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asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/24/2009 6:59:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire tribute = you pay, and you actually have your needs met. scam = you pay, and you don't. (Of course, the question of "why am I paying for this at all?" is one you have to ask yourself. Especially when there are so many goups and munches out there who exist to help you find others who aren't into this to just make a buck. I know there are plenty of reasons why someone would want to use the services of a pro... So this is hardly an either/or situation.) Okay, but asking for tribute is against TOS as someone posted on this thread. Secondly, paying (through tribute, or a fancy dinner, or buying her that Porsche) is one way to meet and interact with someone who might otherwise be unaccessible to them.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/24/2009 7:04:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sfdrew I don't think anybody has a problem with a true professional asking for compensation for their services, but at the same time, nobody likes to get scammed. Well, someone on this thread said tribute = scam, remember?

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/24/2009 7:10:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper A tribute is a scam you knowingly and willingly walk into. It's an act of good faith, a gamble up front which can pay off in the end or be money down the drain. I would agree with your definition that but it does seem tribute is the favored term for payment among pro-dommes, just like "donations" is the favored term among escorts. Are you really paying for sex or you giving away to the Jimmy Fund? Come on. Tributes and donations are just terms those in the sex business us because they think affords them some legal protection, or is more palatable to their moral sensibilities.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/24/2009 7:16:25 PM)
Comparing dommes to subs is like comparing apples to oranges. Better to look at the women who domme (or sub) for money versus those who don't to see if your theory is correct. quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy I agree 100% with VanessaChaland. Dommetoots are rather pathetic. Their existence out here does seem to be in contrast to the TOS of Cm. big deal. It is a scam. It is primarily based upon one's economic class. if you broke you turn to Dommetoootion. Not quite as gritty as being a true hooker. Point of interest. If you care to check this out....Look at the number of female African American subs, then check out the number of African American dommetooots. Around Chicago it is about a two to one ratio of dommetooots to subs. Maybe black chicks are simply more dominant than their white counterparts? (I have heard this as one reason as to why black dudes like to bang our proud white sistahs, black chicks can be such twats...lol) The more realistic answer is that they, african american women, need the money and view this as an easy way towards a rich and fulfilling retirement without having any true skills. Thoughts?

VanessaChaland -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 12:04:17 AM)
Just curious asianchloe, nearly half of your total post count is on this thread. Why is it that the issue of "money" (tribute, tips, scams, whatever) is of such great interest to you? :)

RedMagic1 -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 6:14:17 AM)
As a related followup, when I logged in this morning, the profile at the top of my homepage was that of a submissive woman whose master was renting her out for X dollars a week. I've seen far more of this type of profile than a year ago. I haven't written any of them. My suspicion, though, is that most are fake... but some are real. Sign of the times.

