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catize -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/26/2009 5:17:00 PM)

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  What I would like are some helpful suggestions or advice.



You don’t like meds and you make excuses about why therapy won’t work.
 
Which is worse, med side effects or your out of control illness?  Which is worse, taking the time and trouble to find a good therapist, or your continued interpersonal problems?
 
Short of a miracle, therapy and meds are your treatment options.  There is no magic wand. 




antipode -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/26/2009 6:46:01 PM)

While I have an immune condition not comparable to yours, it affects my life, and has done for some 38 years, which is a bit longer than you have been alive. I'll be going in for more maintenance surgery in a month or so. It affects my life, every day, as your condition(s) do. What you do, the only thing you can do, is to keep on seeing doctors until you find one that gets you the help and/or meds you need. It is too easy to say "nothing helps". You are the only person who can take care of this, and you do that by perseverance, keep on looking, don't give up on yourself, get a second, a third, a fifteenth opinion, scour the university hospital websites, there are sites that have information on medical research (both the Washington Post and the New York Times have large databases), chin up and keep going.

And no, you are not ruining your relationship. Ask your partner for understanding, be aware some people have a really hard time dealing with other people's illnesses, and keep asking for the help you need. It is out there.




VanessaChaland -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/26/2009 7:02:25 PM)

 Therapy is like what? Oh yea, its talking to someone who charges fees. Someone who will help you "outline" your problems, help you set up a long term goal plan that will involve a great deal of therapy, which will cost you a truck load.

Of course people are lumping together physical therapists (which we are not talking about) and Psychiatry which involves meds that correct, alter a chemical imbalance in the brain (which I already suggested and endorse). Those people seemed to have missed the OPs questions and points. Physical therapy after a hip transplant has NOTHING to do with this topic.

There are a great deal of alternative therapies that can help people/children such as is listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_therapies_for_developmental_and_learning_disabilities but again, thats not what was being discussed here.

You also have your "therapists" that want to do Past Life Regression Counseling to help you get your Chakra in line with your rebirthing, so you can speak to 2000 year old warriors. And of course those that will convince you that you were abused as a child (ensuring years of payments to them, once a week). And lets not forget Dobsons "De-Gayifing" therapy that can make your gay kid straight for only $10,000.

Many people feel that some form of therapy helped them. More power to you. Many people think a walk in the woods, a bottle of Scotch, a hit off a pipe, a good hard spanking equals "therapy". Whatever they think helps is fine on a personal level.

Just because some crackpot goes to college a couple of years, gets a "certificate" sets up shop means nothing. They think that by them listening to someone elses problems, allowing them to project those very notions back to the speaker him/herself, and then claimed they "fixed" them and then bill heavily? B.S. :)

Of course those that have this "career" are going to support this form of quackery. Big surprise. What is the old adage? That most therapists go into their field because they themselves are messed up? :)





LadyLupineNYC -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/26/2009 7:13:40 PM)

"I am sensing some hostility here...how does that make you feel?" HA! That's funny to me [;)]

BTW- the ones to give out drugs (aka psychiatrists) are actually medical doctors whereas psychologists have PhDs in...well, psychology.  There is a world of difference between the two and both are recommended for any full course of treatment.  The OP has a possible chemical imbalance (if the BP diagnosis is correct) and could also benefit from cognitive therapy for her other disorder.  These are NOT the same as being all 'wahwahwah' about life's little problems.   

And, yes, 'de-gaying' is beyond stupid...but, like any profession, there is growth.  Dentists and surgens nev er used to wash hands or use pain killers, for example.

And, no, I have no 'career' in this.  But I DID stay at a Holiday Inn...[8|]




Jeptha -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/27/2009 10:24:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland

...Many people feel that some form of therapy helped them. More power to you. Many people think a walk in the woods, a bottle of Scotch, a hit off a pipe, a good hard spanking equals "therapy". Whatever they think helps is fine on a personal level.
While some of that stuff can be legitimately 'de-stressing", sometimes it can be running away from the problem; a maladaptive coping strategy if the problem can't be avoided without torquing one's life around completely in order to avoid it.
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...Just because some crackpot goes to college a couple of years, gets a "certificate" sets up shop means nothing. They think that by them listening to someone elses problems, allowing them to project those very notions back to the speaker him/herself, and then claimed they "fixed" them and then bill heavily? B.S. :)
I agree with you to a very large extent.
There is a current trend in therapy NOT to challenge or guide or suggest, or do anything that will alter the client's own natural "process". So you have therapists that literally don't do anything but listen and paraphrase. They are trained to intervene in extreme circumstances, but they may not have the skills to give advice that would be of practical use in dealing with everyday things.

