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seaturtle50 -> i am curious ... (1/27/2006 5:32:12 PM)

i have recently had some personal realizations and this has led me to wonder about something. i am asking for shared experiences/opinions, if You please.

i have been spending some time reading information found on Femdom sites, with great interest. <of course> While i have been reading about orgasm denial/control on one of the sites, it was explained to the reader that the main purpose of the denial/control is to cause the male to abandon his persistent masturbatory habits, and fantasy life. For him to instead focus on his dominant Woman as the sole and only focus of sexualized fantasies.

The thinking was, (basically) that the male and Female are substantially different in the way they think about sex within their relationship. In the context of husband wife (as in the example of the article) the wife is not thinking of sex and sexual fantasy all of the time. In the <implied vanilla relationships> example, she is often unaware of the fact that her man is sneaking around jerking off and thinking about anything <implied dirty and nasty things> that he wants. She often assumes he is going without sex at the identical pace as her, when in fact, he is sneaking release by his own hand as many as three times per day <age dependent.> Such releases causing him to become far less attentive to her than he otherwise would be.

It was pointed out that men will consistently “sneak” opportunities to masturbate, and will be thinking of “God only knows what” while doing the deed. Further, that once his dominant Woman removes this option, his attention will immediately and rightly be focused only on her Power over him, and his desire for Her. The gist of the reading was that this will of course lead him to become very focused on Her pleasure, and he will become extremely pliant and wanting to please Her. She will quickly become the center of ALL of his sexual fantasies.

First of all, this makes perfect sense to me. i am guilty of this crime in all of my past long-term relationships. i can readily see and admit that Her taking proper control of my fantasy life <read orgasms> would not only be appropriate, but that it essentially would have solved most ALL of the relationship problems that i have experienced. Certainly, those past relationships that were otherwise healthy and workable. i mean to say that i do think this would have created exactly the result in me that the author proposed, and for the exact reasons suggested. i cannot imagine myself, under these conditions, not making Her my new subject of nearly constant fantasy, passion, and desire.

Now, what i am curious about – if this is true (so far only good theory in my life) and if it makes as much sense as it seems – is there an equivalent reason for a Dom/me to deny orgasm to His/Her female sub/slave? i do understand already that there are many (good) reasons for such denial. My question specifically is – is there a valid equivalent reason for this to be required in the case of a female?

It does seem that if something in the lifestyle applies to the male sub, it would be equally true for the female submissive. This concept however, looks to be an exception to me, based on my current understanding of the basic differences in the physiology, overall mindset, as well as the cultural and sexual erudition of the average male and female. (Exceptions to this “average” not withstanding ;-)

i do find this to be interesting, and wish to learn more.










LadyJulieAnn -> RE: i am curious ... (1/27/2006 5:57:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: seaturtle50

i have recently had some personal realizations and this has led me to wonder about something. i am asking for shared experiences/opinions, if You please.

i have been spending some time reading information found on Femdom sites, with great interest. <of course> While i have been reading about orgasm denial/control on one of the sites, it was explained to the reader that the main purpose of the denial/control is to cause the male to abandon his persistent masturbatory habits, and fantasy life. For him to instead focus on his dominant Woman as the sole and only focus of sexualized fantasies.



I have no desire to change his masturbatory habits, but use them to "torture" him. I enjoy denying a sub orgasm, but may encourage or enforce masturbation without being allowed release for a specified amount of time (nothing beyond 1-2 weeks, or I get bored with the idea). I do believe that I can get him to be so desperate that he will do anything for me, but that's not necessarily my purpose. I enjoy teasing him relentlessly and seeing his reaction as time goes by.

I don't have female subs, so I can't comment on the question you asked, but I wanted to say that while femdom sites can have some interesting information, they don't necessarily reflect everyones ideas.

Be well,
Julie




MstrssPassion -> RE: i am curious ... (1/27/2006 7:06:25 PM)

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seaturtle50: if something in the lifestyle applies to the male sub, it would be equally true for the female submissive


Your post was well written & points made are fairly accurate, but this is where your observations took a nose-dive.

Simple fact to keep in mind: men & women are wired differently.

Regardless to orientation or involvement to any form of 'lifestyle' whether alt or vanilla or otherwise.

You can't play a pronoun game & switch he for she or she for he to make the story fit.

Women were basically designed for procreation & their sex drive is motivated around this in many regards. It is even proof that a female orgasm helps a woman conceive.

Do women simply have a sex drive for the pure joy of it all... sure we do. Would orgasm control conform her sexual desire to that of her mate/master? Maybe.

I would say that orgasm control is a much more effective tool in the training of males more so than females. No basis, merely opinion.




yourMissTress -> RE: i am curious ... (1/27/2006 9:12:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

quote:

seaturtle50: if something in the lifestyle applies to the male sub, it would be equally true for the female submissive


Your post was well written & points made are fairly accurate, but this is where your observations took a nose-dive.

Simple fact to keep in mind: men & women are wired differently.

Regardless to orientation or involvement to any form of 'lifestyle' whether alt or vanilla or otherwise.

You can't play a pronoun game & switch he for she or she for he to make the story fit.

Women were basically designed for procreation & their sex drive is motivated around this in many regards. It is even proof that a female orgasm helps a woman conceive.