SirJ40 -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 7:17:32 AM)
In a community that argues for individuality, supposedly eschews global generalizations, and is supposed to be about tolerance, acceptance, and uniqueness... we find this thread. Wow. racism/bigotry, redneck attitude, intolerance, sweeping generalizations, and more ridiculous thoughts.. all in one place! Just because some people in a given socioeconomic class, racial group, religious group, sexual identification, or whatever act one way.. does not mean that all, or even the majority of those people in that group or class act that way. Let us examine the things we do know to be true, why don't we? ProDommes/Doms exist that are not prostitutes or scam artists. FACT. ProDommes exist that are prostitutes or scam artists. Also FACT. You can't tell the difference by looking at them or reading a profile, at least not reliably.. FACT. Men and women who find gratification or reward in being financial slaves exist... FACT. They have a right to enjoy their kink.. also FACT. Men and women who find gratification in being dominated, humiliated, tortured, given pain, treated as babies, etc etc etc... exist.. FACT Some of those people have neither the time nor inclination to hunt down a suitable/compatible lifestyle Sadist/Master/Mistress/Whateveritis and create/earn a relationship with them... FACT. Some of those people in actuality ENJOY the thought that they are getting zero "relationship" or sex out of the sessions.. also FACT. D/M/S types exist that are just as "scam artist" or "liar" without the involvement of money.... FACT Rednecks can be found all over the internet, and are both male and female.. FACT.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 9:38:58 PM)
But it seems many on CM agree that a scam has happened when someone poses as a non-pro then asks for money to meet. Assuming they do meet and provide a session you're happy with, it would make them not scammers even though they weren't upfront about their fees, right? quote: ORIGINAL: ThomasMore A "tribute" happens when you get off. A "scam" happens when they get off.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 9:42:26 PM)
Well said. I surround myself with intelligent, artistic, kind people because those people improve my quality of life. If 99% of the people in your life are incompetent or otherwise flawed, that's probably because they are the ones you can attract and keep. quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 If 99% of the people in your life are incompetent, that says more about you and your life than it does about the human race.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 9:50:30 PM)
I don't know enough pros or non-pros to weigh in on this debate but I do know that with the economy worsening, sex work has increased in numbers and many professionally educated and trained women are becoming pro-dommes (this would support Lynnxz's side). On the other hand, there probably are a number of women who buy a whip and part-time at a dungeon as a "pro" and consider themselves professional dominatrices and this decline in service is also due to the economy - the average woman who needs a quick way to make cash when their severance runs out would be attracted to the fact that while being a pro-domme may involve using a strap-on or ball-gag (things vanilla people gasp at!), the lack of nudity and actual sex is very appealing to someone brand new to the sex industry. quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz quote: ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland "Professionals"? Did you really say that? I've known many "pro-dommes" over my years. Most thought a blowjob was "kinky" when the started. They never heard of the majority of fetishes and kinks that their clients might request. They are usually one of two groups, very young adult women who hope to coast through life on their looks, doing very little and expecting to be compensated well for that, or middle aged women who feel that life somehow "shorted" them and are trying to make up for it by taking (what they see) a easy way to cash in on owning a vagina and being willing to do certain "acts". The majority of them are out of business within a few weeks/months. Even more bitter that the major cash they hoped to obtain never happend. Very very very few make it decades and ever make any serious money. Going to some cheesy online adult site, buying a whip and some handcuffs does not make one a "pro". If someone has a true and sincere interest, is willing to spend a great deal of time learning, training, practicing and then makes a career out of it, more power to her. That type however is like one out of a million. :) You must meet the bottom feeders. The women I associate with have all been knowledgeable, beautiful brilliant women. Strangely enough, all of them have degrees- one in particular uses her background in psychology to her advantage in sessions. A session with her, and you realize why she has done so well for herself over the years. I consider myself to be a professional, even though I've only been at it for a year. I might not have everthing down yet, but hey- it's all in the approach, and I've got awesome people to learn from.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 9:53:32 PM)
I'm with you. If someone wants to speak like an expert, bring on the supporting evidence. And no, I don't think telling people to "google it" themselves counts. quote: ORIGINAL: kidwithknife quote: ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland Yea, right, whatever. The laws of averages and numbers prove otherwise. You have actual statistics on this?

