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Spinoff - footprints? - 3/30/2009 10:56:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sea mentioned footprints in the word association thread, but it didn't seem like a good place to reply. I did leave footprints (each toe, plus the little pad underneath them) when someone scared the bejeebers out of me and I ran straight up him, once! Other than that, I've walked on guys several times (usually more of a massage of their back than anything especially fetishy), but that doesn't leave distinct footprints. I suppose I could step in fingerpaint first, but I don't think that's quite what he was referring to! Anyway, just curious if anyone else has left distinct footprints on someone? It seems like it would be difficult to deliberately use that much force without injury.
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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 3/30/2009 11:02:46 PM   
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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 3/30/2009 11:03:04 PM   
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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 3/31/2009 8:15:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		The haiku was a bit fanciful ;-) It was written to begin like a haiku (invoke an image of footprints on a beach) and end humorously with a BDSM twist.

As for leaving footprints, I agree that it would be difficult to practically achieve with weight or pressure alone. The times when I have seen marks, they have been left by heels--it was an imprint of the heel and not the entire shoe. To leave a mark by force, one would need to increase the intensity of force, which would be done by increasing weight and speed, or decreasing the area over which the force is applied. If one is looking to have the prints of toes, that creates questions of safety for each the top and bottom ;-)

As for how to leave whole footprints (I see aesthetic value and did once try to achieve it for this reason), I expect that one could create a temporary print (a few seconds) by pressing down hard on a back that has been through a beating. Beyond that, I think one would need some type of art supply: clay, ink, and the like. Or what if the back is coated in a powder that becomes similar to mud when dampened? And what if then one steps on the back with moistened feet (from water, or just out of boots)?

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 3/31/2009 3:09:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have, but it has more to do with the fact that my boy is pale and shows marks super easy (a delightful thing to play with) than any special technique.  The best, however, is not the foot prints but the print I left from my Chloe 'horse shoe' heels- HOT! Like he was kicked by a horse lol  

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 3/31/2009 10:19:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've left boot-prints on a guy's chest before, but not foot prints. It can indeed be dangerous if it's a kick-y, fight-y thing, and I imagine that it would be hard to make a good mark with just bare feet.

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/1/2009 12:52:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The time that I mentioned, the footprints lasted at least a half hour, but there's no way I would (or even could) deliberately replicate that! Just to clarify, I meant footprints from pressure/contact, not art supplies.

LadyLupine, the horseshoe mark sounds interesting! I've seen the boots, but they're too pricey for me. I actually have all of the gear/clothes to be a handler for pony play, since I do horseback riding, and like practicing dressage movements and different gaits like a horse, but haven't tried any formal BDSM pony play.

Sea, when I've stood on tip-toe (especially on only one foot), it leaves marks for a few seconds, but once I move, the skin tone evens back out within a few seconds.

Bittermoonlight, I haven't worn shoes for standing on anyone, so that could work. Kicking can be done reasonably safely, if it's done fairly lightly and in meaty areas (ie. butt and thighs), but that wouldn't be likely to leave distinct footprints, though it might bruise if the person marks easily.

Anyway, I don't really have immediate plans to leave that kind of marks, just that Sea's post made me curious about it.

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/1/2009 4:17:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		They were massively on sale (actually they were the peep-toe heels not the boots), buy yeah, they were very pricey- but I got them as a birthday gift for the boy.  Photos of them can be seen on my myspace (/ladylupine) and I think I also have one of the bottoms in my CM profile too.  

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/3/2009 5:41:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bittermoonlight
I've left boot-prints on a guy's chest before, but not foot prints.


So then one could say you left footprints atop his heart? ;-)

Yup, I can imagine that with boots with an uneven sole. The weight is then not distributed across the entire area of the sole but along the ridges of the bottom of the sole. It's like the physics behind the tire paddle. Kinda. Sorta.

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite
Sea, when I've stood on tip-toe (especially on only one foot), it leaves marks for a few seconds, but once I move, the skin tone evens back out within a few seconds.


Yup, I can see that too--especially when the skin is stimulated and there is ample blood flow into the area, as would be the case after a flogging. Also, I expect that increasing the duration of standing would increase the duration of the imprint--at least long enough to create a photo op. It would be like the foot play version of waffle print from fishnets ;-)

There may be things that can help the cause. I expect dehydration would aid the imprint. The thinning of blood caused by alcohol could aid bruising but I am unsure if such a clearly defined bruise can be had with weight and pressure from standing alone. What if a domme wearing boots with uneven soles did a few squats while standing on a suitable spot? Or what if there was a sub suspended via wrist cuffs and domme with boots did a reverse roundhouse or whatever on his buttocks to create the tire paddle effect ;-)

I am willing to experiment to track down this information for mankind. I shall first fast for a full day and then serve as a squat mat for imprints. The next day I shall, umm, hydrate myself with alcohol and go for bruises. I shall post photos to document the results of this study in an appropriate peer reviewed journal.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/3/2009 5:46:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't suggest alcohol, but aspirin or tylenol can make bruising more dramatic. Have fun!

BTW, I figure the suspension part was a joke, but just in case, I wouldn't suggest suspension by wrist cuffs, especially when combined with a kick or other jerk - I'd be worried you'd dislocate one or both shoulders or damage your wrists. You probably could be kicked reasonably safely, at a light to medium level of intensity, in a rope suspension setup, but you'd want a rig that supports your body weight primarily through your hips and chest. Or, she can get a foam-covered baseball bat or a bamboo practice sword and play subbie pinata.

