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CruelNUnsual -> RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of (4/1/2009 4:44:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

If LN believed there was no hope of recovery than the whole example is pointless, because it is no longer a health care issue.


But that's exactly what you claimed it was.



Reading comprehension, please.  I made no such claim. I responded to a post that said it was.




slvemike4u -> RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of (4/1/2009 4:47:16 PM)

Or consider this,I had disc replacement surgery C6 C7.....the independent*cough* medical examiner ,shortly after the procedure decided I no longer needed phys.therapy.We fought it and one,though by the time this happened fusion had occurred...meaning all the therapy in the world was never going to improve my condition.The Ins.co now pays for regular series of epidurals in my spine in an attempt to minimize my need for vicodin.The courts straightened it out....though my spine is still crooked.




Marc2b -> RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of (4/1/2009 5:48:30 PM)

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you can go to the courts

oh great....


Interesting.  So you trust some branches of government but not others.  Or does it depend upon the issue?

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Guys got cancer and a dozen other things going wrong and you tell him to go to court.

Is this another nifty "options" that we all enjoy? Like sinking is an option in 'sink or swim'?


And to whoever else it may concern because Lost is on tonight and I ain’t missing that (yes, I admit it, I’m a total addict) taking the time to address everyone individually.

It is a reality, whether you like it or not.  Whether our cancer-ridden friend (has he no family?  No friends?  Nobody at all in the world who will go to bat for him?) takes that option or not is up to him.  What I don’t understand is why you would want to take even that option away. 

An honest appraisal of human history demonstrates that, until very recently, the history of governments has been a history of outright tyranny.  Of governments that could do what they want, when they want, to their subjects (the word citizen didn’t really apply).  It has also been a history of governments ever seeking more and more power.  It is the nature of the beast.  It has been a long hard struggle to get to a point where we have a society in which the people actually can claim some dignity, some rights, and actually resist government oppression.  I do not see how handing more and more power to the government (whether the issue is health care or any other issue) is in the best interest of the people.

Yes, I hear all sorts of yeah buts’ about an appeal process or an advocate but (irony noted) the accumulation of government power (particularly in modern times) is often a gradual process.  When the wonderful new system (again, be it healthcare or what ever new bureaucracy – which we will have to pay for, of course – is necessary to “solve” some problem) doesn’t work perfectly (which it cannot, perfection being an impossibility) it will be used as an excuse to take even more power.  If you want people to have actual power then let them have actual power.  Let them have choices.  Let them have the option of leaving one insurance company for another.  Don’t group them all under a single entity that has absolute authority and no incentive to look after their best interests.  Don’t leave them without any options.

Yes, there is an inherit weakness in freedom.  When the people have power they actually have to wield it.  If they don’t know how or, even that they can, then that is a failure of the education system – another area where more, not less, options are needed but an argument for another time on another thread (This thread has certainly drifted off topic but nobody has bitched about it yet, so…) The people can never wield power if they don’t have it. 

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With neo-cons trying to limit law suits and shielding certain companies from even being sued,it`s time for the little guy to catch a break.


Agreed. 

If you haven’t passed out just now, here is what I don’t understand:  How have the neo-cons been trying to shield certain companies from even being sued?  Through the power of government.  Liberal or conservative or whatever – why would you trust those people?




MasterShake69 -> RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of (4/1/2009 6:54:10 PM)

true normally someone rich like Richardson would have flown the specialist doctor out to the patient instead of flying the patient to the Dr.

Its us normal foke that have to transfer the patient to the dr.







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