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 9:58:11 PM)
It's. A. Movie. I'm sure people who think the Pretty Woman scenario is realistic are the same ones waiting to be saved by the kind prince trapped inside the body of a ugly, hairy brute. You just have to love him to release the handsome prince! quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy But if you must, fantasize that the "Pretty Woman" will always be rescued by her Dick Gere. When in reality she is much more likely to be found dead in a dumpster strangled with her panties or overdosed on smack... It's not pretty but it is much more of a realistic scenario.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 10:00:17 PM)
You ask for other's opinions then dismiss them? Oh! It's because they didn't agree with you! quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: honeygirl My thought is that you should add a modifier like the word "some" to your statements. quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Maybe black chicks are simply more dominant than their white counterparts? (I have heard this as one reason as to why black dudes like to bang our proud white sistahs, black chicks can be such twats...lol) The more realistic answer is that they, african american women, need the money and view this as an easy way towards a rich and fulfilling retirement without having any true skills. Thoughts? No thanks. But feel free to do whatever floats your boat. Come to Domiguy.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 10:05:57 PM)
If you are indeed "modeling" (which is interpolation) and you are aware your statement does not encompass "all black women", and you speak "statistically", why do you feel saying it was unnecessary to clarify that you only mean SOME black women? It seems to me that if you understand any of the terms you used above, that it would also float your boat to be more precise in your language and clearer in your argument. quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: honeygirl My posting wasn't a request -- just providing you with my thoughts, as requested, lol! Since I know the proposition -- as a blanket statement applicable to all black women-- to be false, it's challenging for me to see how I, personally, could meaningfully address your conclusion. Fine, I will take the time to further explain. I chose to ommit the word "some" because I didn't feel it was necessary. It was just an exploratory observation as to what drives a woman to become a dommetoooot. I think it has much to do with one's socioeconomic status. So I chose to model this observation around "black" women. I am aware that not all black women are broke, or dommetoooots. However, if we look at "black chicks" as a group, which I often do, it is apparent that statistically they fall into the lower portion on the socioeconomic scale. So the question is are black women more dominant than their white counterparts or is it more likely that a monetary need has driven them to the exciting and challenging world of Professional Dommetoooootion? Now to expound on this matter in a fuller fashion. I believe that people that are in similar socioeconomic classes act in a according manner. Meaning that po' unedumacated white folk act virtually identical to their black counterparts. So I don't think it is too much of a stretch to expect to find the number of Prodommetooots is in direct correlation to those same people not possessing the needed skills or being able to find meaningful and rewarding work. Help?

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 10:08:05 PM)
Amen to that! quote: ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland Which is all the more reason to legalize prostitution, Pro-Dommes, Pro-Slave/subs. And the gov. should lay off the topless dancers.

asianchloe -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/25/2009 10:13:15 PM)
I was going to reply to an earlier post (about financial dom) that in most contexts it does seem odd to want to just throw your money away or get pleasure out of getting ripped off essentially (and there isn't a shortage of Nigerian scams if that's what one wanted). But within the context of a marriage, where two people trust each other to have their needs met and basically share incomes and expenses, financial domination is (probably) very common, even if that's not what it's called in everyday vanilla language. I know of many husbands who earn all the money while their wives make all the decisions about how it's spent. quote: ORIGINAL: MissIsis Isn't marriage about financial domination?

VanessaChaland -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/26/2009 2:29:24 AM)
I say the color of milk is white. Does that make me an expert? Sure does. I drink a lot of milk. If someone wishes to dispute my assertions as to the color of milk, thats their right. Am I going to spend hours providing them with links to sites that provide information about the color of milk? No, I am not. Some things in life are obvious to the majority of people that are able to reason and use some common sense. For anyone else, they need to Goggle it. I have other things to do. :) quote: ORIGINAL: asianchloe I'm with you. If someone wants to speak like an expert, bring on the supporting evidence. And no, I don't think telling people to "google it" themselves counts. quote: ORIGINAL: kidwithknife quote: ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland Yea, right, whatever. The laws of averages and numbers prove otherwise. You have actual statistics on this?

RedMagic1 -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/26/2009 6:34:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland I say the color of milk is white. Does that make me an expert? Sure does. I drink a lot of milk. Humorously enough, the error you are making is one called "biased negative sample." You are only seeing certain kinds of people, because you are negative and biased. Put out enough negative vibes, and people with positive energy will choose to avoid you. Then your conclusion is "guaranteed" to be correct, because you see no one in your life who falsifies it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_bias#Problems_caused_by_a_biased_negative_sample

LaTigresse -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/26/2009 9:30:56 AM)
My milk is a nice brown colour.

MarcEsadrian -> RE: question about "scams" vs "tributes" (3/26/2009 9:32:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: asianchloe Asking for a "tribute" is listed as Scam #8 but how is asking for a fee a scam? Pro-domming is a service and if someone requests payment for their services, where is the scam, lie or con? It's especially confusing since it seems Pro-Dommes are allowed on the site since there are profiles that state explicitly they are seeking tributes or clients. The truth is, neither fees nor tributes are scams by default. There are plenty of legitimate uses of such things, but as with anything else, there will be deception. This website has a vested interest in keeping itself from being a spamhaven or the Mistress Depot, but balances the freedom of its members pretty well here, nonetheless. A passing glance at their TOS reveals they could be much more strict about the subject.

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