Probably the easiest way to get the momentary footprints on film would be for her to hold the camera and take the picture while still standing on your back, as soon as she moves her foot. I'd suggest being next to a wall or something sturdy she can use for balance.

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/3/2009 7:43:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Imprints of my stilleto heeled shoes is always nice to leave on one's body. I adore trampling while I lean over my swing and have a walk about over a restrained sub or slave.

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/3/2009 8:35:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I leave foot prints in my socks and shoes. Does that count?

My foot prints stay on a guys back for a few minutes but heel marks from my shoes stay longer.

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/4/2009 2:25:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		BohemianGoddess, I wouldn't have thought of using a swing for support - I'd have assumed it would be too likely to move if I put weight on it!

AcademyForSlaves, heel marks count.

It's interesting how many people perceive trampling or being walked on as humiliating or degrading. A couple of the toppy-type guys I've dated liked getting walked on, and I've never done it in a humiliating mindset, more of a massage/making his back feel better kind of way.

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/4/2009 5:10:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andalusite
It's interesting how many people perceive trampling or being walked on as humiliating or degrading. A couple of the toppy-type guys I've dated liked getting walked on, and I've never done it in a humiliating mindset, more of a massage/making his back feel better kind of way.


It depends on the context. If it is not requested as a massage, there is symbolism of one standing or walking on another. I think trampling on the chest or front of the body carries greater symbolism--each for violating space that is more personal, and for little room for confusion with a massage ;-)

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/4/2009 11:04:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've had lots of people stand on me (not while I'm lying down, but doing cheerleader-style or acrobatic style supporting of them) in gymnastics class, and it doesn't feel at all humiliating - if anything, it makes me feel very strong, very centered, and very much responsible for them. Standing on someone else makes me feel petite and delicate, and extra feminine. For example, I went to a gymnastics workshop last year, and one of the classes was on tumbling and acrobatics, taught by two men. One of them lay on his back, with his arms sticking straight up in the air, while I balanced standing in the palms of his hands. Really cool/fun, and he was strong enough that it made me feel light as a feather in comparison.

I guess it's just another one of those things that a lot of submissive men view as humiliating, like forced fem/crossdressing, that I just don't feel that way about at all. I enjoy doing it, but I'm coming from a completely different mindspace. There are plenty of other things that push my Domme buttons, but humiliation play usually isn't one of them. I've stood on men's chests and thighs before, from the front (not their stomach, I'm worried I might injure them, though I might put one foot there while the other is supported), but it was more sensual/feeling *their strength* than anything controlling or causing humiliation. *shrugs* Different strokes, and all that.

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/5/2009 3:18:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Andalusite
I've stood on men's chests and thighs before, from the front (not their stomach, I'm worried I might injure them, though I might put one foot there while the other is supported), but it was more sensual/feeling *their strength* than anything controlling or causing humiliation.


I don't in any way insist that everyone should see trampling as humiliation but instead attempt to explain why some might see it that way.

First, I don't claim that trampling necessarily creates feelings of humiliation. It has potential to be symbolic of dominant and submissive roles. It is humiliating to the extent submission might be humiliating, which is generally not the case in consensual submission.

I recall watching a women's wresting match when young. At one point, one wrestler was lying on her back as the other was standing over her. The standing wrestler then stepped up and stood on the face of other wrestler. Even if she had stood on her chest, this act would have symbolized dominance and would have created humiliation for the other wrestler. Thus, standing on someone has potential to symbolize D/s.

A person might plant a kiss on the feet of a partner without any D/s symbolism. However, in other contexts kissing feet can have D/s symbolism. I think that the same applies for trampling--whether it has D/s symbolism or not depends on the context with which each person views this act.

I agree that simply standing on someone does not in itself make for D/s. The energy that surrounds the act defines it. I expect that when it is done as D/s, there will be a certain look on the face of the domme. The D/s aspect of it may also be conveyed verbally.

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Sea

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/5/2009 10:13:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno - kneeling can be symbolic of submission, but isn't automatically such. In a scene, it can easily take on that energy, if you will. Standing on or walking on a man during a scene doesn't have that same association in my reactions, but I can easily feel dominant while I do it if we've been doing other things that put me in that headspace. As to standing on someone's head like you described in the wrestling match, that would come across to me as bullying, not as dominant. If I saw that, I'd think she should be penalised for poor sportsmanship.

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RE: Spinoff - footprints? - 4/5/2009 9:11:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andalusite
As to standing on someone's head like you described in the wrestling match, that would come across to me as bullying, not as dominant. If I saw that, I'd think she should be penalised for poor sportsmanship.


I should have clarified that the wrestling match I saw was WWF or something of the sort. They both likely got promised extra money in the choreography rehearsal for that bit ;-)

Outside BDSM, bullying is a form of dominance, even if it is unhealthy dominance. In consensual BDSM, acts that might be seen as bullying in a vanilla context are willingly done as healthy expressions of dominance or submission--faceslapping is a good example.

Let us imagine an image of one person lying on the back. Let us imagine another person standing beside this person with one foot on the chest of the first. This image carries overtones of dominance and surrender. I think trampling comes from similar places. Trampling has both physical (potential cause of discomfort towards physical SM) and mental aspects. I think the mental aspects are conveyed most when it is done on the frontal torso, or face or head. It has the symbolism of the most personal or noble parts of a body being beneath feet of another.

I agree that there are many activities that have potential to be D/s acts but do not automatically translate to D/s, and that whether they do or not depends on the energy or context around the act. It seems trampling does not carry D/s value for you, which is fair enough. My intent is not to convince you that you should see trampling as a D/s act for your play, but to share comments that might help understand why it carries D/s value for some for their play.

Cheers,

Sea

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