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sirsholly -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 3:16:58 PM)
Read what i highlighted... quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Do I think that there are an inordinate amount of people that have reached this place due to mental or physical trauma or abuse?...You betcha. Just read the tales of rape, incest and other forms of abuse that show up here regularily. What do you say to someone that states they have no limits and will do whatever another asks of them? Do you ask what happened to you? Do you want to meet their folks to see where exactly things went astray? Would anyuone want this for their own daughter? There is not a chance in Hell that my daughter would ever end up in this type of a predicamant. I would instill self worth and confidence. She would take pride in her ideals and place values upon her mind and her body. There are two side to this fence. There are plenty of guys out here that are completely incapable of pursuing a meaningful relationship with a woman...So they hide behind the Dom mask. whatever. Both are equally pathetic. did someone say pathetic? \ Yep. I did. I assure you that many of the "no limiters" out here did not have a happy and healthy past. Way out of whack when compared to their vanilla counterparts. You really want to argue this point? It is obvious. you sicken me

Mercnbeth -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 3:25:24 PM)
quote: I assure you that many of the "no limiters" out here did not have a happy and healthy past. Way out of whack when compared to their vanilla counterparts. THE voice of absolute authority with a litany of supporting information speaks! All those representing themselves as being involved in a no limits, no safe-word relationship who think they had a "happy and healthy past" need to reassess their lives; because it's just NOT possible. Perhaps a past life regression session, or a deep hypnotic state where it will be determined that, at birth, your doctor not only spanked you, but inserted a finger up your ass. DG says that's the source of your delusional representation of being happy, confident, and content. I ASSURE you (note, I said it in CAPS, so I'm winning!) that many of the "limiting" out here did not have a happy and healthy past. If you read it on CM - it MUST be true! However, and this is where I disagree with the man of letters DG, I don't think it is "out of whack" or disproportionate to their 'kinky' counterparts. quote: You really want to argue this point? It is obvious. Arguments have been made and without the need of disparaging the contrary opinion. Pointing to the potential dangers for sure, but never saying or insinuating that a person can't survive, and lead healthy lives through the use of safe words and/or limits. The "obvious" is that you can NOT argue for your points, and therefor your argument can be summarized as the equivalent of the juvenile; "NO YOU CAN'T!" Obviously.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 3:25:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl http://www.msnbc.msn.com/?id=11881780&q=sex%20slave&p=1&st=1&sm=user the true "no limit" slaves not quite a rarity as you may wish to believe Three stories does not make something common place. I'd already agreed that these things do happen but just not as common plac as the likes of domi guy, Shakiwhatever and obviously yourself believe. Your link does nothing to change my mind.

NormalOutside -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 3:30:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Do I think that there are an inordinate amount of people that have reached this place due to mental or physical trauma or abuse?...You betcha. Just read the tales of rape, incest and other forms of abuse that show up here regularily. What do you say to someone that states they have no limits and will do whatever another asks of them? Do you ask what happened to you? Do you want to meet their folks to see where exactly things went astray? Would anyuone want this for their own daughter? There is not a chance in Hell that my daughter would ever end up in this type of a predicamant. I would instill self worth and confidence. She would take pride in her ideals and place values upon her mind and her body. There are two side to this fence. There are plenty of guys out here that are completely incapable of pursuing a meaningful relationship with a woman...So they hide behind the Dom mask. whatever. Both are equally pathetic. Strongly disagree. It's strange... you seem like a popular person here, and you seem able to construct a sentence. And yet the words coming out of your mouth are......... ignorant and uneducated, to say the very least. Wow.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 3:39:41 PM)
im not attempting to change your mind. it happens, more often than even the new reports. i cannot change the views of anyone else. you made the claim they are rare. you asked for proof. i offered up proof that it does indeed happen. can you argue the point that slavery exists in the "real world"? that these women are brutilized and tortured daily? or do we just discount them because they dont fit into your equation of what a slave is? can you imagine the pain, the degredation, the utter dispair these women live in day in and day out? after imagining that, can you honestly sit there and tell me they wouldnt kill for the men who "own them"?

