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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/1/2009 7:42:42 AM

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When classifying something like "tall" (as an example), the problem is deciding on the definition. The average isn't terribly hard to come up with (although I think the median or mode might be better than the mean). But how many inches over the average makes somebody "tall"? And who decides? Should standard deviations be used? Or percentage above average? Percentile?

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/1/2009 5:30:06 PM

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I guess I define gay like this: Using the "reasonable person standard", if someone peaked in the window and saw me, I would not want them to be able to say, "Whoa, that's gay!"

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/1/2009 6:37:49 PM

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so i guess a friendly guy/guy hug is out of the question, huh?.

Gee sambagirl.............that's gay !!

oops - i don't have the updated 2009 version of what's or not gay yet.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/1/2009 7:17:02 PM

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I can easily understand the op's lines. I'm monogamous. If I were restrained and blindfolded, and he then opened the door, and told me he had brought a friend by to play with me, I would red right then and lose faith in him. Even if he took off the blindfold and had me discover the other voice was a recording and the strange hand was his in a glove.

Some people do mind fucks that cross barriers, and others do not. I would view this as an attempt to break a hard limit, a precursor to it. Even if I was right on the edge of orgasm and the stimulation put me over the edge, that would be simply physical in the same way that pepper in a different mucus membrane causes a convulsion there (sneezing). It would not change my opinion or my hard limit, nor would it cause me to think I suddenly wanted to turn swinger.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/1/2009 8:07:59 PM

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I can understand that. For a hard limit of mine to ever be broken it would take one hell of a lot of seducing, not trickery or deception. That would just make me mad.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 12:05:56 AM

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I guess I define gay like this: Using the "reasonable person standard", if someone peaked in the window and saw me, I would not want them to be able to say, "Whoa, that's gay!"

Interesting. The most important factor in determining your position is what a "reasonable" person would think. If Mistress moved to a more liberated neighborhood (West Hollywood, say), where the next reasonable person walking by might likely be a full-on Johnny Storm "Flame On" homosexual, might you be willing to explore some new horizons?

The reason I ask is that I suspect that the numbers may change over time. I have personally become much more tolerant and even curious about sexuality in all of it's wonderful forms. If general social mores change, will you tend to drift with them or is your standard strictly your own. When you cling to the safety of numbers to substantiate your position, it suggests to me that you may not feel so confident of it. Either way is fine, mind you. I 'm just asking which it is.

Thanks for your honest responses. I see in you aspects of myself at a young age, and it's enlightening for me to have a conversation with my past self in some ways.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 3:00:56 AM

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I guess I define gay like this: Using the "reasonable person standard", if someone peaked in the window and saw me, I would not want them to be able to say, "Whoa, that's gay!"

Than please answer this one for me. Say it was You peeking in My window as say i was undessing my Masters play thing for that evening. And maybe even showering her but to you that would be hot right. Why? Becuse it would be a woman and I together? I think you need to trully understand what a Cuck is. Now asking another question do you wach these men with your mistress? And Dear why would some one be so much of a homeaphobe after being a Peeking Tom?

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 4:28:45 AM

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I still don't get how someone peaking and thinking 'whoa that's gay' (vs saying 'oh, their gay') in the window and seeing a guy watch another guy have sex with a woman would somehow less shocking.

Last Sunday I was at a major play party and I watches 3-4 hot straight leather men take turns flogging and whipping each other. For them it was about the love of pain and inflicting pain. After a scene they would often embrace and laugh and switch places are let another have a turn. Does the fact that they loved being beaten by other men make the gay? Maybe the appreciative hugging afterward?

Personally, I don't think slavekal has any problem understanding 'what a cuck' is; I find him to be well versed in its many different elements and a 'true believer', as it were, even if I often disagree with him over some of the specifics. Just becuase he may have what many of us feel are narrow definations of sexual ideanity makes him no less of a faithful and hinest cuckold to his Mistress.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 4:50:50 AM

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Yours, I think you are confusing identifying with tolerating. "Whoa that's gay" is not the same as "whoa, that's gay, let's kill them faggots". Huge difference.

Thanks, Lady Lupine.

Kitten, I have seen Mistress doing some activities with other guys, but I have not watched her actually having full on sex, and definitely not with the guys she meets in "vanilla"/professional settings. I have heard her, though. She once called me during a sex session and left the phone off the hook so that I could listen.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 4:51:35 AM

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The reason I ask is that I suspect that the numbers may change over time. I have personally become much more tolerant and even curious about sexuality in all of it's wonderful forms. If general social mores change, will you tend to drift with them or is your standard strictly your own. When you cling to the safety of numbers to substantiate your position, it suggests to me that you may not feel so confident of it. Either way is fine, mind you. I 'm just asking which it is.

