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susie -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/22/2009 4:04:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

Why is there that air of competition for you, Susie. Other courageous people that have succumbed to cancer and other terminal illnesses are frequently noted in the news. Newspapers are a business like any other, they target a specific audience that the average 'joe' can identify with, that doesn't mean they are more newsworthy than the next person, but there's only so much room on the printed sheets. Wendy Richard was mentioned recently, a truly great actress whose work will be celebrated for many years to come. The greatest lady in my life to have succumbed to cancer was my own grandmother, for whom I have long paid tribute and the world is a sadder place for her absence. She wasn't newsworthy in the sense of being noted in the media, however, she was noted by our community.

The fact is, sad but true, that it has taken this lady succumbing to cancer for the powers that be to sit up and take notice, enough to consider reviewing the lowering of screening age for young sexually active women. What needs to happen now is to not let up pressure on the MPs and to keep pushing for a follow through with that review.

The problem with reading of death is that the news generally focuses on either truly great icons, or those whose lives were notorious. Thankfully, the media opted for a comfortable medium and celebrated Jade's life, and death. I just think it incredibly sad that instead of thinking how tragic it is that a young mother has died leaving two small children but that people are discussing whether it's newsworthy.


Not competition at all. I am fighting my battle my way and am happy with facing what comes my way.

I do have an issue though that the top story on the news this morning was her death. I had the news on over breakfast as I usually do to see what is going on in the world and there was nothing for a whole hour but Jade. Did nothing else happen in the world overnight?




Nairod -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/22/2009 6:37:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan


May Jade rest in peace now. So many people's lives have been touched by this courageous lady whose determination was admirable. I, for one, will remember her fondly, the tenacity with which she fought to provide for her children and the dignity she maintained in the face of adversity. She remained true to the person she was despite frequent criticisms. The legacy she has left will benefit so many young people as a result of the work she had undertaken to raise awareness nationwide. To have passed on Mother's Day is perhaps the most tragic end note.



"to raise awareness nationwide"?  Don't you think that if your young people are not already aware of a nasty and varied illness called cancer maybe it's time they left the gene pool?




kittinSol -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/22/2009 6:45:32 PM)

That was nice [8|] .




Lockit -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/22/2009 6:58:54 PM)

People simply don't think it will happen to them.  They will be young and not thinking about such things.  Then shocker of shock... no one is immune.  Something like this makes them think and I would consider that a good thing.  Should they think... sure... but when young... come on.. how many are thinking about illness and death?




AquaticSub -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/22/2009 7:32:59 PM)

~Fast Reply~

You know... I grew up walking the halls of cancer wards with my father, holding onto an American Girl doll in one arm and my father's large hand with the other. I wanted to spend time with my father, he wanted to spend time with me and a little girl willing to talk cheered up some of his patients - something I didn't understand until later in my life. In my late teens, I worked a cancer treatment clinic over the summer. That was one of the hardest things I've ever done.

Is she better than any of the people I arranged appointments for and talked to when I was little or ran in the Relay for Life with? People who died or survived very quietly with their families? No. She isn't. But, because of fate or circumstance, she was in a position to draw media attention to cancer and that young people can die of cancer. In the process of doing it, she was able to earn a lot of money to put in trust for her children.

The people who are looking down on her for this... I just can't understand you. I don't give a shit what she's done or said in the past. This isn't her penance for past mistakes. I care that people's awareness of cancer has gone up. I care that, in her last hour when most people would retreat from the public eye, she made a difference for her kids and that screenings have gone up. I hope that her children realize that their mother loved them and cared for them with her last breath. What they experience seeing all this when they are grown won't be harder than those children I saw coming in with their parents, who will have nothing but the knowledge that their mother was taken from them far too early.

Does someone have to a saint their entire life to make a difference when they realize they can?




RCdc -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 6:11:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nairod
"to raise awareness nationwide"?  Don't you think that if your young people are not already aware of a nasty and varied illness called cancer maybe it's time they left the gene pool?


When the medical community are divided on this issue, what makes you able to make that statement.  Your post only highlights that there are many people - like yourself - who aren't fully aware.  Do you realise that Jade was 27?  That she was diagnoised over a year ago and that women are only sent for screening after the age of 25?  That most cervical cancer is caused by/result of the HPV virus?  That the highest percentage of people catching hpv is 18-20? One of the issues that Jades experience and death has raising is that maybe 25 is actually too late to start the call up, not the cancer itself.  In fact, smears do not diagnoise cancer, nor are they meant to.
 
the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 6:24:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: susie
Not competition at all. I am fighting my battle my way and am happy with facing what comes my way.

