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ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/16/2009 9:17:31 PM)

This guy has to be the first scammer in the history of the Internetz to lie his age up to 56 years. You'd think that'd earn him just a little bit of leniency, no?




pahunkboy -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/16/2009 9:31:16 PM)

You cant con a con.   Famous last words of a knucklehead ex.

everything is a package deal.   with strings.   nigerian goes on every week on wall street.  back dating the sale of stocks.  

it goes with batteries not included.




WyldHrt -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/17/2009 12:11:06 AM)

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I do not deny that "Most" are so worked up that they forget to to cash a reality check or two, but Lonely Hearts are good honest and wholesome people who simply want to believe that Someone ANYONE loves them, and then they meet that someone and that someone is everything that ever wanted and hoped for, they are just in a situation that cannot be helped. The person realizes that they can have this perfect dream, this thing they always wanted, this thing they dreamed about, they can finally have the perfect picture and they are willing to go to any lengths not to let it slip away from them.

The Person on the other end KNOWS what they are doing, they know how fragile these people are and that is what makes them easy marks. Being an Easy Mark does not mean you DESERVE to be mistreated it just means you want something more than you are protecting yourself from.

This is why I hate them so much. I am a Dick, but I admit that, I put on social faces to remain civil but I make sure it is known that I am human. These people just want to be loved and because of that they are abused.

How is this their fault? I guess next Rape Victims are to blame because they wore lipstick, or Abused Wives are to Blame because they should have known when to shut up? Yes Lonely Hearts aren't always the brightest crayon in the box but that isn't an excuse to color them worthless.

150% agreed, Steel. Some here know that I spent a few years with a group that fights internet scams and counsels victims. One thing I cannot stand is the "blame the victim" mentality about the victims of internet scams, particularly love scams . Yes, most of us that are experienced with dating sites or are internet savvy can spot these scammers easily, but that is because we know the signs. Many people, particularly those new to the internet, have never even heard of 419 or Nigerian scammers. Take the victim in this case, for example. She's 56 years old and may or may not be very experienced in using the internet (I'm guessing the latter). She was lonely, so she joined a dating site looking for a mate, and hooked a leech who would have taken her very last penny had he not been caught. Since when is being lonely and more than a little naive a crime?

On a personal note, I once had the joy of informing a very poor single mother working 2 jobs to make ends meet that the cheque she had cashed for her "financee" was fake, putting her thousands of dollars in debt to her bank; money that she had no hope of being able to repay. Yeah, I really had the urge to call her stupid and tell her that she deserved to be scammed while I listened to her cry. [8|]  It was almost as much fun as telling the unemployed man who was counting on his "lotto win" to pay for his terminally ill son's medical expenses that he had sent every penny he had to a scammer. That was a real laugh riot. I could go on (and on), but I don't see the need. These are real people who were real victims, folks, and their stories are far from uncommon. I will say that I have also spoken to victims that are senile, mentally ill, physically ill, and the family members of people so caught up in these scams that they won't listen to their own children/ siblings/ parents. I have seen far too many ruined lives to place the blame anywhere but where it belongs.

That said, for those of you who want to blame the victim, here is some food for thought: Do you really think that these victims exist in a vacuum? If you cannot feel sympathy for the victim, maybe you can feel some for the family when their lives become "collateral damage", when there is no money for rent, food, or clothing because some scammer just bought himself a new house or car. Many modern 419s, love scams in particular, tend to involve their unwitting victims in illegal activities that can and have lead to the victim facing criminal charges. What happens to the family then? Did the kids deserve it, too?

These scammers can nearly smell desperation, and some of them are very good at what they do. In the case of love scammers, they will often spend months building a "relationship" with their victims before ever asking for a penny. They will send cards, gifts, and flowers (paid for with phished CC info) to their victims to appear more "real". There are phone calls, sometimes daily, with the scammer using a throwaway cell (also paid for with phished CC info), and pictures ripped from any unprotected site on the net. The good ones plunder family websites, not those featuring models. To their victims, they look like average people just looking for a match. Some of them even send copies of driver's licenses they have gotten from other victims. Daily contact on YIM is also very common, keeping the victim feeling like the relationship is real, and most who have "gotten to know" someone online and via phone know how real such a "relationship" can feel.

As an aside, for those who think most of the scammers who take people for money are the same as the average goofball with the unreal profile whose broken english cmail they delete, they aren't. Most of those are independents looking to get in on what they see as a gravy train. The good ones use well written scripts for the first few mails, then pass the victim up the chain (yes, they work in gangs) to a more talented and articulate scammer. Clue by Four: We're talking about a multimillion dollar per year "industry" folks, and one that involves cheque fraud, stolen CC info, receiving stolen goods, false documents, and many other things that require an extensive network to pull off.
Did you really think it was just some poor, starving guys pecking away at a keyboard? Bless your heart.

