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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 5:47:07 AM   
MissIsis


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Status: offline 		Not a chance.  My submissives only get "beaten" as a reward.  

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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 6:49:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetgirlseeks

Hi,
Would you consider a girl who needs to be beaten almost daily to keep her 'attitude adjusted' to be a slave?

~sgs



No.

The described is not my idea of a slave.

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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 6:59:03 AM   
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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 8:08:57 AM   
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Well, thank you to all who responded.

I have come to think that she is his slave because he, in fact, does 'own' her... I guess.

I suppose we all have our interpretation of what a M/s dynamic should look like.  What I experienced there was pretty much the farthest from what I had ever envisioned.  

~sgs 

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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 8:38:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		i do not believe this constitutes actual lifestyle slavery...but if it is you interpretation and it works go for it!
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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 8:42:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
Anyone who maintains a bad attitude and has to be beaten daily and then just goes back to the bad attitude, I would consider a controlling masochist but not a slave.


Possibly, or perhaps a slave with unmet needs who isn't allowed to speak freely, with a dominant who is afraid of hearing any criticism.

Too little information to make a determination.

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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 8:50:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		If a girl needs constantly reminding in that way to keep her attitude on the right track, then she is not a slave.. she is a brat. IMO the right attitude would come naturally in a slave, because your attitude is about pleasing your Master, not trying to manipulate Him to suit your own desires.. (topping from the bottom)

If a girl needed that treatment daily to keep her masochistic side from biting, was open, and was honest & straight with her Master about it, instead of playing games and using attitude (bratting) to get a beating.. It would be much less detrimental to the relationship.

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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 8:51:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Her actions of being mouthy to get punishment doesnt sound like being slave is her agenda.  To me, that is like topping from the bottom, and though at times it is a form of play, and can be fun for both,  i find it highly disrespectful , and like your child who wants attention by a negative behavior....in order to learn its not acceptable... you ignore the request by stating that a more appropriate attitude is in order to receive what you seek.

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RE: slave? - 3/22/2009 9:32:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me i see the OP's scenerio being two fold

1. Maybe he has trained her this way and this is part of their dynaminc in which she is yes BEING his slave and a slave by responding to the environment he has set for her to exist in and this is part if what he enjoys and part of what she needs from him.  Observers may not agree with it, but observers aren't part and parcel to the dynamic.

2.  Or  the OP's scenerio tells me  a possibility is the girl is looking more for mastery -- which would through the process create the safety and security of mindsets and understanding of her place -- rather than punishment.

Sounds like the Master or Dom could be lacking the mastery to hold the girl and she is seeking something from him that she cannot define because she has never had it before -- mastery.  So she finds that this is working on the surface for her and him to exist as Master and slave for now.

I don't see this as the slave isn't being a slave -- sure she is, she is being exactly as he is allowing so this may actually be working for them in their dynamic of master and slave.  If he doesn't like the behavior -- she wouldn't still be his slave or he would have changed things.  If this is mastery of a slave and not submission of a submissive, then the Man should be capable of mastering the girl enough to where she is secure in her place without continuing a neverending scenerio unless he wants too. 

So that is my take, either way -- i think she is being exactly what he is allowing her to be as his slave -- whether either of them are happy or discontented will eventually come out if the cry for her place and the punishment act ever gets old and they both need and want something more.  Just because a Man punishes his slave over and over again doesn't mean she is necessarily doing something that doesn't please him.

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RE: slave? - 3/23/2009 3:53:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		neither a slave nor someone that needs an attitude adjustment

just a person who enjoys being spanked daily

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RE: slave? - 3/23/2009 9:20:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well i knew this Dom who's sub (not slave) was always doing thing to get beatan she was maso.  The Dom finally dismissed her because he said whan he is with his sub he want to relax.  Beating that sub all the time was too much like work.  As to is she a slave or not  not very slavelike behavor but it is up to what her Master and her think she is or not.

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RE: slave? - 3/23/2009 9:25:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like she had a much stronger masochistic drive than he did a sadistic one. Pity they didn't discover they were incompatible before beginning a relationship.

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RE: slave? - 3/23/2009 9:05:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlseeks

Hi,
Would you consider a girl who needs to be beaten almost daily to keep her 'attitude adjusted' to be a slave?

~sgs



I would if this person consider herself a slave. I don't think it's up to anyone else to decide what label one person should carry.

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RE: slave? - 3/23/2009 10:00:06 PM   
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I think I haven't been given nearly enough information to form an opinion regarding what someone else is or is not.

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RE: slave? - 3/23/2009 10:08:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		If she was owned, and her Master considered her a slave, so would I. If the Master has no problem with daily beatings and attitude adjustments than why should I decide that it is a problem?  I know some wouldnt consider Fox a slave because of some of our interactions, but he still is one. Maybe not their idea of one, but their idea really isnt the important one now is it?

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RE: slave? - 3/23/2009 11:51:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the beatings are -- as it so seems -- discipline to keep her from being mouthy, rebellious, etc. then she is definitely not naturally in a mental slave mode and doesn't want to be.  If you just beat a dog to keep it from biting you, don't be surprised if it lets the next burglar get past it without it biting them either.  The sub or slave "spirit" is either natural or not -- trying to beat that spirit into someone never works without destroying them or making them rebel.  Just read Frederick Douglas if you want to know about real slavery in this sense.   "Consensual" does not "need" daily beatings to re-enforce.