I do have an issue though that the top story on the news this morning was her death. I had the news on over breakfast as I usually do to see what is going on in the world and there was nothing for a whole hour but Jade. Did nothing else happen in the world overnight?


I agree that had there been a major incident over the weekend, that maybe Jades death may not have been the top story.  However I do believe that it was newsworthy and worth a major position in the position of news articles.
 
Cancer trust record record amounts of hits.  Smear uptakes have increased.  Womens lives will be saved.
Jade never wanted to be a saint.  But she has become one because of the cause she highlighted.  People tend to forget that she became a reality t.v star.  That she was told she had a bad test result and it was best she returned to england when on the indian version of BB.  It was a natural and normal thing for her to continue the reality of life for her, just as she always had.  People die every day in the life they choose and the faith or way they follow and there will always people who will question why they died the way they did or wanted.  At least she died doing what she wanted and did best.  You can look down on her for it.  You can admire her.  Even if she saved one life doing it, it was worth it, either way she did it her way.
 
the.dark.




sirsholly -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 6:25:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: Nairod
"to raise awareness nationwide"?  Don't you think that if your young people are not already aware of a nasty and varied illness called cancer maybe it's time they left the gene pool?


When the medical community are divided on this issue, what makes you able to make that statement.  Your post only highlights that there are many people - like yourself - who aren't fully aware.  Do you realise that Jade was 27?  That she was diagnoised over a year ago and that women are only sent for screening after the age of 25?  That most cervical cancer is caused by/result of the HPV virus?  That the highest percentage of people catching hpv is 18-20? One of the issues that Jades experience and death has raising is that maybe 25 is actually too late to start the call up, not the cancer itself.  In fact, smears do not diagnoise cancer, nor are they meant to.
 
the.dark.

when i was young i thought i was invincible. hopefully what happened to her will change that mindset a bit




MissMorrigan -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 7:09:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
You know... I grew up walking the halls of cancer wards with my father, holding onto an American Girl doll in one arm and my father's large hand with the other. I wanted to spend time with my father, he wanted to spend time with me and a little girl willing to talk cheered up some of his patients - something I didn't understand until later in my life. In my late teens, I worked a cancer treatment clinic over the summer. That was one of the hardest things I've ever done.

I only ever worked with the elderly and infrequently, people in their late 20s that had terminal illnesses ranging from cancer to aids but cared for in their homes. Despite the reason for my visiting my former clients, someone coming in to discuss anything but their illness was a breath of fresh air for them, and more so, someone that wasn't afraid.  I can accept terminal illness in people who have led rich lives, but in ums, and people whose lives have been cut so tragically short is something I have a huge problem with. I am a mother, I have raised my boy who is now twenty five and he's independent, stable and a person I would be proud of knowing even were I not his mother. I am so fortunate to have been allowed that experience and if I went tomorrow, I would have not a single regret other than I would happily exchange my life now for someone who could have the opportunity of fulfilling their role as a mother.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSubThe people who are looking down on her for this... I just can't understand you. I don't give a shit what she's done or said in the past. This isn't her penance for past mistakes. I care that people's awareness of cancer has gone up. I care that, in her last hour when most people would retreat from the public eye, she made a difference for her kids and that screenings have gone up. I hope that her children realize that their mother loved them and cared for them with her last breath. What they experience seeing all this when they are grown won't be harder than those children I saw coming in with their parents, who will have nothing but the knowledge that their mother was taken from them far too early.

That's what I also don't understand, nor the bollocks I read about it being her 'karma'.
She worked tirelessly to overcome her issues, she could easily have gone the same route as the caregivers in her life, ie her mother, grandmother and father, but she fought to change her life and succeeded. The newspapers have duly paid homage to a young lady whose courage is rarely seen and I don't begrudge her one single moment of airtime. She irked me initially with her ignorantly gobby demeanour, but it truly was such a special thing to be a part of watching her transformation and she remained true to who she was, unspoilt. One thing which is a rarity, is that her little ones will be able to watch video recordings of their mother as they mature, see how infectious a personality she had and feel proud to have had her for their mum.




MissMorrigan -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 7:19:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: susieNot competition at all. I am fighting my battle my way and am happy with facing what comes my way.

There doesn't have to be a battle at all, Susie.

