conditional to unconditional?



Submissives don't really enter into a discussion of this level of slavery (I AM NOT SAYING ONE IS BETTER THAN ANOTHER, RATHER THAT A DISCUSSION OF MASOCHISM DOESN"T INVOLVE CARS. THESE ARE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, AT LEAST TO ME. and i find it hard to follow when submissive and slave are interchanged and considered, contextually, to be interchangable.)

While what you say in the first three sentances many be true of some submissives, it in no way relates to submission in toto, non-masochistic submissives, many Bottoms, or to your topic of consensual slavery. For some there is no sense of trauma associated with the pain, so it does not strip away anything and instead it is its own fulfilment. Even in those that enjoy and embrace the pain past the point of pleasure do not necessarily form any emotional dependancy on the person that gave them that pain. In a sense that person can become a fixation but there is no emotional dependancy necessary. If someone hits you just the right way and it is oh so good, you merely want that experience again. A person can use emotions as an excuse for their reason for seeking that person out again, but the naked truth of it is often that the person craves the experience more than the person.

Where pain and slavery (in the relationship sense, rather than the scene or play or short term sense) overlap is totally different than where it goes with masochism. Many slaves are masochists. They embrace the pain as reward, as attention, as acceptance of who they are. But the pain, for the masocistic slave isn't a tool to create or form emotional dependancy in and of itself. It is the way, the context of the pain that creates that bond, that lowers and erases the emotional boundaries and creates the vulnerability and trust. So yes, pain is a vital key to consensual slavery, but not BECAUSE of the pain, but because of the context of the pain, the way it is given, the manner of its use as reward and constant, fixed element of the relationship. The pain can be a tool to learn to step away from being ego-centered, but it is by far one of the least useful tools to do so. Often it is used to give or reinforce the ego and sense of self in a slave.

The move from conditional to unconditional is actually moving from one continuum to another, from the submissive continuum to the slave continuum. In other words a total remake of expectations of self,the world, relationships, partners, and sexuality. Some submissives make this jump and some slaves make the jump to the submissive continuum. Heck some slave's jump to the dominance continuum or the 'normal' continuum. So it surely is not the pain per se that causes a person to totally re-evaluate their life expectations, but rather the experiences before, during, and after the pain, after the shower, after the endorphin drop, after morning break with their co-workers, after watching their favorite sit-coms and crime shows, after all the 'play'. Somewhere inside something goes PING, and the person starts redefining themselves and their needs. It is a totally internal, solitary experience and usually (ok always in every case i personally know) happens with no M leading or pushing the self to change.

Sometimes there is a M there, someone to bond to as the person re-defines or awakens to the differences between what they have been told they are too want and what they really want, but the M is not what makes it happen, though they can be, and often are, a lighthouse by which the slave navigates the inner seas of self.

just my two cents




DesFIP -> RE: Consensual slavery bliss - Am I on the right track? (3/12/2009 1:12:12 PM)

Well, I'm a sub not a slave. But pain plays very little part in our relationship. I don't strive to take it for him, it doesn't do anything for him to dish it out. He's a dominant, not a sadist. I'm a submissive, not a masochist.

I reach subspace through sensory deprivation plus sensation overload; meaning the only sensations I get are the ones he chooses with others restricted so as not to distract me. And pain isn't part of it. However, not all of us strive for subspace every time. I'm not allowed to go deep very often as he wants me actively involved with him and not off in my own world.

Basically there is no "one true way". The stuff you read worked for the person who wrote it, but it does not mean it works that way on everyone.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Consensual slavery bliss - Am I on the right track? (3/12/2009 1:59:53 PM)

Tastes a little too much of hetero/sub being a passive weakling needing healing and protection for me.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Consensual slavery bliss - Am I on the right track? (3/12/2009 2:13:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AngelicKnight

You bared you soul to this man and he reached inside, stilled the chaos and ripped out all that was dark and ugly and replaced it with light and beauty.  Could this be the answer that I was searching for?


I understand where you're going with this, as this is what my tribe follows, but I'd not say these things are dark and ugly nor are they ripped out. Instead, I'd say that light was shone on them so that they could no longer be in the shadow (Jung's shadow). They were examined, learned and then integrated. Cutting off something that is unhealthy, such as the part of you that "sins" isn't healthy. Figuring out why that part exists, learning that it is an integral and acceptable side of yourself and finally having self acceptance is much more healthy. You're just chopping away at yourself doing the former. Pretty soon, there'll be nothing left.

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Is the exploration of pain merely a distraction or is it really a vital key element that will push beyond that wall from conditional to unconditional?


Or, perhaps, pushing beyond a wall into being in the now and so you have a direct connection with the Self.

You might be interested in a small, specialized event called the Butchmanns Experience. Butchmanns-Experience.org

Master Fire




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