Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 3:21:59 PM   
Vendaval


Posts: 10297
Joined: 1/15/2005
Status: offline 		Lockit has the right tactic, make the phone calls and write letters to your Congressional representatives.  Make your voice heard.

_____________________________

"Beware, the woods at night, beware the lunar light.
So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
"WOLF MOON", OCTOBER RUST, TYPE O NEGATIVE


http://KinkMeet.co.uk

(in reply to maybemaybenot)
Profile   Post #: 41
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 3:26:00 PM   
Lynnxz


Posts: 4813
Joined: 10/3/2006
From: Atlanta
Status: offline 		I don't care if it is just a rumor- it's one that should be addressed.

Without VA care, I'd have thousands of dollars of med bills to pay off.... not saying that the VA system couldn't use a kick in the pants to restart it though. It's a pretty chaotic, inefficient system.


_____________________________

HBIC



(in reply to Vendaval)
Profile   Post #: 42
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 3:27:47 PM   
subrob1967


Posts: 4591
Joined: 9/13/2004
Status: offline 		All I can say is, how many insurance companies are going to pay claims due to combat? High risk insurance is much more expensive than standard, and there's no way combat isn't going to be considered high risk.

(in reply to Vendaval)
Profile   Post #: 43
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:00:32 PM   
maybemaybenot


Posts: 2817
Joined: 9/22/2005
Status: offline 		reply to no one... just added info.

The White House appears to have little political capital on this issue. The veterans community is united against the plan and senior Democrats in the Senate and House have voiced their opposition.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) told VA Secretary Eric Shinseki last week that if such a plan were to come up on Capitol Hill, it would be “dead on arrival.”

“When our troops are injured while serving our country, we should take care of those injuries completely. I don't think we should nickel and dime them for their care,” Murray said during a hearing on the budget.

In their budget proposal for the VA, all Senate members of the Veterans' Affairs Committee told the two leaders of the Senate Budget Committee that they oppose the health insurance issue.

The chairman of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee, Rep. Bob Filner (D-Calif.), also expressed concern about the proposal and said that VA can still meet its revenue needs without charging veterans private or employer-offered health insurance.  Filner also has strong support from ranking member Rep. Steve Buyer (R-Ind.).

Rep. Mike Michaud (D-Maine) went as far as saying that he would not support the budget if such a plan is included.

“It's unconscionable and it is an insult to our veterans who have been hurt overseas,” Michaud told Shinseki during a committee hearing last week.


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/emanuel-to-meet-with-veterans-groups-2009-03-17.html

 to the House and Senate members, who have more sense than their leader.

_____________________________

Tolerance of evil is suicide.- NYC Firefighter

When tolerance is not reciprocated, tolerance becomes surrender.

(in reply to Lockit)
Profile   Post #: 44
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:01:23 PM   
rulemylife


Posts: 14614
Joined: 8/23/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

quote:

No, it unfortunately continues to affect us on a daily basis, so believe it or not, I'm still pretty pissed off.


The policies of FDR's administration affect us everyday too (social security).  The policies of many past administrations affect us today.  But it's up to the current powers that be to handle present problems.  When the current powers that be make bad decisions, you can't blame anyone else but them. 


Except for FDR.

Too funny.

You proclaim the Bush era is over and we need to move on while blaming FDR's policies for today's troubles.

(in reply to slaveboyforyou)
Profile   Post #: 45
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:04:45 PM   
EandD


Posts: 9
Joined: 9/12/2008
Status: offline 		If you've read the Constitution, you will know that one of the Federal Government's jobs is the defense of the Country and Her people and interests here and abroad. Care of the men and women who perform this duty is an expense I can honestly and openly say is a justified use of my hard earned dollars "donated" to the Treasury each week. A "rumor" such as this one we're discussing doesn't surprise me with this administration. Pay attention to what this administration says and does, and you will see and hear frighteningly similar comments. Mind you, not everything said and done will be "Obama's", but he is the President, and the President will be remembered for all things that happen on his, and eventually her, watch.  

(in reply to subrob1967)
Profile   Post #: 46
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:09:57 PM   
Lockit


Posts: 11292
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

quote:

No, it unfortunately continues to affect us on a daily basis, so believe it or not, I'm still pretty pissed off.


The policies of FDR's administration affect us everyday too (social security).  The policies of many past administrations affect us today.  But it's up to the current powers that be to handle present problems.  When the current powers that be make bad decisions, you can't blame anyone else but them. 


Except for FDR.

Too funny.

You proclaim the Bush era is over and we need to move on while blaming FDR's policies for today's troubles.



That is not how I read his words.  I read... that we can see or suffer from many prior leaders and policy and that we need to move on and hold the current leaders and policies accountable for what THEY do.

_____________________________

No matter how old a woman gets, some men will think she was born yesterday! ROFL... I love this place!


(in reply to rulemylife)
Profile   Post #: 47
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:12:42 PM   
slaveboyforyou


Posts: 3607
Joined: 1/6/2005
From: Arkansas, U.S.A.
Status: offline
quote:

Except for FDR.

