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Lorr47 -> RE: Inherited Anger ? (3/15/2009 7:05:22 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Lorr I am going to take that as something that might be true. It would seem so in your personal experience. My Grandfather said to never trust an Italian, but one of my best and closest friends is one, and I would trust him with my life and more. I don't know if you can fathom what I mean by "and more", but it means to take care of a few things in the event of my sudden departure.
However the point is, even if what you say is true of all Yugoslvians, that does not indicate whether this is the result of genetic tendencies or environmental influences.
Speaking of Italians for a moment, we have, or had, what they called a real Italian restaurant around here. I haven't been there yet but I heard they had good food. The difference was that Italian only was spoken in the kitchen, and they were a fiesty bunch, after a while it almost became like a show.They actually advertised "Come for the experience". They yelled at each other and all that. I guess newcomers would ask "Are they going to shoot each other ?" and were told "No, they are family and do this all the time". It was like a "theme restaurant". I hope they are still in business because I want to go at least once "for the experience". Something different than some Engelbert Humperdink playing, shit like that.
Actually the people I've actually met from Europe have said the same things about Ukranians as you stated about Yugoslavians. So let's assume there is a tendency, but then, is it nature or nurture ?
Unfortunately, obtaining empirical data is near impossible. The only way I could see is the "switching" of newborns, practically at birth to isolate any outside effects. Physical traits would have to be considered, because of societal factors you would want at least for them not to appear different than expected. If you can fathom the difficulty in pulling this off, next consider the ethical question. I don't think it would be morally right to do this without the consent of all involved. And then those not of age, the ones most affected by such an experiment cannot give consent. The idea simply will not fly.
So we must find other ways to gather data. How about this, somebody start a website where people can discuss these things and compare notes, put their heads together and,,,,,,,, wait a minute, we might just be there yet.
T
I did not use the Yugoslavian condition off the top of my head. I am a Yugoslavian and the more rational members of the family have discussed the "genetic" tendency toward anger and extreme violence for years. If something got in my grandfather's way, he killed it. Once he was angry at a bull and jumped into the pen and egged it into attacking. He killed the bull as it charged by hitting it between the eyes with an axe handle. Then he butchered the bull in place muttering that nothing back talked him. We were rooting for the bull. The only time that it is said that my grandfather met his match was when my father came back from Iwo Jima. The grandfather tried to reestablish his dominance and my father hit him so hard that my grandfather went through an old fashioned hard core door; through the screen door; through a covered porch and then the real beating commenced. My father was decorated from the islands for saving Marines but mixed in the decoration was the fact that he shot everyone in sight. I asked him what the truth of the decorations was and he said "I got angry and killed a lot of people and I enjoyed it." The war years in the Pacific were the happiest time of his life. He wished he had died in the Pacific because that was the way he wanted to live, not with all these rules. And, the rumor is that he killed at least seven people in the States, including my mother. To this day, I have a 357 in the kitchen drawer should I see my brother coming down the driveway. We do not have enough time. I wanted to say something in the "Parental" thread but didn't want to traumatize the children.
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