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RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 11:40:16 AM   
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This is as good a simplistic overview of what we're being dragged through against our will as any I've seen. There are a number of connections, and a number of amounts, that are rarely if ever seen in more mainstream media.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover


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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 11:55:23 AM   
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Wow. Still relevant, after all these years. This is exactly what this magazine used to be known for, back when it was still printed on newsprint. The Krugman article a couple of months ago, and now this.... I might have to start picking up a copy every now and then, give these guys a second look.

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People are pissed off about this financial crisis, and about this bailout, but they're not pissed off enough. The reality is that the worldwide economic meltdown and the bailout that followed were together a kind of revolution, a coup d'état. They cemented and formalized a political trend that has been snowballing for decades: the gradual takeover of the government by a small class of connected insiders, who used money to control elections, buy influence and systematically weaken financial regulations.
The crisis was the coup de grâce: Given virtually free rein over the economy, these same insiders first wrecked the financial world, then cunningly granted themselves nearly unlimited emergency powers to clean up their own mess. And so the gambling-addict leaders of companies like AIG end up not penniless and in jail, but with an Alien-style death grip on the Treasury and the Federal Reserve — "our partners in the government," as Liddy put it with a shockingly casual matter-of-factness after the most recent bailout.



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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 12:33:06 PM   
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Rolling Stone Magazine often doesn't get the credit it deserves from the mainstream as a media source, simply because of their target demographic.  In fact, they have received numerous journalism awards, and not just from MTV, but rather a couple such as the Robert F. Kennedy Journalism Award, and the National Magazine Awards, competing in categories against other publications such as The New Yorker and National Geographic.

Just because it's targeted to them durn young hooligans with their devil music on their new fangled 8-track music players, don't necessarily dismiss it. ;)


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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 2:05:23 PM   
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People are pissed off about this financial crisis, and about this bailout, but they're not pissed off enough. The reality is that the worldwide economic meltdown and the bailout that followed were together a kind of revolution, a coup d'état. They cemented and formalized a political trend that has been snowballing for decades: the gradual takeover of the government by a small class of connected insiders, who used money to control elections, buy influence and systematically weaken financial regulations. The crisis was the coup de grâce: Given virtually free rein over the economy, these same insiders first wrecked the financial world, then cunningly granted themselves nearly unlimited emergency powers to clean up their own mess/  snip

that pretty much covers it.   the general public has no clue as to how to cope.  One simple item- supply disruptions.   Can you picture that?  People want what they want and NOW. 

My brother just bought a Mercedes.   Bad idea.   When people start rioting, I sure dont want to look like a banker.   The media is complicit in all this- as is the educational system.

The world was nuts in the 80s.  But now a days, the 80s look holy and pure.

The thing is- as a culture, as a society, as a people, we "let" this happen.


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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 4:56:10 PM   
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Matt Taibbi has written an excellent, well-researched piece on the Goldman/Paulson/Geithner connection, and the saving of not AIG but that prestigious investment banker that has spawned so many Secretary of the Treasury candidates.  The subject is complex to most people who have never worked in the financial markets, including many who have, obviously, by the way CEO's of the major institutions allowed a small handfull of people to "bet the balance sheet" with 30 to 35-1 leverage in CDO's, CDS's, and MBS's derivitive products. They were literally printing money!

One kinda important name that Taibbi missed, and a key player in the disaster in the banking industry was, no not Barney Frank, but  Mr. Robert Rubin, Secretary of the Treasury during the Clinton administration.  It was Bob Rubin who lobbied the The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999. Like Glass-Steagall, it has become known for the key sponsors of the bill as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, a bill that repealed key aspects of the Glass-Steagall Act, smoothing the way for the creation of financial megafirms like Citigroup  It was Rubin who got Bill Clinton to endorse this legislation.  Interestingly, Rubin went on to work for Citicorp for about $15 million a year, and only recently resigned.  One of the old rules in Wall Street is to watch for the resignations on the Board of Directors.  No one wants to be a director of a bankrupt company!

This essay in Rolling Stone, hopefully, will encourage more investigative reporting on how we got where we are today in the blow up of the economy.  It starts back in the late 1970's and continued on to the politically fabricated legislation called  a Stimulus Bill signed into law by Obama.  It's politics as usual in Washington, and all of us are now forced against our wills to guarantee the toxic portfolios of banks and the uncaring ignorance and radical politics of our representatives.

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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 5:20:08 PM   
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But now a days, the 80s look holy and pure.



Come on now, the decade othat invented ninety degree angles shoulder pads and zigzaggy eyeshadow (in tri colour: purple, turquoise, watermellon) wasn't THAT pure .

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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 5:22:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

But now a days, the 80s look holy and pure.



Come on now, the decade othat invented ninety degree angles shoulder pads and zigzaggy eyeshadow (in tri colour: purple, turquoise, watermellon) wasn't THAT pure .


Two words - Billy. Idol.


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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 5:23:09 PM   
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A babe, an amazing talent. He dropped out from my university :-) .

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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 5:27:30 PM   
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Billy Idol and Spike  from angel/buffy keep many of my fantasies of the 80s alive
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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 5:31:08 PM   
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A babe, an amazing talent. He dropped out from my university :-) .


Whoa.... you've got your own university?

Sorry. Gratuitous 80's movie reference there. Free set of steak knives for the first person to name the movie.

Seriously, though, now I know what school you went to. You're a very brave woman. Next thing you know, you'll be posting pictures of yourself on the internetz or something.