Too funny.

You proclaim the Bush era is over and we need to move on while blaming FDR's policies for today's troubles.


I made no such proclamation.  You made an emotionally fueled, illogical comment about actions during the Bush administration in response to current actions by the Obama administration.  Nothing that you cited from the Bush administration has to do with Obama pondering the possibility of charging soldiers' private insurers for medical care.  When called on it, you said that you were still pissed at Bush because his actions affect us today.  I pointed out that actions by many past politicians affect us today.  I gave a factual example, which is FDR's responsibility for creating social security.  At no time did I "blame" him for anything. 

Your hatred and emotions are preventing you from focusing and making logical rebuttals to the topic.  Obama's administration is pondering forcing soldiers to pay for their health care through private insurers.  Your response is to childishly write, "But Bush did this....."  Well, that's irrelevant. 

(in reply to rulemylife)
Profile   Post #: 48
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:16:13 PM   
UPSG


Posts: 331
Joined: 1/22/2009
Status: offline 		- Fast Reply -

I've relied on the VA system - and admittedly I have not read this entire article - and I know from experience that a few years ago veterans were paying a small charge on VA care - that was under the Bush administration.

Personally, I think the scare is just anti-Obama hype.

(in reply to Lockit)
Profile   Post #: 49
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:21:24 PM   
rulemylife


Posts: 14614
Joined: 8/23/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

quote:

Except for FDR.

Too funny.

You proclaim the Bush era is over and we need to move on while blaming FDR's policies for today's troubles.


I made no such proclamation.  You made an emotionally fueled, illogical comment about actions during the Bush administration in response to current actions by the Obama administration.  Nothing that you cited from the Bush administration has to do with Obama pondering the possibility of charging soldiers' private insurers for medical care.  When called on it, you said that you were still pissed at Bush because his actions affect us today.  I pointed out that actions by many past politicians affect us today.  I gave a factual example, which is FDR's responsibility for creating social security.  At no time did I "blame" him for anything. 

Your hatred and emotions are preventing you from focusing and making logical rebuttals to the topic.  Obama's administration is pondering forcing soldiers to pay for their health care through private insurers.  Your response is to childishly write, "But Bush did this....."  Well, that's irrelevant. 


You need only scroll up to find who made this quote.

"Sooner or later, you're going to have to give up your obsession and anger over the Bush Administration.  It's over, it's done with, he isn't President anymore.  Move on." 

(in reply to slaveboyforyou)
Profile   Post #: 50
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:30:55 PM   
slaveboyforyou


Posts: 3607
Joined: 1/6/2005
From: Arkansas, U.S.A.
Status: offline 		Yeah....so what?  It is over, he isn't President anymore.  You wrote, "You proclaim the Bush era is over....."  Note the word, "era" in your sentence.  I assume you mean with that choice of words, that you are talking about the fallout from Bush's administration.  I never said that we aren't affected by Bush's actions.  I said that the current activities of the Obama administration in regards to the VA have nothing to do with Bush's past activities in regards to the VA.  You're the one that seems hell-bent on defending any action by the Obama administration as the result of Bush's past activities.  I'm sorry, but you're wrong.  You are trying to divert attention away from what Obama is trying to do by making an emotionally laden argument about the Bush administration. 

(in reply to rulemylife)
Profile   Post #: 51
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:31:00 PM   
maybemaybenot


Posts: 2817
Joined: 9/22/2005
Status: offline 		I think you need to fully read the articles linked in this thread and Google the matter. Democrats in the Senate and Congress are furious and are writing letters to Obama, admonishing him for this proposal and assuring him  that they will not support it. His own party is drawing a line. I don't think that is  "anti Obama hype "

                                          mbmbn

.

< Message edited by maybemaybenot -- 3/17/2009 4:32:24 PM >

_____________________________

Tolerance of evil is suicide.- NYC Firefighter

When tolerance is not reciprocated, tolerance becomes surrender.

(in reply to UPSG)
Profile   Post #: 52
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:36:36 PM   
Lockit


Posts: 11292
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline 		Well certain people in the know are taking this seriously and if they are worried about some 'hype' then I am worried about some 'hype'.

_____________________________

No matter how old a woman gets, some men will think she was born yesterday! ROFL... I love this place!


(in reply to maybemaybenot)
Profile   Post #: 53
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:39:12 PM   
domiguy


Posts: 12952
Joined: 5/2/2006
Status: offline 		It is all nonsense forwarded on by someone who doesn't understand what a reliable source is.  Call me when they actually propose this into reality...Till then I have got a pesky leperchaun's gold to acquire.  Seems more of a realistic venture than what is transpiring within this thread.

_____________________________



(in reply to maybemaybenot)
Profile   Post #: 54
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 4:51:10 PM   
BKSir


Posts: 4037
Joined: 4/8/2008
From: Salt Lake City, UT
Status: offline 		Okay, breaking down the facts here.
The V.A. has different levels of coverage, on a percentage scale related to the injury and how it affects the veteran.  Example, 70% disability, 80%, 100%, etc, for service connected issues.

