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RCdc -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 4:18:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: zach7
Do you think that people would respond differently to questions and comments if we were all face to face, real time?


Mostly, no.

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I think...and this is only my opinion...that you should respond to someone as if they were sitting right in front of you.


I disagree.  I believe it would be more constructive and helpful if people viewed text forums differently to 'real' life.  In fact, I believe it would help if people viewed texting forums such as this as a completely different environment.  I find it ignorant if people insist that they cannot.
 
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RedMagic1 -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 5:40:11 AM)

I suppose the bottom line, for me, is that if I post something that gets a lot of irrational pushback, or that I think was totally misinterpreted, my first instinct is to lay the "blame" upon myself, that there was some weakness in my communication skill.  The response probably indicates something I have to work on.  I don't post just to hear myself talk.  I'm trying to communicate to others, and to move people to see things in ways they might not otherwise have seen.

As a result, people don't tend to go apeshit on me.  When people disagree with me (like Panda and dark just now), their positions tend to be serious and thought-out.  I might not change my mind, but the conversation is high-quality, regardless.

I think, for the most part, people get back what they put out on a site like this.  If you type a lazy, thoughtless post, and follow it up with defensive posturing, you're likely to produce a snarky thread.  If you ask a heartfelt question, and treat others with respect, you're likely to get genuinely concerned replies.  That's why I'm not a big fan of statements that "mean" posts are "undeserved."




LaTigresse -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 7:07:51 AM)

I do type differently than I talk for sure. In person I am much meaner. And nicer.

Here at work for instance. I can tell my graphics guy to "quit being a putz!!!" ( something Madame Eleven did not appreciate when I said the same thing on the forums) Or tell the boss to pull his head out of his ass. Or tell the pressman to quit being a nasty ass. Or to fuck off and die. I can tell my sister she's being a bitch.

I try to avoid that stuff on here. Face to face, there is a whole host of facial expressions and body language that conveys intent. You don't get that here. The guys here at work know that me calling them a putz, moron, asshole, is usually followed up with a cheesy grin, a rubber band flying past their head, or they decidedly were being one and needed to be told so.

They also get a big plate of home made chocolate chip cookies on a Monday when I was cooped up in the house on Sunday. You don't.[:D]




Owner59 -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 7:24:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
I talk exactly the same way in real life.

Agreed...


Me too.

Though I have say zach7`s 'cyber muscles' are a real thing,I wouldn`t say anything here that I wouldn`t say in person.And there were a few times I really wished it was in person,face to face.lol....just for kicks....

Added:

"In person I am much meaner. And nicer"

This describes me.

The people I don`t like or disrespect know it and those I admire and love, I`m really really nice to.

I try always to be polite and helpful to strangers,no matter what,virtually and in real life.




MadAxeman -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 7:43:46 AM)

I both talk and type bollocks
Real time I can pull faces, add sound effects and smells too.




sirsholly -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 7:54:06 AM)

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Real time I can pull faces, add sound effects and smells too.
score one for the internet




MissMorrigan -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 8:01:23 AM)

The written word is often and seemingly delivered in a far harsher fashion than it would be in person due to the lack of vocal tone, facial expression, body language, etc... and I try to allow for this. I never say anything to a person online that I wouldn't offline, always direct but never in a way that would deliberately hurt a person.

Oh man, there are many times I would love to sit down with a poster that's spouted a tremendous amount of bullshit just to see if we could thrash out a happy medium and get them to make some kind of connection so that theyll be less inclined in future.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 8:28:43 AM)

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It happens quite a bit here.  There was a perfect example of it just a few days ago, in a forum i won't name because there's no point in embarrassing any of the people involved. Someone posted a question, and got a few well-considered, intelligent, relevant replies before the bandwagon pulled up and the "bash 'em" brigade hopped off and started piling on. And it was clear as day that not one - not one - of the people who were weighing in on the last half of that thread had really read the OP, because every one of them not only missed key pieces of data, but even misquoted the OP, each of them in the exact same way. I honestly think they just skipped the OP altogether and just started responding to each other, while the OP stood all alone by the side of the road watching the thread drive away. I don't even understand why people would waste the keystrokes responding to something they didn't even read. Why bother? Why criticize people without making any effort to find out what they really said? It's pointless, and it negatively affects the quality of the discussions here, not to mention the personal relationships you value. That's all he's saying, and he's right.