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RE: slave? - 3/24/2009 12:36:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlseeks

Hi,
Would you consider a girl who needs to be beaten almost daily to keep her 'attitude adjusted' to be a slave?

~sgs


hells to the no..

I call myself a switch.. although after a recent experince I had.. I do like the Dominate side more.. and like being a Mistress ... a girl with a attitude is just that.. a girl with an attitude, nothing more nothing less. she is not slave material...


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RE: slave? - 3/24/2009 9:52:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly I find this topic a bit malicious in regards to the girl in question... Why would a "a girl with an attitude" not be considered a slave? She's owned, isn't she? That's really what makes one a slave... I believe that the girl in question does not go into slave-mode naturally, but needs a dominant force to put her in that position. This world is filled with all sorts of different people. Some like a girl who obeys without questioning, others find it challenging and fun taming a "wild girl" or a brat if you will. Although I don't get why "brat" has to have such a negative feeling to it. 
I believe brats are girls with a higher need for active domination. Some girls like to simulate the feeling of truly being controlled rather than obeying every order mindlessly... not that that's bad either.
But this is why I don understand why people keep bringing up topics such as these.. the fate of this topic was decided from the moment the op used the words "Would you consider this a slave?" ... now we have people calling this person brat, sam and whatnot, while other try to have a more neutral position and say your kink is not my kink and so on... But honestly I don't see how this will help anyone. I refuse to believe that the OP hadn't already made up her mind about this before she started the topic... But forgive me if I'm wrong. I guess I'm just sort of tired of these topics.
I see nothing wrong with what the girl in question is doing. We don't know the situation. Maybe it's the dom who lacks enough dominant force, leaving the girl needy and empty. Maybe this is her way of sparking that dominant force in him. Or hopes to do so. But if the dom/master really doesn't like her behaviour, he would use itnense training to train her... That means every time she acted like this, he'd use forms of punishments OTHER than what she wants...

Heck.... I don't even get why people refer to 'slaves' as people whom obey without questioning... Cos real slaves from the history never had such attitudes. It's all about what you make it right? So be open to everyone, and be sure that you know the whole story before judging is someone is "slave material" or not...


Anyway this was my rant for the day... I didn't mean to offend anyone, so if you have been offended, please forgive me. ... ... I just want everyone to be friends <.< God I'm lame...

Oh and btw, this is a quick reply.. I'm not replying to anyone in particular.

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RE: slave? - 3/24/2009 3:48:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlseeks

Hi,
Would you consider a girl who needs to be beaten almost daily to keep her 'attitude adjusted' to be a slave?

~sgs




quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlseeks

Thank you for the responses so far.  Just for the record, I am not referring to myself.  I am quite on the opposite end of the spectrum, but recently was in a situation where I was with a 'sister slave', that required almost daily beatings and even with that, she often got mouthy.   Being very different then her, I kind of jumped to my own conclusions. 

But then again, we are all different, so I wanted to get a 'feel' for what the community in general felt. 

~sgs



quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlseeks

Greetings,
Well, thank you to all who responded.

I have come to think that she is his slave because he, in fact, does 'own' her... I guess.

I suppose we all have our interpretation of what a M/s dynamic should look like.  What I experienced there was pretty much the farthest from what I had ever envisioned.  

~sgs 


ya know, no offence to anyone, and this is just a fast reply, but we only have the views of one person.  we dont know what the girl in question thinks/feels/expected.  nor do we know what the Master feels, ect.  all we have are the postings of a girl who was also in the dynamic who admitted she jumped to conclusions.

im curious, are you all still together?  if not, who left and why?

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RE: slave? - 3/24/2009 4:11:07 PM   
sweetgirlseeks


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Status: offline 		Hi tazzygirl,

I know only the kind of slave I am, and haven't had a great deal of exposure to lots of other slaves.  I kind of went in having my own view of what an M/s dynamic would look like, and my own idea of how a slave behaves and responds to things.   I really didn't go in thinking there was a lot of back-and-forth arguing or constantly questioning the Master.  I especially wouldn't think this would be so after the relationship had been established for a reasonable amount of time.

In fact, he does believe he owns her, and he acknowledges her as his slave... so by that fact alone, from what I have read, I acknowledge that she is his slave.  

But I went in thinking that this was going to be a beautiful dynamic that I could learn from, and hopefully grow into being part of, and instead I saw daily strife.  That is not the kind of M/s dynamic I am looking for.   But they have been together for a long time and it works for them.  I am no longer part of it, and I was just trying to figure out whether my idea of slave was too ideal.   But for me, it isn't because I know what I am capable of being like if given the right Master and the right environment.  

Being still rather new, I was just putting this out there to get others thoughts, to help me kind of figure this out a bit and formulate some conclusions that weren't purely based on my own ideals, but also had a little input from the community and the various different viewpoints and experiences out there.

When talking to me, he referred to her constant need for punishment as her needing an 'attitude adjustment'.  Those are his words, and that is why I referred to it as such.   I understand the need for that once in a while, because we all need that at times, but once or twice a day just seemed a bit much to me and made me feel uncomfortable.  Also, since that was the way he interacted with her., I didn't want that spilling over to the way he dealt with me. I need a rather different dynamic to open up.

That's all... nothing else.

~sgs

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