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ORIGINAL: susieI do have an issue though that the top story on the news this morning was her death. I had the news on over breakfast as I usually do to see what is going on in the world and there was nothing for a whole hour but Jade. Did nothing else happen in the world overnight?

I'm sure if there had been more pressing news those stories would likely have taken precedence over the notification of Jade's death. We're all individuals, what's news for one is another's irrelevant flotsam but one thing we can be sure of, her news was considered notable to a great many or it would not have received the coverage it had.




susie -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 9:47:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

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ORIGINAL: susieNot competition at all. I am fighting my battle my way and am happy with facing what comes my way.

There doesn't have to be a battle at all, Susie.



How interesting that you do not see fighting cancer as a battle. I certainly do and it is a battle for me every single day.




stella41b -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 12:43:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

I can accept terminal illness in people who have led rich lives, but in ums, and people whose lives have been cut so tragically short is something I have a huge problem with.



I'm sorry, but this is where maybe we differ in opinion - I am sorry for the loss of Jade Goody, but I don't differentiate in my attitudes towards someone suffering from any sort of terminal illness n the basis of their income or social position in life - it is still a tragedy irrespective of whether that person was born into poverty in the roughest council estate or into privilege and power the loss is still the same - that of a human life.




stella41b -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 12:52:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

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ORIGINAL: susieNot competition at all. I am fighting my battle my way and am happy with facing what comes my way.

There doesn't have to be a battle at all, Susie.



How interesting that you do not see fighting cancer as a battle. I certainly do and it is a battle for me every single day.


I also see fighting cancer as a battle just as with any serious or debilitating illness. While the death of Jade Goody can only serve to bring home to us just how short and fragile life really is, and just how important is love within that short life, I feel it is also worth to spend a moment to pause and reflect that there are those who are battling against whatever odds to survive, and that they need our support too. My heart and prayers go out to you susie that you will overcome and find victory in your battle.




MissMorrigan -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 12:55:52 PM)

Stella, rich doesn't necessarily equate to financial wealth, credit me with enough nous to be able to differentiate - I grew up on one of those estate you mentioned and haven't forgotten my roots, nor am I ashamed of them. We are not at polar opposites with regard to status, personal fulfilment equates to a rich life regardless of financial means.

Edited to add: given the postal lottery scandal regarding treatment, it would seem that the govt. does perhaps discriminate on the basis of lifestyle/income.

And to Susie, I in no way inferred that any kind of illness was not a battle for any individual. Ya know, sometimes when I read a post (especially first thing in the morning when my mind is still busy with thoughts of what's to come for my day ahead) it takes a sledgehammer to hit me between the eyes before something sinks in. I had missed your reference entirely, for which I do apologise. It was my misunderstanding.  There is always something to hit home regarding our mortality, keep your courage and strength and may you succeed in battling yours.




stella41b -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 1:15:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

Stella, rich doesn't necessarily equate to financial wealth, credit me with enough nous to be able to differentiate - I grew up on one of those estate you mentioned and haven't forgotten my roots, nor am I ashamed of them. We are not at polar opposites with regard to status, personal fulfilment equates to a rich life regardless of financial means.



Okay point taken, maybe my brain was getting ahead of me here. Would you accept my apologies?




MissMorrigan -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 1:59:38 PM)

Stella, no apologies necessary, really. It's difficult to apply those subtle nuances and convey our meaning when we're typing on a board. You misunderstood me, as I misunderstood Susie. We're human, love, nothing less x




susie -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/23/2009 2:08:22 PM)

FR

Thank you MissM and Stella. I am lucky in having some wonderful people supporting me in the battle and I am fighting it all the way.




Nairod -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/24/2009 3:14:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: Nairod
"to raise awareness nationwide"?  Don't you think that if your young people are not already aware of a nasty and varied illness called cancer maybe it's time they left the gene pool?


When the medical community are divided on this issue, what makes you able to make that statement.  Your post only highlights that there are many people - like yourself - who aren't fully aware.  Do you realise that Jade was 27?  That she was diagnoised over a year ago and that women are only sent for screening after the age of 25?  That most cervical cancer is caused by/result of the HPV virus?  That the highest percentage of people catching hpv is 18-20? One of the issues that Jades experience and death has raising is that maybe 25 is actually too late to start the call up, not the cancer itself.  In fact, smears do not diagnoise cancer, nor are they meant to.

the.dark.




I am probably nastier and more uncaring than kittinSol gives me credit for; my post was not about cancer but about ignorance and stupidity.

