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Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill?


Everyone should know cursive!
  57% (28)
Who cares if it's cursive or print if you can read it?
  34% (17)
No one writes anymore, who cares?
  6% (3)
What's cursive?
  2% (1)


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(last vote on : 3/27/2009 6:52:18 PM)
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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 1:53:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very vital skill.  If someone is taking a quick phone note and can't give it to me in person, and I can't read it, well... yeah.  Filling out a job ap?  It would be very nice if I were able to read what you put down.  Filling out a purchase order?  Wouldn't it be nice to understand exactly what you were ordering?  Kind of expensive when someone wants 1 silver bar and ends up with 7 silver car.  

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 1:54:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing I'm going to state is that to sign your name and have it be your own it should be in cursive. That way people cant just block spell your name for security reasons.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 1:55:44 PM   
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Perhaps I am a bit too demanding, but demanding someone's absolute best, be it penmanship or job performance, is something that is fast retreating from the lexicon of America itself.
 

I have a calculator, does that mean I need never learn arithmetic?  Evidently so, considering that few can even make change anymore!



Trust me, you do not want me to truly lay into the state of American youth compared to when I was, which was a scant decade or two ago.  Suffice to say that education standards have decayed further than I ever thought they could.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 2:01:24 PM   
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I still think students should learn both printing and cursive writing.  Better to have more skills than to lack some.  A bit of class and distinction can give you an edge socially and in your career.
 
My own notes are written by hand in print form but cursive is better for letters and a personal touch.  And let's not forget hand addressed cards for formal events.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 2:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, I don't care if it's cursive or print as long as I can read it.  Txt spk and 1337 do not count as print -- or as writing for that matter.  I don't see cursive as particularly necessary since most old documents are not written in modern cursive.  I was taught cursive script in the second or third grade and it bears only vague resemblance to the cursive used to write names and dates in the family bible, never mind anything earlier.  I have no idea how my grandmother manages to read the old birth, marriage, and death certificates when she does geneology.  I can't decipher them.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 2:06:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		personally i find it deplorable that today's generation isnt being taught crsive,,,how will they ever compose a sonnet to their beloved?

of corse its deplorable that my typing, spelling and punctuation skills have declined  as much as they have....witness the way i spelled cursive

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 2:10:11 PM   
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personally i find it deplorable that today's generation isnt being taught crsive,,,how will they ever compose a sonnet to their beloved?


Same way Shakespeare did...with their MINDS.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 2:12:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't forget the quill pens! 

I do know how to interpret the old documents, I did it a lot when I was in college the first time.  It's a knack, I think. 

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 2:16:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cursive is nice, but legibility is a must, so either is fine with me. 



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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/26/2009 5:24:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		My lowest grades were for penmanship.  I started using a hybrid of cursive and printing in the 8th grade, and even that is difficult to read.  I was forced to use cursive in a Russian class (back in the day).  I told the professor he didn't know what he'd let himself in for!

With the right combination of pen and paper (the tooth varies on paper) my style's quite legible.  Seems like I need a lot of "drag" to improve my style.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 4:19:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		not just 3rd grade but the entire school except for the pre-K and K grades however they will still have technology classes to introduce them to the keyboard.



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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 7:55:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder at times if I'm the only one that still gets a shiver of excitment when I recieve a piece of well-written snail mail.
I love to write letters. I get complimented on my penmanship and I don't plan on losing that skill anytime soon.

The young people in my life have always been taught to take pride in their ability to pen a beautiful letter or thank you note and they know how much I treasure these over emails. 

I had a friend, many moons ago, who lived in England and would write to me on the most exquisite creamy-white paper. Letters full of descriptions of the countryside, pressed flowers and broad pen strokes that would set my heart aflutter. 

Yes....for me, penmanship is a vital skill.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 8:08:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a massive believer in good writing, tidiness counts so much with me. I'm old enough that I was almost held back in 4th grade because the teacher (Mr. Green) said my writing was sloppy and illegible. I was not allowed to participate in certain activities until my writing met his standards. Ironic thing is that many years later, I got several jobs strictly based on my penmanship.

Now, even my own monsters have the world's worst writing and it's prevented them from getting jobs that require handwritten applications. Or if they mail me something from Idaho, it's been delayed due to bad writing that was unreadable by the post office.

Give me nice, clear, gorgeous writing. (And since I'm a student of calligraphy, I can use quill pens easily, in fact prefer them when possible. They give a control that we don't have with ball point pens!)


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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 12:44:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can read and write both print and cursive. But when I write, I prefer print. I used to prefer writing cursive, as it was fast, but I started with printing because it seemed easier for others to read when I took notes. With the internet, print is easier, but knowing cursive can't hurt.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 2:20:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, wait a second, cursive is not the only kind of handwriting.  In fact, the use of cursive has become a very interesting generational indicator.  Most people born after 1970 write in block letters (or some variant) rather than cursive.  I'm not aware of any explanations as to why this has happened, but it's an observed phenomenon.

Another observed phenomenon is the shocking deterioration of penmanship skills since the advent of the typewriter and the personal computer after it.  (Take a look at some casual handwritten documents from just oh, 80 years ago.  You'll be very surprised at how skillfully people used to write.)  So, at least from a social perspective, the "Who needs cursive, everybody types!" point of view is closest to the truth.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as handwriting is legible, it serves its function.  Not everyone is going to be a calligrapher.

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I was flipping through a magazine in my office lobby and saw a little essay on penmanship, and how the author felt it was outdated and unnecessary in These Modern Times.   Everyone types, right?  So who needs cursive writing?

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 3:48:42 PM   
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Well, wait a second, cursive is not the only kind of handwriting.  In fact, the use of cursive has become a very interesting generational indicator.  Most people born after 1970 write in block letters (or some variant) rather than cursive. 


Well, thank you very much, now I feel like a freak!  Do you have ANY idea how many years of therapy this is going to take for me to work through this?  Do you?  I think that I should send you the bill!

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 5:16:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was born after 1970, and i also fall into the print/cursive hybrid group. My fine motor control has never been good, and every report card i ever got said that my penmanship needed improvement.  Fortunately you couldn't be kept back for it by then, because i don't know that it ever would have reached "acceptable".

I don't know if it's a side-effect of being at the beginning of the "computer generation" or just a coincidence, but even setting handwriting aside i have a terrible time writing letters by hand... I'm too accustomed to being able to edit on the fly as many times as i'd like. There were times in school that i would actually type out a paper on the PC, then finally hand-copy it when i was happy with it. Knocking stuff off on a single draft is impossible.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 5:29:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I started out in Catholic school where penmanship was emphasized with turning in neat work. I have to agree with Sambam as this is becoming outdated with the technology. Being a substitute teacher, more students are interested in being on the computer rather than doing written work. I think students should learn how to write with legible work.

It is funny though, because I am often asked if I am a teacher because of the writing skills.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 5:37:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Lady Hib

kazza feels it's important to be able to write, whether cursive or print; she keeps a diary and thinks that, just like books, she needs to *feel* it in her hand, the online equivalent just doesn't do it for her. There's just something about holding the diary in her hands and writing in it that can't be replicated in a blog or online diary.

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RE: Penmanship: Outdated or Vital Skill? - 3/27/2009 6:55:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hibbilicious,  I love to write.  When I take the time to spill my thoughts out on paper, I make sure it's nice and pretty.  My cursive doesn't look like the D'Nealian or whatever the currect handwriting school books call it, but it is nice and very legible.  I also print like an elementary school teacher.  My bosses used to have me print out forms that they made others type just because my writing was neat.

So... when do I get my handwritten scroll from you, plant lady? 

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