Do women simply have a sex drive for the pure joy of it all... sure we do. Would orgasm control conform her sexual desire to that of her mate/master? Maybe.

I would say that orgasm control is a much more effective tool in the training of males more so than females. No basis, merely opinion.





I think that Mistrss Passion nailed it. Anything I would add would be superfluous.




Real0ne -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 8:31:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion
I would say that orgasm control is a much more effective tool in the training of males more so than females. No basis, merely opinion.

Well maybe its because women, not all women, can orgasm with out any external stimulus. pretty tough to control when they can get off on the chastity device.
men do too, but in their sleep and unlikely to remember it, while women can fully conscious.




seaturtle50 -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 8:35:29 AM)

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Well maybe its because women, not all women, can orgasm with out any external stimulus. pretty tough to control when they can get off on the chastity device.
men do too, but in their sleep and unlikely to remember it, while women can fully conscious


Does it ever seem as though Women have ALL the advantages? [;)]

st50




Real0ne -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 8:39:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: seaturtle50
Does it ever seem as though Women have ALL the advantages? [;)]
st50


No way! They are stuck with the 21day plague. and then homonal hell between their 45's-65's. Not sure i would be willing to make that kind of trade off.




seaturtle50 -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 8:55:15 AM)

quote:

It does seem that if something in the lifestyle applies to the male sub, it would be equally true for the female submissive


quote:

but this is where your observations took a nose-dive


Thank You MstrssPassion,

The above quote was only meant in general terms. Like for instance - when a question is posted on "ask a submissive" in most cases it is relevant to both male and female. (It being agreed that there are ALWAYS acceptions)

I do of course know about the difference in wiring (note - did not say understand those differences. [;)]) Actually, those differences and my lack of understanding from the female and Dom/me perspective are what piqued my interest, and resulted in my post.

Thank You for your insight.

st50




seaturtle50 -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 8:57:41 AM)

No way! They are stuck with the 21day plague. and then homonal hell between their 45's-65's

Oh yea, and then that whole child birth thing! [:(] But still ....

st50




TeeGO -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 11:21:02 AM)

It sounds like your reading the Female Supremacy sites. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, I like reading them too.) But in the vast majority of Female Dominated D/s relationships orgasm control has far different meanings. For me, the denial does not make me more servile, just more frustrated. (A good ass beating makes me more servile.) She has her reasons for the denial, it's all about the training and control. I really don't want to know the detailed reasons though. I have surrendered to her, and that's all that counts.[:D]




veronicaofML -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 11:33:13 AM)


Now, what i am curious about – if this is true (so far only good theory in my life) and if it makes as much sense as it seems – is there an equivalent reason for a Dom/me to deny orgasm to His/Her female sub/slave? i do understand already that there are many (good) reasons for such denial. My question specifically is – is there a valid equivalent reason for this to be required in the case of a female?
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male female..its the same

normally it amounts to a "control" issue for doms/dommes.

nothing more
nothing less
SOME use it as a neans to get your attention...a lot feel if you control their sex you control them
so i just quit worrying about it, and havent had sex since 2001..........that way i cant BE controlled.!
i beat em at their own game.




TexasMaam -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 2:24:42 PM)

Oh my! What bait! lolololololol

You never heard of a nymphomaniac?

lolololololol

TM




seaturtle50 -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 5:13:41 PM)

quote:

i just quit worrying about it, and havent had sex since 2001..........that way i cant BE controlled.!
i beat em at their own game.


Thanks for the insight Veronica, you have just given me a primary reason to not resist cock/orgasm control [;)]

st50




AAkasha -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 6:36:26 PM)


As a femdom, there are reasons I enjoy chastity that really don't have anything to do with making the man horny, or focussed, or controlling his masturbation per se. So much of that really depends on the how the man is "wired." If you take a vanilla guy and put him in chastity, you aren't going to get the same results as if you put a man in chastity who eroticizes that act *and* the woman who holds the key -- he is going to give positive results, while the other type of man is going to get irritable or resentful in many cases.

One of the reasons I enjoy chastity that is not listed is the actual restraint of the cock itself. I like to see a dick locked up in a curve or CB-3000. I like to see balls restrained too. I like the permanence of it once a lock is in place. I like knowing he is going around during the day feeling the added weight and discomfort of the cage around his dick. I like knowing that he is reminded, constantly, that I OWN his dick. The next best thing would be walking around all day holding his balls in my grip and reminding him that he's all mine.

Sadly, I can't have this with my primary partner, and never have been able to accomplish that unless I was traveling or in a long distance situation. I like sexual intercourse too much, and I like cum too much. I like it squirting in me, on me, on him, or on various body parts. I like ejaculation and I like messy sex -- and I like it often. That doesn't leave much room for 30+ days of a locked up cock and NO cumming...

That's why I love "additional" boys to play with in this arena, especially ones that crave strict, long term chastity. I'm working on a solution to the problem of having real, accountable locking of a cb-3000 from a distance without having a back up key (I don't like subs being able to cheat) and once this can be accomplished, male slaves around the world can realize what it is like to really be locked up long distance -- and not be able to cheat!

Akasha




veronicaofML -> RE: i am curious ... (1/28/2006 8:15:10 PM)


Thanks for the insight Veronica, you have just given me a primary reason to not resist cock/orgasm control

st50

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