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 3:52:52 PM)
quote: im not attempting to change your mind. it happens, more often than even the new reports. No argument from me. quote: you made the claim they are rare. you asked for proof. I would still offer the opinion that compared to the healthy no limt slave relationships they are rare. quote: can you argue the point that slavery exists in the "real world"? You proved yourself that slavery exists in the real world with your articles. quote: that these women are brutilized and tortured daily? Again you proved this. quote: or do we just discount them because they dont fit into your equation of what a slave is? No we don't discount them, they exist and i never said they didn't. quote: can you imagine the pain, the degredation, the utter dispair these women live in day in and day out? I can compare experiences i have had. However i cannot possibly completely understand unless i've walked a mile in their shoes. quote: after imagining that, can you honestly sit there and tell me they wouldnt kill for the men who "own them"? No i can't. Now though how about you prove to me that the likes of myself and others who have posted here are anything like those girls? Is it not possible that there is such a thing as a healthy relationship with no limits? Is it not possible that the slaves and subs involved in these are completely sane? Is it not possible that slaves who are hired out are not disease ridden whores? I've accepted and have all along if you read my posts that there are crazy subs out there? That there are dangerous doms out there? That there are diseased whores out there etc etc, isn't it time it was admitted that my side of the coin exists too?

persephonee -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 3:57:53 PM)
i have read this thread, and i dont see where anyone is saying that EITHER type of situation doesnt exist. In WIITWD, there are more healthy relationships than exploitative ones, at least in my limited experience. That is not to say that the other type isnt real. But no one here is going to say that people who do what we do are NOT sane...go to a conservative discussion board and argue that you are sane and there will be a lot more resistance. A good take down is exactly what i could use about now myself....stretches long muscles and searches house for Sir

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 4:01:16 PM)
I'd beg to differ. Domiguys and Shakiwhatevers posts pretty much exclude any chance of healthy no limit relationships and healthy hirings out.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 4:03:55 PM)
i never said there were not healthy, emotionally stable forms of no limit slavery. my post was merely to argue the point that the other does exist, in this day and age, and the views that this kind of slavery is extremely detrimental. my contention is that for every good relationship, there is a bad one. yes, experiences do color how we view things. lets not discount that there are bad people, and people caught up in the web of those bad people. in the healthy ones, the owner cares, and your limits are negligent because they are also his/hers. in the bad ones, there are no limits because no one cares, everyone is out for themselves. the value of human life is dimissed as the cock grows. a gang bang sounds great. most men love to fantasize about them. a few are willing to allow their girls to have them. im sure these girls enjoy them. put yourself into a place where all they see is a series of holes to be filled. imagine if your man was over powered and neither of you had control anymore. those are also real possibilities.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 4:13:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl i never said there were not healthy, emotionally stable forms of no limit slavery. my post was merely to argue the point that the other does exist, in this day and age, and the views that this kind of slavery is extremely detrimental. my contention is that for every good relationship, there is a bad one. yes, experiences do color how we view things. lets not discount that there are bad people, and people caught up in the web of those bad people. Then why are we debating this? I never denied the unhealthy relationships existed and you aren't denying the good ones exist. The only thing i would question is that for every good no limit relationship there is one where someone asks for the other to chop their arm off or kill someone.

NihilusZero -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 4:52:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl http://www.msnbc.msn.com/?id=11881780&q=sex%20slave&p=1&st=1&sm=user the true "no limit" slaves not quite a rarity as you may wish to believe I bet if you did a "study" of these women you would find that they all came from two parent homes. That they all graduated from high school (maybe even college) That they never experienced any form of abuse. They were all perfectly well rounded fucks. Still incapable of anything but backwards logic and "betting"? I bet that if everyone who "bet" with their gut without actually having any substance or research to their betting was put in charge of getting things done and/or figured out, we'd still be scratching our assess in a cave.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 4:57:59 PM)
have you looked up the statistics on that kind of slavery? do you not comprehend the magnitude of the trade of flesh? i assure you, those women would do exactly as told. regardless of what they are told.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 5:12:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl have you looked up the statistics on that kind of slavery? do you not comprehend the magnitude of the trade of flesh? i assure you, those women would do exactly as told. regardless of what they are told. I'm not saying they wouldn't. I will still contend though that the slaves who have committed murder or cut off their own arms to order are very much in the minority and unless you can prove otherwise..................... As i said before and i will say again what i am objecting to here is the opinions that there are no no limit slaves who are sane and that there are no hired out slaves that aren't disease ridden whores. Claims you yourself have said you have not made so where's the problem? I have stated that i agree with you that bad things happen to people and you have stated you agree with me that there are some healthy no limit relationships too. So why continue to prod away at the same point you have made over and over and i have agreed with over and over?