Those issues then directly relate to what would be considered, in simplest terms, a 'co-pay'.  70% = 30% 'co-pay', which is already charged to insurance companies, out of pocket, etc.

Granted, to get considered 100% is next to impossible, much less 'total and permanent'.  T&P is different.  100% means there is a chance of improvement or recovery with treatment, and has to be reassessed every so often.  T&P is just that.

However, that being said, this proposal really isn't putting anything out on the table that isn't already there, aside for some much needed budget increases for the V.A.

Now, I will admit that I would much rather see ALL retired and honorably discharged veterans get 100% coverage.  They already paid, in my opinion.  So, in that sense, I am still a bit upset about this.  Also, it does, admittedly, sound as though the plan would indeed increase the 'co-pay' that is charged to insurance and out of pocket cost, and I agree that it could and probably will put a larger burden on the veterans affected, as well as, as others have mentioned, employers and insurance companies.

What dismays me the most though, is that this is coming from the one candidate that was on the Veterans Affairs Committee, and, in the past has done all he can to raise benefits and services.  This is a complete about face from that, and makes me wonder if there isn't some confusion on the bill itself.  Being breaking news I'm willing to wait for a few days to see about any clarification in the matter, as it just makes no sense at all.


_____________________________

We'll begin with a spin, traveling in a world of my creation. What we'll see will defy explanation.

I am the voices in your head.

BiggKatt Studios

(in reply to Lockit)
Profile   Post #: 55
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 5:11:59 PM   
rulemylife


Posts: 14614
Joined: 8/23/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Yeah....so what?  It is over, he isn't President anymore.  You wrote, "You proclaim the Bush era is over....."  Note the word, "era" in your sentence.  I assume you mean with that choice of words, that you are talking about the fallout from Bush's administration.  I never said that we aren't affected by Bush's actions.  I said that the current activities of the Obama administration in regards to the VA have nothing to do with Bush's past activities in regards to the VA.  You're the one that seems hell-bent on defending any action by the Obama administration as the result of Bush's past activities.  I'm sorry, but you're wrong.  You are trying to divert attention away from what Obama is trying to do by making an emotionally laden argument about the Bush administration. 


I see.

So first, you proclaim that you never proclaimed what you did proclaim, in writing.

Then you proclaim even if you did say it, "So what".

Now you are proclaiming that my choice of words makes your proclamation valid.

Like I said earlier, too funny.

(in reply to slaveboyforyou)
Profile   Post #: 56
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 5:51:39 PM   
slaveboyforyou


Posts: 3607
Joined: 1/6/2005
From: Arkansas, U.S.A.
Status: offline
quote:

I see.

So first, you proclaim that you never proclaimed what you did proclaim, in writing.

Then you proclaim even if you did say it, "So what".

Now you are proclaiming that my choice of words makes your proclamation valid.

Like I said earlier, too funny.


You're the one that isn't addressing the main point of the thread.  I guess any criticism of Obama will be met with, "Well Bush did this, and Bush did that....BUSH! DAMN YOU! BUSHHHHHH!"


(in reply to rulemylife)
Profile   Post #: 57
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 6:22:33 PM   
xBullx


Posts: 4206
Joined: 10/8/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Bush isn't President anymore.  Obama is President, and the wrongs of the Bush Administration are not a valid reason for Obama to make bad decisions.  Honestly it sounds incredibly childish when Obama supporters do this. 




_____________________________

Live well,

Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

(in reply to slaveboyforyou)
Profile   Post #: 58
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 6:26:10 PM   
xBullx


Posts: 4206
Joined: 10/8/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

It is all nonsense forwarded on by someone who doesn't understand what a reliable source is.  Call me when they actually propose this into reality...Till then I have got a pesky leperchaun's gold to acquire.  Seems more of a realistic venture than what is transpiring within this thread.


Does the daffy duck thing and runs off with the leperchaun's pot...., I mean gold....


"It's mine, it's mine; it's mine all mine....mine all mine I tell ya...."

awwwwwwwwwwwwww shucky ducky..quaaaaaaaaack quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

_____________________________

Live well,

Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

(in reply to domiguy)
Profile   Post #: 59
RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 7:23:38 PM   
thishereboi


Posts: 14463
Joined: 6/19/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

quote:

No, it unfortunately continues to affect us on a daily basis, so believe it or not, I'm still pretty pissed off.


The policies of FDR's administration affect us everyday too (social security).  The policies of many past administrations affect us today.  But it's up to the current powers that be to handle present problems.  When the current powers that be make bad decisions, you can't blame anyone else but them. 


Except for FDR.

Too funny.

You proclaim the Bush era is over and we need to move on while blaming FDR's policies for today's troubles.



That is not how I read his words.  I read... that we can see or suffer from many prior leaders and policy and that we need to move on and hold the current leaders and policies accountable for what THEY do.


Yea that is how I read it also.

_____________________________

"Sweetie, you're wasting your gum" .. Albert


This here is the boi formerly known as orfunboi


(in reply to Lockit)
Profile   Post #: 60
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094