However, I think some, notably the cognitive bahavioral types, do teach practical tools for analyzing your own thoughts and behavior, and coping and creating choices when faced with situations where one had tended to react "automatically" previously.

So: I think you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater when you paint all of those "talk" therapy models with the same brush (to mix a metaphor.)

It is good to have human interaction, somebody who is experienced to help interpret and check your progress, offer feedback and positive encouragement, but yeah; you probably could make progress by just reading a book on the subject if you couldn't find an affordable therapy plan.




antipode -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/27/2009 10:58:41 AM)

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The brain is an organ, just like the heart


While that is certainly true, it is an organ about which far less is known than is the case with most other organs. But you're certainly right in that it is the direction in which one should look.




Jeptha -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/27/2009 11:27:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cjan

Check out Albert Ellis and Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy and it's offshoots. Ellis did not theorize , instead he worked from his own experience. It is the only type of psychotherapy that works, imo. It has worked for me and many others. That is not to say that some disorders are biochemical in nature and , in those cases, meds can help.
I saw an interview with Albert Ellis once that was pretty great.
He was a cranky old guy, but really sharp. He reminded me of someone who's personal philosophy had a lot in common with the "radical honesty" people, though I don't think he was ever interested in taking it to that extreme that they do.

He seemed to be talking about (if memory serves) the practical effects of educating people in philosophy. We sort of neglect philosophy because, well...it seems like so much bullshit to a lot of people.

(VanessaChaland; where do you fall on that one?!)

But, I think Ellis's idea was that philosophy can teach us about emotional maturity - knowledge which we aren't getting elsewhere; how to introspect, and how to put things in perspective in terms of which expectations are realistic and which aren't, and stuff like that.

I don't feel like reading his books at the moment, but maybe I'll search to see if there's anything about him on dvd.




antipode -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/27/2009 11:52:58 AM)

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can't find somebody I trust enough


And another thing: a therapist (and in your case, psychiatry would probably be the right specialism, I'll come back to that) is somebody you pay for professional advice, and to be a sounding board. It is someone with whom you don't have an emotional relationship, who operates under a code of conduct, and who has no stake in you, other than to eventually file you away as "another problem solved". One of the problems some patients have is that they don't "work" with their therapist - i.e., they don't provide the therapist with the tools and information the therapist needs to understand the patient.

I can give you a perfect example of a situation where a psychiatrist doing group therapy was beneficial: me. I came out of my teen years with a problem, or so the medical profession thought: I was majorly screwed up because I had been brought up by parents with problems, an abusive father, and all this was blamed on the fact that both my parents spent part of WWII in Japanese concentration/POW camps, where they lost their two children, my older siblings, then to lose their colonial home and being repatriated to "the old country", so to speak.

That is how I was treated, and there was a general consensus among the medicos that I had a psychiatric/neurose problem.

I eventually ended up in group therapy with a psychiatrist. It wasn't until, I think, my third year of therapy that he began to distinguish a pattern in my behaviour that he thought might be physical, not mental, and he kept encouraging me to see medical doctors, get second opinions, etc. A pre-eminent orthopedic surgeon had already sent me home with a handful of valium, opining this was all psycho-somatical. An unfortunate side effect of the valium was that it is a muscle relaxant as well as a tranquillizer, I responded well to it, and that was interpreted as proof that I was mental.

Becaue the shrink kept insisting that there might be a physical "hidden" complaint, I eventually ended up seeing my (now ex-) wife's orthopedic surgeon - she took me there not knowing what else to do, he being the doctor that did corrective sports surgery for her and many of her colleagues (she was a ballerina). What neither of us knew was that he was a rheumatologist as well - he took one look at my x-rays, taken three years earlier, after a rather massive car accident, and said: "Hah! They missed something!".

It turned out my shrink was right - I was suffering from an immune condition that likely was caused by the genetic damage my parents sustained during their incarceration in WWII - so while I was classified as a second generation  war victim, the problems weren't psychological, but physical. This immune condition was what was causing my problems, and the resultant "neurosis". While incurable, the symptoms can be treated, and I moved on from there to move to the UK, and later to the US, get medical treatment that continues to this day, mostly medication and physical therapy, and I went on to build a successful career in the telecommunications industry.