As to the sentence the scammer in the OP got, it's the legal equivalent of a publicity stunt. Law enforcement in Nigeria is hopelessly corrupt, and has come under attack repeatedly for failing to enforce the law as regards internet scammers. The result is the occasional "raid" and severe (very public) prosecution. Personally, I will be shocked if he serves 19 months before his Oga pays a bribe and he is back in the internet cafe, scamming some other lady out of her life's savings. 

Welcome to the Internet.






4u2spoil -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/17/2009 2:03:27 AM)

19 years seems a bit much, but if I had more time I'd respond to some of those emails just to string them along and waste time. There should be a perverted justice style site for the scams that these people perpetrate. I think I saw one, and it only had a few examples but was hilarious. A guy got an email from someone claiming to be a minister who needed funds for his church. The scammer sent a picture of his church and it was....wait for it.... the Vatican. With a photoshopped sign in front. So he plays along and tells the guy he's a minister too. Photoshops his own (more believable) church photo, and gets the scammer to do all kinds of ridiculous things like taking photos with bread on his head and time wasting stunts. He finally let him down, but it was funny to see the scammer being taken for a ride.

It's very true that internet scams can affect more than the person though. Someone I know had her email hacked, and a spammer sent a note to her entire address book about how she was traveling in Africa on business, had her  money stolen and needed someone to send thousands by Western Union to her African "friend" so she could get back home. For the first day and a half she couldn't get into her email at all, and it took another few days for her to get the account closed and shut down (the backup email address was changed, as were all passwords and reset questions). Some of her friends who aren't internet savvy sent money because it was supposedly coming from someone they knew and they weren't extremely savvy. I saw a story on CNN about something similar happening with Facebook. So it may be easy to spot a scammer initially through the "my dearest" opening, and deposed/dead dictator's benefactor story, but if it goes a bit slower and plays on the right trust buttons I'm sure it's easy for some people to be taken.




housesub4you -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/17/2009 4:58:13 AM)

Boy.....I'm just glad my lady is traveling here from Russia next year after her father is better and the Dr bills are paid off.  I only have to help her make 12 more payments and then she is free to travel.  Ohhhhh.....Boy I can't wait[:D]




cantilena -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/17/2009 5:20:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Keeping a criminal in jail is not free to any society.  I doubt many of us are up on the intricacies of Nigerian law but at some point getting the criminal back to work and paying taxes is better than the rest of the country paying for their room and board.  This applies to non-violent offenders specifically.


Are you kidding?

I'm not being facetious.  People outside Africa cannot impose different world views and standards on its countries without understanding the status quo there first.  The sad truth is that "Nigerian Justice" is for all practical purposes an oxymoron.

I'm not saying that to beat up on the poor Nigerians either; it's just a sad fact of Africa.  Nigeria's not a nice place, has never in my experience been a nice place, and regrettably has little hope of becoming a nice place soon.  They have ethnic, financial, infrastructure, and governmental problems that make our current crisis look like heaven.

It's almost impossible to comment coherently on this guy's sentence without understanding the fundamental realities of how things work in-country.

{edited for hopeful clarity}




CatdeMedici -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/17/2009 8:38:04 AM)

Other countries--many third worlds--place a greater value on lying, cheating and stealing than we do in the "free world".
 
People today are desparate for a sense of belonging, a quick fix, get rich quick---that is behavior WE have driven by the "keeping up with the Jones' mentality.




kittinSol -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/17/2009 8:47:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

Other countries--many third worlds--place a greater value on lying, cheating and stealing than we do in the "free world".



Care to refine your thought? I hope you're not trying to say that people in third world countries have lower moral standards than in the "free world" - Bernard Madoff, anyone?




Owner59 -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/17/2009 8:57:55 AM)

Nauw-ice!!!

Now if we can only get the jerks who write virus programs and throw them in the same prison....[:D]

That would be like Christmas in the summer.




Phoenixpower -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/17/2009 9:30:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Yes I do, and No that does not change my opinion.

Criminals need to FEAR committing the crime. I think Scammers in America should spend time in Nigerian Prisons.

You underestimate my particular distaste for the Criminal Brood.

Lonely Hearts Predators are the worst of them all becase in addition to stealing Money they also steal hope and how do you repay in restitution someone's hope?

Steel


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WyldHrt -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/18/2009 11:52:43 PM)

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I'm not being facetious.  People outside Africa cannot impose different world views and standards on its countries without understanding the status quo there first.  The sad truth is that "Nigerian Justice" is for all practical purposes an oxymoron.

I'm not saying that to beat up on the poor Nigerians either; it's just a sad fact of Africa.  Nigeria's not a nice place, has never in my experience been a nice place, and regrettably has little hope of becoming a nice place soon.  They have ethnic, financial, infrastructure, and governmental problems that make our current crisis look like heaven.