Respectfully, statements like this have always bothered me. When a poster say,"sorry, you are not sticking to what I want to talk about".
You post, you have no control over others, only how you react to the comments. You cant control how people interpret the OPs statements or how they respond. To tell someone,"they dont get it", is really consecending. One thing I do know is to enjoy these message boards and it s people you do need to have a thick skin.What I mean by this ... people have to stop being defensive and taking things as a personal attack.

Are people jumped on? Maybe, maybe not. i'm one of those posters who can be bothered by someone posting one word that gets to me. It is my right to bring up what bothers me so long as I dont insult. So many new OPs say,"but thats not what I want to talk about", you're not giving the responses I want"

Bottom line, you dont control my responses or anyones responses. You can only control how you react to them.




LaTigresse -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 8:29:06 AM)

I sometimes think that there might be some people I don't care for much on here, that I might like more in person.

Or not.........




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 9:00:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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It happens quite a bit here.  There was a perfect example of it just a few days ago, in a forum i won't name because there's no point in embarrassing any of the people involved. Someone posted a question, and got a few well-considered, intelligent, relevant replies before the bandwagon pulled up and the "bash 'em" brigade hopped off and started piling on. And it was clear as day that not one - not one - of the people who were weighing in on the last half of that thread had really read the OP, because every one of them not only missed key pieces of data, but even misquoted the OP, each of them in the exact same way. I honestly think they just skipped the OP altogether and just started responding to each other, while the OP stood all alone by the side of the road watching the thread drive away. I don't even understand why people would waste the keystrokes responding to something they didn't even read. Why bother? Why criticize people without making any effort to find out what they really said? It's pointless, and it negatively affects the quality of the discussions here, not to mention the personal relationships you value. That's all he's saying, and he's right.


Respectfully, statements like this have always bothered me. When a poster say,"sorry, you are not sticking to what I want to talk about".
You post, you have no control over others, only how you react to the comments. You cant control how people interpret the OPs statements or how they respond. To tell someone,"they dont get it", is really consecending.


But, again - that is not what I'm saying. In this particular example, I'm not talking about people misinterpreting something that was vague or subjective. I'm talking about people just plain not reading a clearly written post. Not just ignoring crucial details, but quoting back things that weren't even said in the post. I can understand missing a sentence or two (I've done it myself, more than once) but if they actually misquote someone - I mean, quote back at them something they didn't even say - they're not misinterpreting anything. It's not that they didn't get it - it's that they just didn't read the post they're criticizing. They're just flat-out wrong, and there's nothing at all condescending about saying so.








GoodgirlFind -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 9:13:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
Non-confrontation is a form of escapism, and prevents people from having deep interpersonal relationships.


^^^^Umm^^^ not always is non-confrontation escapism.

Somebody w/ opposing beliefs that chooses not to debate with you isn't always trying to escape. Uh, not always!

They just regard your opinion with a big fat cup of indifference. [:D] It's true.

Not everyone is inflicted with the need to win an argument. Well now personally, TIC, the one who debates really is the one who is trying to escape
->... escape from having to accept there is another opinion out there. Bwahahahaha! [8D]




LaTigresse -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 9:36:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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It happens quite a bit here.  There was a perfect example of it just a few days ago, in a forum i won't name because there's no point in embarrassing any of the people involved. Someone posted a question, and got a few well-considered, intelligent, relevant replies before the bandwagon pulled up and the "bash 'em" brigade hopped off and started piling on. And it was clear as day that not one - not one - of the people who were weighing in on the last half of that thread had really read the OP, because every one of them not only missed key pieces of data, but even misquoted the OP, each of them in the exact same way. I honestly think they just skipped the OP altogether and just started responding to each other, while the OP stood all alone by the side of the road watching the thread drive away. I don't even understand why people would waste the keystrokes responding to something they didn't even read. Why bother? Why criticize people without making any effort to find out what they really said? It's pointless, and it negatively affects the quality of the discussions here, not to mention the personal relationships you value. That's all he's saying, and he's right.