The diagnosis was re-established every time I moved countries, which is how the medical system works, so there isn't a doubt: it is what it is, immune conditions are often hard to diagnose, as all there may be is a bunch of symptoms, and a genetic marker.

What I learned, and what is important for you to understand, is that medicine is not an exact science. With complicated symptoms, and especially with multiple conditions (I have three, two triggered by the original genetic misfire), it is very hard for physicians to establish what is what. There are many things they have to infer, can't find even by opening you up.

The observation here that you are not in the center of medical research may be very valid - but you can help yourself there by talking to your insurance, asking for a second opinion at a medical research establishment that has these specialisms - I have, since my original diagnosis, made sure that I got treated in "medical hubs" - London, NYC and now Washington, D.C., where, as it turns out, many physicians have unique experience as they spent part of their careers in the military, and have been exposed to lots of stuff the average specialist never gets to see.

I am going on about this just to emphasize that if you can't find a specialist you can live with where you are, try and get assessed in one of the major centers. A specialist in NY, LA or DC who teaches can often refer to someone in your neighbourhood that trained with them, and that in turn makes the treatment much easier, as doctors pay attention to those that taught them, and they see each other at conferences and seminars.

Hope this helps....




kiwisub12 -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/27/2009 7:30:44 PM)

Twice a month for three years - i went from a reclusive individual suspicious, depressed, and avoiding of men, to a woman who had the confidence in  herself and her attractiveness to go out and find a Sir.  All because i ended up being desperate enough to go to a pschologist. ( ps - i am not all that beautiful, but i am not as bad as my ex. made me believe [:D])

I was lucky enough to find a therapist that was a great fit right off the get-go.

A bit of persistance on your part may be beneficial.




kirby104 -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/29/2009 8:37:20 AM)

Health consists of regular therapy (cognitive behaviourial changes) and the correct combination of meds. Research the classes of meds and which ones hit the different type of receptors. Perceptions can be examined and changed with tremendous work. Also, try to keep a journal.






DemonKia -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/30/2009 3:50:35 PM)

Lots of good replies in this thread -- I particularly found apple2's reply to be some excellent thoughts on the topic of talk therapy . . . . .

& I have happily paid for talk therapy in the past, found it very useful, & will use it again as needed . .. . . & as with everything in life, it's a 'caveat emptor' kinda thing . . . .

About meds:

There's a widespread misunderstanding about medication; many meds are approved that only effectively treat less than half of those given the med during the various trials, & are thus expected to be useful for a small portion of the general population who try them . . . . . The FDA approves them because for that 30%, 40%, or whatever, that drug can work & expands options for treatment . . . . . (& I think it's obvious that if the FDA was only to approve drugs that work 100% of the time in everyone, we'd have darn few drugs available . . . . )

What doctors & etc frequently leave out of the mix is making sure the patient understands that any given prescribed med may not have a useful effect, or may have such problematic side-effects as to be useless, & that figuring out appropriate medication is a hit-or-miss process, sometimes (frequently) taking years to determine an appropriate pharmaceutical regime . . . . . . & entirely dependent on the patient going back to the doc (or to another doc) & complaining about what's not working . . . . . .

If patients go to docs (consciously or subconsciously) expecting the docs to be telepathic, clairvoyant miracle-workers, the patient may not get adequate results (despite oh-so-many in the medical community perpetuating that 'docs as gods' myth) . . . . . It is the patient's body, the patient's problem, & it is up to the patient to be informed & to take as much control over their issues as is possible -- if the doc / therapist / whatever screws up, it's not the doc / therapist / whatever's life that is messed up, it's the patient's . .. . . .

Oh, & I am not a medical worker nor a therapist / counselor of any kind, merely an admirer of competence wherever it might be found . . . . . lol

Best,
The Demon, Kia




heartbound -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/30/2009 9:50:51 PM)

I am more concerned that you are ruining yourself and ruining the relationship is secondary.  You are not happy with who you are and how you act.  Personally, I don't believe you can be a healthy part of any relationship (whether d/s or vanilla) when you have not found a healthy way to deal with your known issues.

From a personal standpoint, I have experienced  the situations you are talking about and it's not fun (being on either side of the situation).  And I can definitely understand the feeling of frustration in being a guinea pig for medications.  The reality is that it sometimes takes time to hit the right medication and a lot of it is trial and error.  Further, some medications need a build up effect so you will not see instant results.  But don't let that stop you from trying to find something that works.  Have some patience and it will be worthwhile in the end.

