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Termyn8or -> Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 6:24:39 PM)
First of all, I'll try not to show ego here, but I have worked and studied hard to get where I am. The offer came in today. One of the owners of where I used to work just called and upped the ante. I don't like switching horses too much but it was laid on the line today. Thirty bucks an hour take home, and free transportation both ways (I don't have a car right now, but will soon). This thirty an hour would be paid by prepaid CC, and if there is any possibility that they can't get away with it, they will pay my taxes and rewrite everything which would mean that I get an income tax refund without ever paying into it. Sort of like a bonus. I worked for them a little bit in 2007 and that is exactly what they did. Do you have any idea how much one has to make to actually take home $30 an hour ? What's more is that it adds up to 92 miles a day for them to drive. Problem is that my current employ needs me as much as possible right now, I have been there four years and am starting to like it. I see that as a primary loyalty, and is what pays the bills. This offer is more money, but as good as it is, it is understood that it is only temporary. It is also pretty much any hours and any days I choose. Like many people today I could use a little booster shot of money. After all I have to buy a car (don't ask what happened to the last one, oh well I'll just tell you, the engine fell out of it). I will only buy certain makes and models, and I know I should've started looking, at least for a backup a long time ago. I also bought a new PC, so that bill will be coming as well. I am also about ready for some new clothes and things like that. And a two ohm stable audio amp (they are a bit pricey). Like I said, I don't want to come off as bragging because I know alot of people are having alot of trouble in the job department. Please don't begrudge me because I have a few trump cards to play. But this is important. I left that place on good terms, and they have helped me at my new job, the two companies are not in direct competition so it's no skin off anyone. To take any time off my current job is not good right now, but I could get away with it. The question is, do I want to ? I do have some time to make the decision, but I thought I'd throw it out there to see if someone might have a different slant on the issue. T

CruelNUnsual -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 6:47:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or First of all, I'll try not to show ego here, but I have worked and studied hard to get where I am. The offer came in today. One of the owners of where I used to work just called and upped the ante. I don't like switching horses too much but it was laid on the line today. Thirty bucks an hour take home, and free transportation both ways (I don't have a car right now, but will soon). This thirty an hour would be paid by prepaid CC, and if there is any possibility that they can't get away with it, they will pay my taxes and rewrite everything which would mean that I get an income tax refund without ever paying into it. Sort of like a bonus. I worked for them a little bit in 2007 and that is exactly what they did. Do you have any idea how much one has to make to actually take home $30 an hour ? What's more is that it adds up to 92 miles a day for them to drive. Problem is that my current employ needs me as much as possible right now, I have been there four years and am starting to like it. I see that as a primary loyalty, and is what pays the bills. This offer is more money, but as good as it is, it is understood that it is only temporary. It is also pretty much any hours and any days I choose. Like many people today I could use a little booster shot of money. After all I have to buy a car (don't ask what happened to the last one, oh well I'll just tell you, the engine fell out of it). I will only buy certain makes and models, and I know I should've started looking, at least for a backup a long time ago. I also bought a new PC, so that bill will be coming as well. I am also about ready for some new clothes and things like that. And a two ohm stable audio amp (they are a bit pricey). Like I said, I don't want to come off as bragging because I know alot of people are having alot of trouble in the job department. Please don't begrudge me because I have a few trump cards to play. But this is important. I left that place on good terms, and they have helped me at my new job, the two companies are not in direct competition so it's no skin off anyone. To take any time off my current job is not good right now, but I could get away with it. The question is, do I want to ? I do have some time to make the decision, but I thought I'd throw it out there to see if someone might have a different slant on the issue. T The way you describe the tax situation isnt terribly clear. Ultimately if they dont gross up your salary for taxes (where the gross up takes into account any of the legitimate write offs you might get as an employee or individual contractor) then one way or another you as an individual are breaking the law if you wind up netting the $30. Most likely they are too. The question I would ask is "do I have a long term future with a company that plays fast and loose with the law, or will they play fast and loose with me too". I don't know that "loyalty" to a company is a major consideration, unless you honestly think that the loyalty will be repaid above and beyond the value of the new offer. Essentially loyalty to employees went out the window in the late 80s/early 80s at most companies, and if you are loyal at your own expense there is a good chance it wont be repaid.