Well said, canilena, and a very good point. It is also a sad fact that 419 and the scammers who perpetrate it only make things worse by dragging Nigeria's reputation through the mud. Legitimate Nigerian businesses have a hell of a time getting into the European, Australian, American, etc markets, because most business people outside of West Africa (and not a few in other West African countries) refuse to deal with them, due to the fact that Nigeria has become synonymous with scammers in their eyes.






Vendaval -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/19/2009 1:38:03 AM)

Do you have some insights to share about the Nigerian justice system?  Or how the government system works there?




scarlethiney -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/19/2009 7:14:11 AM)

What is really sad is that we value money and objects so much more than a human life. Thieves often get much harsher sentencing than Murderers.

I disagree HandSolo, sentencing is not a deterrent. Just as the death penalty is not a deterrent to rape and murder. If it were we wouldn't have the most over crowded prison system in the world.

While I do realize that there are many who are incapable of being rehabilitated I do wonder why some form of rehabilitation isn't the first option with young offenders in addition to sentencing. Lets face it, its easier to lock them up than to take the time and money to try and change perception and learned behaviors. Many will call that coddling criminals. I call it a less expensive(in the long run) alternative to prison big business.
And no I am not suggesting that anyone who commits a crime not suffer consequences.

scarlet




scarlethiney -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/19/2009 7:15:47 AM)

Exactly Vendaval.




Lorr47 -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/19/2009 1:33:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

19 years is not enough for the lives they offten leave in ruin.

Some people end up in very bad ways because the believed these scams. I would like to see this person be required to spend one full year helping each person they scammed get their lives back together.

Steel


I agree it is not enough.  I have read about attempted bank robbers getting that much time.  If this woman lost her life savings to him, he should never get out.  People are certainly more important than banks.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/19/2009 2:54:07 PM)

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I think I saw one, and it only had a few examples but was hilarious. A guy got an email from someone claiming to be a minister who needed funds for his church. The scammer sent a picture of his church and it was....wait for it.... the Vatican. With a photoshopped sign in front. So he plays along and tells the guy he's a minister too. Photoshops his own (more believable) church photo, and gets the scammer to do all kinds of ridiculous things like taking photos with bread on his head and time wasting stunts. He finally let him down, but it was funny to see the scammer being taken for a ride.


You're probably thinking of this guy.  http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/
He has text of his correspondence with scammers on the website.  A lot of them are friggin' hillarious. 




UPSG -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/21/2009 9:10:45 PM)

- General Reply -

Apparently mail and internet scams aren't confined to the Nigerians.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/41543427.html  
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A Chicago couple who posed as destitute Kenyan refugees scammed Carmelite nuns in Pewaukee out of more than $815,000 over about three years, according to federal court documents.
The couple also took a Carmelite monastery in suburban Chicago for nearly $20,000 and spent about $24,000 in casinos, according to an FBI affidavit.
Angela Martin-Mulu, 35, and Edward Bosire, 39, were each being held in Chicago on a mail fraud charge and were expected to face an extradition hearing Friday, the Chicago Tribune reported on its Web site.
 
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The money the Pewaukee nuns lost had been kept in a health fund; they do not have health insurance because it is too expensive, Sister Mary Agnes said. The fund also is used for repairs to the monastery, which was built in 1957.





FullCircle -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (3/22/2009 8:10:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

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...and convinced her that he was a British widower called
Benson Lawson.


Now that is an upstanding figure of the legal community.[:D] 

 
Aka
Frank Banks
Aka
Hayley Stately

Aka
Jason Statham (western super ninja, who also happens to drive)




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (4/22/2009 8:10:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
That would give a whole new meaning to the tag of "The Dark Continent".
I don't think the meaning would be new to some.   

As to the sentencing of this scammer, I think it's a little harsh, but I wouldn't lose a night's sleep over it.   I think thieves should be harshly sentened...  Even the ones on wall street, USA.   We should probably cut internet from those scoundrels as well.   M




slaveboy291 -> RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! (4/22/2009 8:23:17 AM)

This site should do more to protect people from these scammers.  Like I don't know:

MODERATE THE ADS AND NOT APPROVE ADDS THAT HAVE NO D/S CONTENT FROM COUNTRIES KNOWN FOR HAVING SCAMMERS.

On a d/s site, these people should be even more obvious because most(though some do mention it in their ads) write as if it's plent'ofish.

For god sakes, the message needs moderation, but so do the adds.  And don't say you can't tell.  You know what countries these scammers come from.  This is a D/S website.  So if you see an add from Nigeria "I'm looking for my special somebody to spend the rest of my life with and am willing to relocate to him/her." I think it's pretty obvious.




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