One of the things that you need to understand is that mood cycling is a large part of  bi-polar disorder (and can even occur when someone is not bi-polar).  However, treatment of these issues requires a drug in the class of a "mood stabilizer".  The mood cycling is due to chemical levels and you need to have medication to keep you from having the extreme highs and lows.  It is not something you can fix on your own or just talk yourself out of.  If you can even get this problem under control, it would make a world of difference to you.

I suggest that you try to deal with your problems on a smaller scale.  Don't try to fix everything at once because you can't.  However, any step you take that even improves one problem or issue is progress and will make your life and your relationship better.

If you feel like you are disappointing him, perhaps you should put together a list of the things you need to fix and what steps you plan to take.  Ask for his help and get his suggestions.  I would guess that he would be willing to be patient if you are actively trying to fix your problems.  But don't fix them solely because of him, you need to do this for you too.

I wish you the best of luck and hope this helped some.

-heartbound





thatonebitch -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/30/2009 10:19:14 PM)

Yeah, can we just let this damn thread die now, please?  I thank everybody who was nice enough to give me advice and not make nasty comments about the fact that I stopped going to therapy and taking medications that weren't working, but I have realized I made a huge mistake by coming here and asking for help.  I'm so glad that some of you have perfect lives that allow you to stand in judgment of others.




asianchloe -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/30/2009 10:29:28 PM)

I don't think the OP is making excuses. She openly admits that it might be due to the fact that she hasn't found someone she trusts enough to be open with. I think if she's able to trust the right person, talk therapy would be beneficial.


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ORIGINAL: catize

You don’t like meds and you make excuses about why therapy won’t work. [/font





Jeptha -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/31/2009 10:47:06 AM)

Sorry to not let it die.
Must beat dead horse just a little longer...

My thought it that the chemical-imbalance-people talk about getting the chemistry right, but I think there are other factors to consider that don't deal directly with chemistry, questions like; How do you handle frustration? How do you handle criticism? How do you handle it when you fuck up or otherwise don't meet your own or other's expectations? Are you impulsive (to the point of it being detrimental, that is) Can you delay gratification? Set goals? Have self discipline? Introspect? Evaluate your own behavior as it's happening, etc.

Those are the kinds of things that I think can be addressed in therapy; I don't know if meds alone are going to give you better coping skills in those areas.

Even if your chemistry is right, you are not going to be happy if your expectations are entirely out of line with reality.

Of course, you might be able to get the same thing out of a book. But it's nice to have a mentor if possible. That's how I'd choose a therapist , I think: I'd ask myself if they exhibited the kinds of skills that I'd like to have.




DefiantFlower -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/31/2009 12:39:27 PM)

Wow...ok. A relative of mine was a victim of incest for many years during her childhood, and throughout adolescence and young adulthood, she went wild. She could not deal with it by herself and turned her life into a disaster.

Finally, after a several years of therapy, she broke through it all and was able to come to terms with what happened. She went back to school, got an awesome job, bought a house, has the most rock solid marriage I've ever seen, and three beautiful, well-rounded children.

In a way, therapy is like voodoo, it only works if you believe in it.

(So VanessaChaland, pretty please, do as you promised and "shut the hell up.")




Aly055 -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/31/2009 1:37:18 PM)

The thing to remeber is there are several people who can so called "therapist"    There is a psychologist who has a bachelor's degree and most likely some masters work in psycholgy. There is psychiatist who has a MD normally in neurology.  Then there are peple with social work degrees.  All of these people can do counseling and many times if you ask patients they don't even know which of these their consulers are.  Keep this all in mind before putting down consulers there are many kinds and they all vary just like normal doctos all vary.  Their personality, their schooling and thier expeience all infulence them.




MsRenee9 -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/31/2009 3:16:20 PM)

Have you ever considered how negative your inner dialogue about yourself is?  When you tell yourself that you are not worthy or problematic over and over again it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.  I would strongly recommend therapy and maybe meds.




thatonebitch -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/31/2009 3:33:55 PM)

[sm=beatdeadhorse.gif]

Honestly I don't care anymore.  It's over.  Let it die.




RealSub58 -> RE: psychological issues are ruining my relationship (3/31/2009 3:36:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thatonebitch

[sm=beatdeadhorse.gif]

Honestly I don't care anymore.  It's over.  Let it die.



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