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anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was published - 3/29/2009 5:58:04 AM   
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for years, i've felt i have a novel lurking inside me, dying to get out...probably a rather common occurance, thinking the story you find so interesting would actually be of interest to another person
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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 5:59:51 AM   
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Just write the book.

Nothing more annoying than people who spend years telling people they are writing a novel.


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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 6:36:46 AM   
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god, have i really been talking about it that long???????????????

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 6:54:59 AM   
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I once wrote a nonfiction book on jobhunting.  Submitted it to one publisher and it was rejected.

I wrote it, I submitted it.  I feel like I fulfilled a responsibility to myself to do what I had within me.


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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 7:13:20 AM   
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so the actual publication was secondary to the satisfaction of finally scratching that elusive itch in your mind?

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 7:31:56 AM   
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I've written well over a dozen short stories, published on different websites, of different topics, under different names. Can't remember where they are, somewhere I suppose. Never got paid for the writing though, so I guess I am an amateur writer.

I have notebooks full of unpublished stories, but I hate releasing them into the open. I'm selfish that way. I've got some good ideas but hate the thought of someone stealing them and molesting them, so my stories and ideas stay locked in notebooks (or my brain).

As for a novel, thought about it, but I get bored easily, and I like telling stories that come to quicker conclusions.

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 7:51:19 AM   
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molesting them, as in the publisher running through a proofreader, and receiving an incredibly long list of suggested changes that would make the book more marketable, but , if you did all they would suggested , render your book so far from your original idea as to make it virtually unrecognizable?

in other words, mind rape?

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 7:55:12 AM   
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Yes, that would sum up molesting.

I'd rather have a book (or book of short stories) that I wrote, with minimal proofreading for grammar and punctuation, be released and flop, then change it in a such a way that it becomes a bestseller and not my own. 

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 8:54:07 AM   
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Yes.
Alternatively you can self publish.  There are so many avenues you could explore, Join groups or forums like this because they are out there and get into contact with other writers and write what you have inside you - don't end up regretting that you didn't.
 
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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 11:11:54 AM   
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I graduate in May with a B.A. in creative writing and I work at a publishing house.  If you're dying to write, go for it.  However, if you want to be published, take a class in creative writing.  In fact, you should take several.  Make sure they're workshop classes so you get used to having your work critiqued.  Too many writers treat their work like children and get their hackles up when someone suggests that a story or a scene isn't working or would work better if done in a different way. 
 
Pick up copies of Writing the Breakout Novel by Donald Maass, Plot and Structure by James Scott Bell and The Art of Fiction by John Gardner.  These books will help you construct a good story.  Good stories sell.  It takes many revisions and sometimes you have to scrap your original idea and come at the story from a different angle, but eventually they will sell.

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 11:17:08 AM   
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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 2:13:12 PM   
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i published a short story 3 years ago

currently scripting the full length version

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/29/2009 11:35:06 PM   
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  However, if you want to be published, take a class in creative writing.  In fact, you should take several.  Make sure they're workshop classes so you get used to having your work critiqued. 


This is the advice I was going to give. I can't say enough about how creatively stimulating it is to be in that kind of an environment, where the class and the instructor take a published work of fiction (a short story, or a chapter from a novel), break it down and examine what worked and what didn't, and then apply the lessons to your own ideas. Just being around other writers and hearing how they approach the craft will do wonders in your quest to discover your own voice, and become comfortable with it


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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
Pick up copies of Writing the Breakout Novel by Donald Maass, Plot and Structure by James Scott Bell and The Art of Fiction by John Gardner.  These books will help you construct a good story.  Good stories sell.  It takes many revisions and sometimes you have to scrap your original idea and come at the story from a different angle, but eventually they will sell.


Those weren't the books I was going to recommend, but I'm sure she knows much more about this than I do. I don't know the first one, but The Art of Fiction and Plot and Structure are excellent resources. I'd also recommend picking up a copy of The Writer's Market 2009, in case you'd like to test your wings with a few short stories before jumping headfirst into the novel. Writing short stories, or anything else for a real live editor, can teach you a lot about structure. Once you've spent some time working with an editor, it will become second nature to audit your own work on an ongoing basis with an eye toward how an editor might read it.

And just... read. Lots of other fiction, especially novels by authors you like. Read it not just for fun, but with a critical eye - ask yourself, hey, how did he do that? How'd he paint that picture? What'd he do that for? Why's he using first person narrative there? Learn from the way others have done it. Doesn't mean you have to mimic them, but it helps you learn the tools they use to practice their trade.

And good luck. Keep one thing in mind.... ever read Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance? Enjoy it, did you? Well, keep in mind, if Robert Pirsig had given up on that novel after being rejected by over 150 publishers and agents, neither you nor I nor anyone else would have ever read that book. Because by his calculations, he was rejected over 200 times before someone (Putnam, maybe? I can't recall) finally took a chance and printed it. The lesson there? Don't get discouraged. believe in it, believe in yourself, and never let go of that belief. Eventually, if it's a good piece of work, you'll find someone else to share that belief.


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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/30/2009 1:51:20 AM   
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Hi, mdr...
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...I have notebooks full of unpublished stories, but I hate releasing them into the open. I'm selfish that way. I've got some good ideas but hate the thought of someone stealing them and molesting them, so my stories and ideas stay locked in notebooks (or my brain). 
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Yes, this is me, too.  *sigh*  Though not really out of selfishness, i suppose.  More being lazy and just a tad bit fear of rejection, too. >.<

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

I graduate in May with a B.A. in creative writing and I work at a publishing house.  If you're dying to write, go for it.  However, if you want to be published, take a class in creative writing.  In fact, you should take several.  Make sure they're workshop classes so you get used to having your work critiqued.  Too many writers treat their work like children and get their hackles up when someone suggests that a story or a scene isn't working or would work better if done in a different way. 
 