But he may not change with the years. Some, like you, become more heteroflexible. Others, like me, are more sure that we are straight. Or gay. Or are you saying that all older gays will be more amenable to having sexual and emotional intimacy with females? Because I don't think that's true.

And I have spent over 40 years in a gay community, so for me societal norms have nothing to do with my sexual orientation.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 7:07:21 AM

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But he may not change with the years. Some, like you, become more heteroflexible. Others, like me, are more sure that we are straight. Or gay. Or are you saying that all older gays will be more amenable to having sexual and emotional intimacy with females? Because I don't think that's true.

And I have spent over 40 years in a gay community, so for me societal norms have nothing to do with my sexual orientation.

DesFIP,

That's a good catch. I suppose from my perspective, I see the gaiety of the universe increasing faster than the entropy, but maybe it's just me.

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Yours, I think you are confusing identifying with tolerating. "Whoa that's gay" is not the same as "whoa, that's gay, let's kill them faggots". Huge difference.

Thanks, Lady Lupine.

Kitten, I have seen Mistress doing some activities with other guys, but I have not watched her actually having full on sex, and definitely not with the guys she meets in "vanilla"/professional settings. I have heard her, though. She once called me during a sex session and left the phone off the hook so that I could listen.

slavekal,

Sorry, I didn't mean to cast any aspersions upon your character. I am curious though, about how listening to Mistress on the phone and how it made you feel. Do you desire her in a sexual way? Did that closeness make you desire her more? Regarding your cuckoldry, does the withholding of her sexual pleasures, despite your desire, make you feel punished or deprived? Would being in the room watching her (perhaps from a closet or under the bed) further intensify those feelings for you?

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 7:52:25 AM

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I guess I define gay like this: Using the "reasonable person standard", if someone peaked in the window and saw me, I would not want them to be able to say, "Whoa, that's gay!"

I guess I'm going to have to draw the curtains when I vacuum, and listen to my Les Mis CD with headphones.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 8:43:11 AM

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It does make me desire her more. And in a crazy way, it makes her desire me more. I'm sure seeing her enjoying a nother guy would fire my passions all the more. I did watch a good friend of mine giving her oral. That was the first time that ever happened. She does not deprive me all the time, either. She had sex with me last night. It's just that she desires other men too. She enjoys having a loyal man who will submit to her taking other lovers whenever she wants.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 2:49:57 PM

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Slave Kal sorry that i was rather a Bitch this morning i didnt have my coffee yet. Yes i think you do understand the roll of a cuck. Becuase when i have to watch M with others i have the same feelings i have been told they are normal. do you except my olive branch?

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 2:54:05 PM

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LOL... when I watch dogs do it... I always want to be a dog! OMG! This thread is getting pretty funny!

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/2/2009 3:01:26 PM

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Sure, Kitten. I wasn't mad anyway. We are all still friends.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/3/2009 10:46:57 AM

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is it common or part of the paly for a the sub male too submitt to thew Dom Male if hes a cuckhold

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/3/2009 1:13:54 PM

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It can be, but that is not the case in my situation. I have known others who did employ that dynamic.

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/3/2009 1:35:02 PM

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If I have a sub present when I entertain a lover, I will first know my sub's boundaries. Personally, I like the erotic torture element of saying, "You get to sit here and listen, and can't touch yourself, while you listen to me enjoy myself (loudly) a lot." Whether or not it "works" for the slave to be unbound and told to lick us both clean, or asked to attend my lover in the shower, or even just to fetch us a glass of water while we're still in bed....that's all stuff I'd work out in advance.

But I am waiting to find the sub willing to do all that, and to be cuffed to the bedpost in full view of the action. (grin) (Who is acceptable to me as a sub, AND local to me....sigh)

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RE: Cucks, what will you do? - 4/3/2009 9:31:50 PM

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It seems to me that I might be a good candidate in one way, but not in another. That is, I believe that I could very easily take on a non-sexual role in service as you describe Miss Alexandra. However, this appeals to me most because it would provide a situation where I would not have to consider the possibility of a sexual liaison with the Domme, giving me every excuse to be avoidant of sexual contact. Would that take away the allure of having a cuckolded sub, knowing that the non-sexual position would be much more comfortable for me than the thought of participating and resulting anxiety?

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