Respectfully, statements like this have always bothered me. When a poster say,"sorry, you are not sticking to what I want to talk about".
You post, you have no control over others, only how you react to the comments. You cant control how people interpret the OPs statements or how they respond. To tell someone,"they dont get it", is really consecending. One thing I do know is to enjoy these message boards and it s people you do need to have a thick skin.What I mean by this ... people have to stop being defensive and taking things as a personal attack.

Are people jumped on? Maybe, maybe not. i'm one of those posters who can be bothered by someone posting one word that gets to me. It is my right to bring up what bothers me so long as I dont insult. So many new OPs say,"but thats not what I want to talk about", you're not giving the responses I want"

Bottom line, you dont control my responses or anyones responses. You can only control how you react to them.


Luscious, I understand what you are saying but there is a bit of conflict in the above words. To say that someone saying "you don't get it" is condescending but then to also say, you have no control over what people are going to type, that we need to have a thick skin, that we are the ones in control of how we take any given post sort of contradicts that thought process.

I really don't think it is a "cake and eat it too" concept. You either accept that sometimes there will be posts that are taken wrong, that upset people, that people "don't get" etc etc etc....... AND, we are each responsible for how we take the various posts that rub us the wrong way. Including the posts that tell us, we just don't get it.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 9:55:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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It happens quite a bit here.  There was a perfect example of it just a few days ago, in a forum i won't name because there's no point in embarrassing any of the people involved. Someone posted a question, and got a few well-considered, intelligent, relevant replies before the bandwagon pulled up and the "bash 'em" brigade hopped off and started piling on. And it was clear as day that not one - not one - of the people who were weighing in on the last half of that thread had really read the OP, because every one of them not only missed key pieces of data, but even misquoted the OP, each of them in the exact same way. I honestly think they just skipped the OP altogether and just started responding to each other, while the OP stood all alone by the side of the road watching the thread drive away. I don't even understand why people would waste the keystrokes responding to something they didn't even read. Why bother? Why criticize people without making any effort to find out what they really said? It's pointless, and it negatively affects the quality of the discussions here, not to mention the personal relationships you value. That's all he's saying, and he's right.


Respectfully, statements like this have always bothered me. When a poster say,"sorry, you are not sticking to what I want to talk about".
You post, you have no control over others, only how you react to the comments. You cant control how people interpret the OPs statements or how they respond. To tell someone,"they dont get it", is really consecending. One thing I do know is to enjoy these message boards and it s people you do need to have a thick skin.What I mean by this ... people have to stop being defensive and taking things as a personal attack.

Are people jumped on? Maybe, maybe not. i'm one of those posters who can be bothered by someone posting one word that gets to me. It is my right to bring up what bothers me so long as I dont insult. So many new OPs say,"but thats not what I want to talk about", you're not giving the responses I want"

Bottom line, you dont control my responses or anyones responses. You can only control how you react to them.


Luscious, I understand what you are saying but there is a bit of conflict in the above words. To say that someone saying "you don't get it" is condescending but then to also say, you have no control over what people are going to type, that we need to have a thick skin, that we are the ones in control of how we take any given post sort of contradicts that thought process.

I really don't think it is a "cake and eat it too" concept. You either accept that sometimes there will be posts that are taken wrong, that upset people, that people "don't get" etc etc etc....... AND, we are each responsible for how we take the various posts that rub us the wrong way. Including the posts that tell us, we just don't get it.



I agree. I am completely ok with someone thinking I dont get it. I was just commenting  on what a poster said. I dont take things personally. I can disagre with someone without having animosity towards them.  I can go toe to toe with someone and have no hard feelings later.  I am finding that this is not the norm but the exception.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 9:59:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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It happens quite a bit here.  There was a perfect example of it just a few days ago, in a forum i won't name because there's no point in embarrassing any of the people involved. Someone posted a question, and got a few well-considered, intelligent, relevant replies before the bandwagon pulled up and the "bash 'em" brigade hopped off and started piling on. And it was clear as day that not one - not one - of the people who were weighing in on the last half of that thread had really read the OP, because every one of them not only missed key pieces of data, but even misquoted the OP, each of them in the exact same way. I honestly think they just skipped the OP altogether and just started responding to each other, while the OP stood all alone by the side of the road watching the thread drive away. I don't even understand why people would waste the keystrokes responding to something they didn't even read. Why bother? Why criticize people without making any effort to find out what they really said? It's pointless, and it negatively affects the quality of the discussions here, not to mention the personal relationships you value. That's all he's saying, and he's right.