Pick up copies of Writing the Breakout Novel by Donald Maass, Plot and Structure by James Scott Bell and The Art of Fiction by John Gardner.  These books will help you construct a good story.  Good stories sell.  It takes many revisions and sometimes you have to scrap your original idea and come at the story from a different angle, but eventually they will sell.

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/30/2009 4:24:16 AM   
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interesting,,,,,,thanks for the advice...since im going to be starting school I'll look into whether workshops on creative writing are available, and thank you

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/30/2009 4:24:28 AM   
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Everybody has a book inside them, at least one. I'm just thinking what advice I can give as I'm just about to become published myself.

You see I don't write books, but plays, I have so far 15 of them which have been produced in 27 different countries worldwide.

I'd be careful about creative writing courses and to be honest if you can't find a decent one with openminded writers (and not every creative writing course I've found have openminded writers) but there are things which you can do which will help you write.

Oh the last thing you should do by the way is just sit down and write your book. I'm writing this advice from recent experience.. I've got close to 350 pages written on a book about modern theatre but... my publisher is telling me 150-200 pages.

Therefore seeing as I've yet to quite get the hang of writing a book I can give you advice based on what I know as a playwright.

1. Why write a book in the first place? So that it'll be read, right? By who? And why? The first thing you need to work out if you want to be a writer - doesn't matter if it's books, plays, screenplays, - you need to find and identify your audience or readers. Talk about your ideas with people, gauge their reactions. You might think you have a great idea for a novel, but can you find 50 or so people who agree with you?

2. Network, move around, gather contacts, make friends, try to find other people in the same situation as you, what are they doing?

3. Try and get hold of a writers and artists resource book called 'The market' (if they still do it) which is full of contacts, ideas and information on such stuff as format, copyright, etc.

4. If and when you do start writing protect yourself. Before you put anything out on the Internet print it out and mail it to someone or yourself. Copyright. Keep the original with the envelope.

5. When you feel ready that you want to start writing, start writing, but make sure to give yourself a framework. You say you want to write a novel, right? You know how many books are adapted for movies in Hollywood? Okay, how about doing all this in reverse? Instead of starting out with a book, how about developing your story into a movie script? A feature length movie script is around 120 pages first draft, and you're just writing scenes from your story, scene 1, scene 2, scene 3 etc with a location, setting and a narrative. If you like you can throw in bits of dialogue.

6. The above might seem like a crazy idea, but if you can manage to do that and get people to read it and give you their feedback, and you're happy with that, then you should find that you have a pretty detailed 'storyboard' or rough draft and have organized your story into a cohesive framework, getting people to read your story in much more detail. If you like you can even send it off to a movie producer as a script submission to get professional feedback.

I used to do the same thing. I once had a screenplay which I submitted repeatedly for almost 10 years all over the world. It would come back after 6-9 months with a rejection slip. I would just change it as advised and send it off again. It went through Hollywood three times. Got sent to Brazil. Australia. I think the last place I sent it was somewhere in India.

7. Then you can write your first draft. This is when it gets challenging. This is when you start dealing with publishers. This is where it gets tricky, because you're looking for someone not only who likes your work, but who will also want to invest in it, in the hope that they are going to make lots of money selling it. Half of the battle with a publisher is being able to come up with the goods. So many people have brilliant ideas for novels, but I'd suggest that there's millions of unfinished novels lurking in the dark recesses of people's hard drives and other places waiting to be finished before 'life' got in the way. You will get much further with a publisher if you not only send them a sample manuscript (in format) with synopsis and covering letter, but also a date in a letter when the entire book will be finished.

8. However before that you need to research publishers.. What do they publish? How often? Do they publish new work? Are they prepared to take risks? Are they interested in your work? Are they looking for it?

9. If you feel you're just getting nowhere with publishers you can also self-publish. There'sways to do this.

Whatever happens I wish you luck.



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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/30/2009 4:33:55 AM   
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Thank you very much stella...i appreciate you taking the time, as i appreciate all of you ,.to give me an in-depth answer with some constructive advice,,,it's very kind of you

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/30/2009 1:16:51 PM   
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I've posted a lot of stuff on various sites on the internet, but nothing in a book or anything... but maybe some day *dream*

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/30/2009 1:41:27 PM   
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i've been plagerized, does that count? lol, look up "You might be a Militant Pagan IF" it came from the grey stuff in my skull, but was stolen.
i don't really mind that much, it was meant to entertain, and that's what it's doing now.
as an UM, i sent some of my work into a contest, it was rejected with the note of "being too graphic". erg.
enough to burn me on the whole notion. i write for fun now.

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RE: anyone ever written a piece of fiction that was pub... - 3/30/2009 2:19:22 PM   
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interesting,,,,,,thanks for the advice...since im going to be starting school I'll look into whether workshops on creative writing are available, and thank you


At my university, creative writing focused on novels and short stories is part of the English department.  However, if you want to write plays or movie scripts, those are part of the Theater and Communications Studies departments, respectively.  Check with your school to see which course of study is the best for what you want to do.  My professors have all been published authors, so their workshops have been helpful.  Be sure to check the credentials of the faculty of any writing program you choose.

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