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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 6:14:36 PM   
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A babe, an amazing talent. He dropped out from my university :-) .

I guess you know, then, how Sus-sex-y you are.
 
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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 7:14:45 PM   
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A babe, an amazing talent. He dropped out from my university :-) .

I guess you know, then, how Sus-sex-y you are.
 
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I've mentioned it to her once or twice.

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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 7:36:48 PM   
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Word is that Billy Idol walked around naked back stage. 

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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 7:50:23 PM   
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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/23/2009 8:46:22 PM   
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Thank you for posting this UncleNasty.

I found a lot of it to be very interesting and informative.

Especially These Sections

"Cassano's outrageous gamble wouldn't have been possible had he not had the good fortune to take over AIGFP just as Sen. Phil Gramm — a grinning, laissez-faire ideologue from Texas — had finished engineering the most dramatic deregulation of the financial industry since Emperor Hien Tsung invented paper money in 806 A.D. For years, Washington had kept a watchful eye on the nation's banks. Ever since the Great Depression, commercial banks — those that kept money on deposit for individuals and businesses — had not been allowed to double as investment banks, which raise money by issuing and selling securities. The Glass-Steagall Act, passed during the Depression, also prevented banks of any kind from getting into the insurance business.

But in the late Nineties, a few years before Cassano took over AIGFP, all that changed. The Democrats, tired of getting slaughtered in the fundraising arena by Republicans, decided to throw off their old reliance on unions and interest groups and become more "business-friendly." Wall Street responded by flooding Washington with money, buying allies in both parties. In the 10-year period beginning in 1998, financial companies spent $1.7 billion on federal campaign contributions and another $3.4 billion on lobbyists. They quickly got what they paid for. In 1999, Gramm co-sponsored a bill that repealed key aspects of the Glass-Steagall Act, smoothing the way for the creation of financial megafirms like Citigroup. The move did away with the built-in protections afforded by smaller banks. In the old days, a local banker knew the people whose loans were on his balance sheet: He wasn't going to give a million-dollar mortgage to a homeless meth addict, since he would have to keep that loan on his books. But a giant merged bank might write that loan and then sell it off to some fool in China, and who cared?

The very next year, Gramm compounded the problem by writing a sweeping new law called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act that made it impossible to regulate credit swaps as either gambling or securities. Commercial banks — which, thanks to Gramm, were now competing directly with investment banks for customers — were driven to buy credit swaps to loosen capital in search of higher yields. "By ruling that credit-default swaps were not gaming and not a security, the way was cleared for the growth of the market," said Eric Dinallo, head of the New York State Insurance Department."

And This Section

"So that's the first step in wall street's power grab: making up things like credit-default swaps and collateralized-debt obligations, financial products so complex and inscrutable that ordinary American dumb people — to say nothing of federal regulators and even the CEOs of major corporations like AIG — are too intimidated to even try to understand them. That, combined with wise political investments, enabled the nation's top bankers to effectively scrap any meaningful oversight of the financial industry. In 1997 and 1998, the years leading up to the passage of Phil Gramm's fateful act that gutted Glass-Steagall, the banking, brokerage and insurance industries spent $350 million on political contributions and lobbying. Gramm alone — then the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee — collected $2.6 million in only five years. The law passed 90-8 in the Senate, with the support of 38 Democrats, including some names that might surprise you: Joe Biden, John Kerry, Tom Daschle, Dick Durbin, even John Edwards."


So, it is not Democrates or Republicans. It was and is both of them.

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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/24/2009 12:38:03 AM   
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Mucho thanks for highlighting this article, Uncle Nasty, for all the important reasons you mention.  Matt Taibbi is a terrific reporter always, but it is just another sign of our time that this article was in RS not the NYT. 

Gosh, what a sense of powerlessness one gets from this article tho.  There are so few who were not complicit... even among the Dems.  There seems no end in sight and no CongressionalCounter Culture springing up to really attack the mess.  But at least Taibbi here is taking the first step in honestly and clearly defining the depth of the disease from inception to consummate plague - naming names and institutions and that
true 9+ trillion  pricetag so far. Sure Huffpo & Salon will probably reprint this, but sad is it not in Newsweek and on 60 Minutes, and probably never will be.  It gives the mess and the true players too much transparency  to the regular public.

Thanks again for sharing this article. It is essential reading for every taxpayer. 

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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/24/2009 12:46:22 AM   
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"Cassano's outrageous gamble wouldn't have been possible had he not had the good fortune to take over AIGFP just as Sen. Phil Gramm — a grinning, laissez-faire ideologue from Texas


Prolly the most diabolical aspect of this whole article :  After Obama and the Democrats wash out in 2/4 years, all these unsavory, spurious characters, like Phil Graham, will be back to save the day for the ''New'' Reagan-themed, fiscally conservative, free-market, non-big-government Republican party of yesteryear that will re-emerge in the not to distant future.

Newt Gingrich, Phil Graham, Jeb Bush{yup} and even the Boobengrabber--possibly as vice president on the ticket--- etc, -- they'll all be back either by re-inventing themselves or having had someone else re-invent them. And all the nightmares/bad memories will have faded.....and many, many will welcome them back with open arms, eager for more ''change'' and a new beginning.

What a truly uncanny yet devious quality/ability that they can just fade into the woodwork and then just fade back out at a later date unscathed





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RE: RollingStone on the Bailout - 3/24/2009 10:39:16 AM   
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UncleNasty,

Just a quick note to thank you again and tell you I
have passed this article on to others off this site.

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