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 5:26:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: Of course that power has to be given to the "M" but so few as they come into the path really understand the baisics and protocols. thus they fall victim to wanabees and worse. I think what you're failing to understand here Cp is that there will never be a universal agreement on what the 'basics' or 'protocol' is. everyone has differing opinions, versions of these things so there will never be an agreement of what is right and wrong. Just like there will never be universal agreement on the slave vs sub debate, no limits vs limits, hiring out vs non-hiring out, whats bratting and whats not, maoschists more valued than non-masochists etc etc. You could go on forever with these lists. at some point the argument has to stop or go round in never ending circles. At some point it has to be accepted that everyones opinions and views are different and that there probably is no right or wrong, just what is right or wrong for each of us as individuals. Intongues, Perhaps your correct, but it is just my nature to attempt to bring order to chaos! CP

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 5:27:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: Of course that power has to be given to the "M" but so few as they come into the path really understand the baisics and protocols. thus they fall victim to wanabees and worse. I think what you're failing to understand here Cp is that there will never be a universal agreement on what the 'basics' or 'protocol' is. everyone has differing opinions, versions of these things so there will never be an agreement of what is right and wrong. Just like there will never be universal agreement on the slave vs sub debate, no limits vs limits, hiring out vs non-hiring out, whats bratting and whats not, maoschists more valued than non-masochists etc etc. You could go on forever with these lists. at some point the argument has to stop or go round in never ending circles. At some point it has to be accepted that everyones opinions and views are different and that there probably is no right or wrong, just what is right or wrong for each of us as individuals. Intongues, Perhaps your correct, but it is just my nature to attempt to bring order to chaos! CP And mine to bring chaos where order reigns [:D]

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 5:28:14 PM)
i dont see them as in the minority. in fact, according to statistics, 700,000. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/725805/sex_slavery_in_america.html?cat=17 you say the probability for you to kill anyone or cut off an appendage is minimal to non-extistent. can you be so sure thats the same for these others?

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 5:39:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl i dont see them as in the minority. in fact, according to statistics, 700,000. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/725805/sex_slavery_in_america.html?cat=17 you say the probability for you to kill anyone or cut off an appendage is minimal to non-extistent. can you be so sure thats the same for these others? Ok you can stop twisting my words now. I said the minority have probably killed or maimed themselves to order. I didn't say it was definite, i said it was my opinion. I didn't say bad relationships were in the minority, i said i didn't believe they were on a 1 to 1 par with good relationships. You can throw statistics at me all you like about the sex trade, i'm perfectly aware it exists and never denied it did. Now i don't know about you but going round in circles and repeating myself is getting rather tiring and boring for me. Unless you have something constructive to discuss that i haven't already agreed with you about, in other words the sex slave trade stuff then i suggest this stops now.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 5:41:43 PM)
narrow minds often take this route. you asked for proof. i gave it. stop trying to insinuate your way is the only way.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 5:44:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl narrow minds often take this route. you asked for proof. i gave it. stop trying to insinuate your way is the only way. You gave me proof slaves were killing and chopping off thier own limbs? And please be my guest and show me where i said my way was the only way? Oh and just so i know my way was the only way to do what?

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (3/30/2009 5:47:21 PM)
no, i gave you proof the posibility exists.. and proof that other slaves are trafficing for their owners knowing the girls are going to be killed. its your stubborn nature that refuses to see the actuallity and possibilities that could come from these situations. stay ignorant, i heard its blissful... until your picked up.

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