I know that much cervical cancer is not identified early enough. I don't know how I acquired this knowledge but I know it wasn't through interest in or awareness of Jade Goody.

I disapprove (?) of a culture where celebrities are worshipped for having pretty faces or for appearing on reality tv and so I look with contempt on those who endow Jade Goody with saintliness. She was probably a nice enough girl - interesting and feisty and upfront in character; rather like thousands upon thousands of other people.

It's the sanctimonious sugary "she touched my life" comments which irritate me. It's people who worship celebrities who annoy me. Not the cancer issue.




RCdc -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/24/2009 3:47:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nairod

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: Nairod
"to raise awareness nationwide"?  Don't you think that if your young people are not already aware of a nasty and varied illness called cancer maybe it's time they left the gene pool?


When the medical community are divided on this issue, what makes you able to make that statement.  Your post only highlights that there are many people - like yourself - who aren't fully aware.  Do you realise that Jade was 27?  That she was diagnoised over a year ago and that women are only sent for screening after the age of 25?  That most cervical cancer is caused by/result of the HPV virus?  That the highest percentage of people catching hpv is 18-20? One of the issues that Jades experience and death has raising is that maybe 25 is actually too late to start the call up, not the cancer itself.  In fact, smears do not diagnoise cancer, nor are they meant to.

the.dark.




I am probably nastier and more uncaring than kittinSol gives me credit for; my post was not about cancer but about ignorance and stupidity.

I know that much cervical cancer is not identified early enough. I don't know how I acquired this knowledge but I know it wasn't through interest in or awareness of Jade Goody.

I disapprove (?) of a culture where celebrities are worshipped for having pretty faces or for appearing on reality tv and so I look with contempt on those who endow Jade Goody with saintliness. She was probably a nice enough girl - interesting and feisty and upfront in character; rather like thousands upon thousands of other people.

It's the sanctimonious sugary "she touched my life" comments which irritate me. It's people who worship celebrities who annoy me. Not the cancer issue.



The fact remains that you singled out 'young people'.  When 'young people' aren't given the correct information in the first place, how can it be their fault and they should leave the gene pool?  Jades death raises awareness that something needs to give.  It's not just about compassion for a media celeb, but the obvious lottery that if you live in the UK, then if your in England, you get worse healthcare on this issue and if you take UK as a whole, it's a postcode lottery for prevention,treatment and care.  I remember asking for a smear and being told I was too 'young' at 20.  My daughter cannot even have the option of HPV vaccine because of her age and she is 'too old' at year 9 in the UK and they are only giving it routinely to those a year under her.  If we want that option, we have to find a clinic for it and pay.  And we are fortunate that it isnt an issue for us.
 
Your uncaring and nastiness would be more constructive if it was directed to the correct people.
 
the.dark.




Nairod -> RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' (3/24/2009 4:47:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark


The fact remains that you singled out 'young people'.  When 'young people' aren't given the correct information in the first place, how can it be their fault and they should leave the gene pool?  Jades death raises awareness that something needs to give.  It's not just about compassion for a media celeb, but the obvious lottery that if you live in the UK, then if your in England, you get worse healthcare on this issue and if you take UK as a whole, it's a postcode lottery for prevention,treatment and care.  I remember asking for a smear and being told I was too 'young' at 20.  My daughter cannot even have the option of HPV vaccine because of her age and she is 'too old' at year 9 in the UK and they are only giving it routinely to those a year under her.  If we want that option, we have to find a clinic for it and pay.  And we are fortunate that it isnt an issue for us.
 
Your uncaring and nastiness would be more constructive if it was directed to the correct people.
 
the.dark.



Hah! I'll direct my vitriol at you even though you're not the right target. (That's a compliment btw).

Firstly I mentioned young people merely as a quote - I'm happy to despise stupid people of any age. And, young or old, I guess I'd ease their way out of the gene pool for laziness combined with stupidity; if they can't be bothered to find out about life for themselves, if they have to be spoonfed and if the only awareness they have comes from media comment on celebrities then I look on them with uncaring contempt. 

I don't include 9 year olds - at that stage it's the parents who should be helping (but if the parents are lazy or stupid then hey, let's lose those genes).

Poor healthcare in the UK is a quite separate issue from my basic rant. It's an area I don't know enough about to contend with you but I'll still annoy you with a view that says sod it - life's hard and shit happens.

Get on with life and make the best of what you've got and don't expect peace and joy to be handed to you on a plate. (And for the sake of clarity "you" means people generally, not you personally!).





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