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Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 2:03:37 PM

LadyBeverly

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I am trying to educate myself on collaring contracts that are also legally valid and sound. My research through Google and Wikipedia produced good results, but not exactly what I am looking for. Are there any good sample collaring contracts on the Internet? Are there attorneys that can and will write such a contract? Any people with first hand experience?

To me collaring is what marriage is in mainstream society and I want to do it to the best of my ability to show honor, respect and appreciation to my sub. So, any help is greatly appreciated. My CollarMe ID: LadyBeverly

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 2:14:10 PM

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Hi,
you are going to get a ton of comment about it all depends and it's up to you.. and so forth... you will get them because.. well it is up to you and depends on what you want.. so let's go from there.

First skip the attorney, it holds no legal weight anyways so unless you just want the legal wording.. skip the attorney.

Decide what your goal it. what level and your desired relationship. do you want a casual short term, a training limited contract, a full ownership, slave or sub?
List out what are the most important aspect of a relationship, and make an outline.
You can write it yourself or ask someone to help write it who has some experiences writing them.

I don't know of any one place to find good ones, so that is why we wrote our own.
We have formal contracts. It has several sections on different topics. I don't mind sharing if anyone wants but it's not posted anywhere.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 2:18:35 PM

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First: I am relatively sure you will find no legal source to construct such a contract for you.

Second: If you need an impartial third party to delineate the binding parameters of a relationship that you and your partner(s) should understand and abide by, what's the point of the relationship anyway?

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 3:08:39 PM

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I just lost half of my Unicorn farm when subsusie left me.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 4:07:48 PM

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Legally valid you say? It's called marriage license.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 4:29:33 PM

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To me a "collaring contract" perhaps best compares to a prenuptial agreement in a conventional marriage. However, I want a collaring contract to refelct on our inter personal relationship and its commitments to each other. This in addition to the conventional formalities needed when entering such a committed state of relationship

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 4:33:40 PM

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Yes, this is what it is called in mainstream society and often includes a prenuptial agreement. However, not all of us can get a marriage license because of certain groups being excluded. Thus, my desire to work in a legal frame work that covers most of my legal concerns. Also, as I stated in another reply, our lifestyle rules will only be part of the entire effort.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 5:59:50 PM

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I would look for a kink aware attorney who would be able to let you know how much lifestyle type things could be placed in it. Other than that I am assuming you are talking about things like medical surrogacy, right of survivorship, inhertitance and such which any attorney should be able to help you with.

Good Luck and the Best to You and yours.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 6:13:34 PM

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Even if a contract would otherwise be legal, like a prenuptial, if it involves even one thing that is not, such as any D/s expecations, the whole contract can be invalidated. If you want the legal contract, keep your collaring "contract" completely separate.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 7:16:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyBeverly
I am trying to educate myself on collaring contracts that are also legally valid and sound. My research through Google and Wikipedia produced good results, but not exactly what I am looking for. Are there any good sample collaring contracts on the Internet? Are there attorneys that can and will write such a contract? Any people with first hand experience?

Refer what you write and agree upon strictly as a covenant between two consenting adult entities for purposes of clarity and ritual, but never for a moment think a so-called "contract" in D/s terms has any legal basis.

Employment contracts, however, can be produced and tailored to suit certain needs. I think that is as close to something marginally enforceable where personal subjugation is concerned, though it will obviously be limited.

If rights of possessions and inheritances are ultimately the goal, pursue these matters individually through recognized systems and institutions; the D/s portion of the matter should remain invisible to all but the two souls involved.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/30/2009 11:58:14 PM

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Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply, Marc. Indeed, I already thought the collaring agreement can, at best be part of a prenuptial agreement and then only, as you state, in a manner that will not void the entire contract.

Lady Beverly

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/31/2009 12:04:24 AM

LadyBeverly

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Thank you for the valuable tip. Like Marc says in his post below, keeping the two separate is essential. Everything else, like inheritance, asset divison in a divorce, medical surrogacy, right of survivorship, etc can be included in other legally binding documents.

Lady Beverly

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/31/2009 5:05:37 AM

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Collaring contracts are uniquely individualistic.

Make your own.

For legal purposes consult a qualified collared attorney.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/31/2009 7:41:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andalusite

Even if a contract would otherwise be legal, like a prenuptial, if it involves even one thing that is not, such as any D/s expecations, the whole contract can be invalidated. If you want the legal contract, keep your collaring "contract" completely separate.

That's why you add an introductory clause stating that if one part of the contract is not legally valid, that the rest of the contract will remain in full force.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/31/2009 11:45:59 AM

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The use of such disclaimers is now pretty much a standard repertoir in all contracts and does offer much more stability for the contract. Still, if the contract is really off the wall, a judge will rip up the contract even with this discalimer. Thus, it makes a lot of sense to keep things seperate and the collaring agreement cilivized.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/31/2009 11:49:16 AM

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Love your poetic definition of Dominance and submission. Would you mind if I add it to my list of interesting quotes?

Lady Beverly

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/31/2009 8:29:08 PM

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quote:

collaring contracts that are also legally valid and sound

You're already in CA, where they do do weird stuff, try an attourney in San Fran or Las Vegas. Other than that, you'll find probably 80% of what you want in employment contracts, and you will actually have to hire this person. Hiring the person for sex is against the law, most places, of course, so you'll have to be creative.

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 3/31/2009 10:19:04 PM

LadyBeverly

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Thanks for your comments, antipode. Yes, there are benefits to living in CA

Still, there is much to do in advancing the rights of our kind of minorities. I don't know if employment contracts are the answer to what I am looking for, but I will take a look at some in order to develop some ideas. Thanks again for the help.

Lady Beverly

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RE: Collaring - Need info on contracts - 4/1/2009 12:45:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
That's why you add an introductory clause stating that if one part of the contract is not legally valid, that the rest of the contract will remain in full force.

I'm definitely not a lawyer, I just have heard of that being an issue, both in contracts that invoked anything about D/s, and also in certain vanilla contracts (ie. clauses requiring that someone who purchases or is given a pet update the seller, or offer first right of refusal/etc.).

I just don't see any advantage in combining the two aspects, and some potential disadvantages.

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