Respectfully, statements like this have always bothered me. When a poster say,"sorry, you are not sticking to what I want to talk about".
You post, you have no control over others, only how you react to the comments. You cant control how people interpret the OPs statements or how they respond. To tell someone,"they dont get it", is really consecending.


But, again - that is not what I'm saying. In this particular example, I'm not talking about people misinterpreting something that was vague or subjective. I'm talking about people just plain not reading a clearly written post. Not just ignoring crucial details, but quoting back things that weren't even said in the post. I can understand missing a sentence or two (I've done it myself, more than once) but if they actually misquote someone - I mean, quote back at them something they didn't even say - they're not misinterpreting anything. It's not that they didn't get it - it's that they just didn't read the post they're criticizing. They're just flat-out wrong, and there's nothing at all condescending about saying so.







I would tend to say that happens. For me personally, I am going to try to get the OP by quote if the thread is 20 pages long. I also find, that some people also read only the OP and not how the topic has resolved or come to conclusion. I have seen sonmeone post on a problem, come back later to tell how it was resolved and people are posting as if the OP still has a "problem" when it is a non issue at that time.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 11:01:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I suppose the bottom line, for me, is that if I post something that gets a lot of irrational pushback, or that I think was totally misinterpreted, my first instinct is to lay the "blame" upon myself, that there was some weakness in my communication skill.  The response probably indicates something I have to work on.  I don't post just to hear myself talk.  I'm trying to communicate to others, and to move people to see things in ways they might not otherwise have seen.

As a result, people don't tend to go apeshit on me.  When people disagree with me (like Panda and dark just now), their positions tend to be serious and thought-out.  I might not change my mind, but the conversation is high-quality, regardless.


I think the common factor there is that the three of us seem to be clearly making a genuine effort to understand the points that the others are making, instead of focusing  on one or two key words and deciding that since we don't like those words, we don't like the post. Our primary motivation is to understand what the other person is trying to say, not criticize it. If people approach a discussion wth the goal of gaining a deeper understanding, that's usually where they're going to wind up.


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
I think, for the most part, people get back what they put out on a site like this.  If you type a lazy, thoughtless post, and follow it up with defensive posturing, you're likely to produce a snarky thread.  If you ask a heartfelt question, and treat others with respect, you're likely to get genuinely concerned replies.  That's why I'm not a big fan of statements that "mean" posts are "undeserved."


I really agree with the first part of that, and pretty much agree with the thrust of the whole thing. I do, though, maintain that there certainly are cases where it's fair to say that certain responses are mean and undeserved. I've seen it happen fairly regularly. Let's say I started a thread asking for advice on how to lose weight. I say that I know I have to modify my diet and get more exercise, and I've already started an exercise program. Now I'm looking for advice on how to modify my diet. And someone posts, "Well, until you get off your ass and start getting some exercise, it doesn't matter what you eat, because you'll always be fat."

What's the point of that? I think that's a perfect example of a mean post, and completely undeserved. That's what I'm talking about, and while i wouldn't say it's terribly common, it's not uncommon either. The poster didn't deserve to have a shot taken at them like that. Yeah, I agree that if you're going to post on the net, you need to have a thick skin because you're going to get responses like that from time to time. I totally agree with that. But the fact that it's bound to happen sometimes doesn't mean it's deserved. Because shit like that just isn't called for, or productive in any way.





TheHeretic -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 5:27:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Hello zach7 and welcome to the Forums. 
 
 
You will also start to notice who does and does not like each other and who can agree to disagree without being an asshole about it.[sm=horse.gif]
 
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Some of what you are observing are the inevitable social politics of any group.  
 
 
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And remember, we have a whole lotta masochists and sadists in here.
 
 
 
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slvemike4u -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 7:20:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I sometimes think that there might be some people I don't care for much on here, that I might like more in person.

Or not.........

The really distressing thought Latige is the oppisite might also occur.Thinking someone on here is someone you would enjoy having a drink with.....and finding out that in person you don't actually enjoy breathing the same air as them.Now that would suck,your version on the other hand would qualify as a pleasent suprise.




Vendaval -> RE: The Message Boards (3/25/2009 9:18:56 PM)

Thank you Heretic.




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