MasterG2kTR -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 7:00:12 PM)
The real thing you need to look at is job stability for the future. Is one job in a more stable (business) market than the other? Do you foresee better employment longevity with one or the other? What kind of personal demands do both offer/require? Ultimately you need to do what is best for you. Jobs will come and go, and you need to consider your future just as much if not more, than the company's future.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 7:03:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or First of all, I'll try not to show ego here, but I have worked and studied hard to get where I am. The offer came in today. One of the owners of where I used to work just called and upped the ante. I don't like switching horses too much but it was laid on the line today. Thirty bucks an hour take home, and free transportation both ways (I don't have a car right now, but will soon). This thirty an hour would be paid by prepaid CC, and if there is any possibility that they can't get away with it, they will pay my taxes and rewrite everything which would mean that I get an income tax refund without ever paying into it. Sort of like a bonus. I worked for them a little bit in 2007 and that is exactly what they did. Do you have any idea how much one has to make to actually take home $30 an hour ? What's more is that it adds up to 92 miles a day for them to drive. Problem is that my current employ needs me as much as possible right now, I have been there four years and am starting to like it. I see that as a primary loyalty, and is what pays the bills. This offer is more money, but as good as it is, it is understood that it is only temporary. It is also pretty much any hours and any days I choose. Like many people today I could use a little booster shot of money. After all I have to buy a car (don't ask what happened to the last one, oh well I'll just tell you, the engine fell out of it). I will only buy certain makes and models, and I know I should've started looking, at least for a backup a long time ago. I also bought a new PC, so that bill will be coming as well. I am also about ready for some new clothes and things like that. And a two ohm stable audio amp (they are a bit pricey). Like I said, I don't want to come off as bragging because I know alot of people are having alot of trouble in the job department. Please don't begrudge me because I have a few trump cards to play. But this is important. I left that place on good terms, and they have helped me at my new job, the two companies are not in direct competition so it's no skin off anyone. To take any time off my current job is not good right now, but I could get away with it. The question is, do I want to ? I do have some time to make the decision, but I thought I'd throw it out there to see if someone might have a different slant on the issue. T Couldn't say. (Do you want to?)

kdsub -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 7:04:57 PM)
Back before HR so you know how long ago that was I often screened resumes for interviewees. No matter the qualifications I would throw out job jumpers arbritarily. Our business wanted responsible employees that we could develop over a long period of time and were loyal. But that day is passed I suppose..but I am still leery of people that have had 4 jobs is 5 years. Myself I would tell my boss how much I enjoyed working for him but explain my financial situation was making it hard to pass the opportunity up. Explain that you would be willing to compromise somewhat to remain as long as there was a reasonable path to equal the offer in the near future. What can it hurt...Just be sure you have a solid offer before approaching your boss..just in case he tells you not to let the door hit your ass on the way out. Butch

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 7:05:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or First of all, I'll try not to show ego here, but I have worked and studied hard to get where I am. The offer came in today. One of the owners of where I used to work just called and upped the ante. I don't like switching horses too much but it was laid on the line today. Thirty bucks an hour take home, and free transportation both ways (I don't have a car right now, but will soon). This thirty an hour would be paid by prepaid CC, and if there is any possibility that they can't get away with it, they will pay my taxes and rewrite everything which would mean that I get an income tax refund without ever paying into it. Sort of like a bonus. I worked for them a little bit in 2007 and that is exactly what they did. Do you have any idea how much one has to make to actually take home $30 an hour ? What's more is that it adds up to 92 miles a day for them to drive. Problem is that my current employ needs me as much as possible right now, I have been there four years and am starting to like it. I see that as a primary loyalty, and is what pays the bills. This offer is more money, but as good as it is, it is understood that it is only temporary. It is also pretty much any hours and any days I choose. Like many people today I could use a little booster shot of money. After all I have to buy a car (don't ask what happened to the last one, oh well I'll just tell you, the engine fell out of it). I will only buy certain makes and models, and I know I should've started looking, at least for a backup a long time ago. I also bought a new PC, so that bill will be coming as well. I am also about ready for some new clothes and things like that. And a two ohm stable audio amp (they are a bit pricey). Like I said, I don't want to come off as bragging because I know alot of people are having alot of trouble in the job department. Please don't begrudge me because I have a few trump cards to play. But this is important. I left that place on good terms, and they have helped me at my new job, the two companies are not in direct competition so it's no skin off anyone. To take any time off my current job is not good right now, but I could get away with it. The question is, do I want to ? I do have some time to make the decision, but I thought I'd throw it out there to see if someone might have a different slant on the issue. T The way you describe the tax situation isnt terribly clear. Ultimately if they dont gross up your salary for taxes (where the gross up takes into account any of the legitimate write offs you might get as an employee or individual contractor) then one way or another you as an individual are breaking the law if you wind up netting the $30. Most likely they are too. The question I would ask is "do I have a long term future with a company that plays fast and loose with the law, or will they play fast and loose with me too". I don't know that "loyalty" to a company is a major consideration, unless you honestly think that the loyalty will be repaid above and beyond the value of the new offer. Essentially loyalty to employees went out the window in the late 80s/early 80s at most companies, and if you are loyal at your own expense there is a good chance it wont be repaid. Hmmmm....I may have missed something here but....I don't see how them paying him 30 bucks causes him to be breaking the law.

Crush -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 7:07:07 PM)
Loyalty to companies died when company loyalty to employees died. About the same time MBAs starting running companies.....

FangsNfeet -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 7:16:41 PM)
If you can afford it, you should do what you love doing. Other than that, research both jobs. With all the lay offs, debts, and bankruptceis these days, it might be better to stick with the company that's more stable.

Vendaval -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 10:07:12 PM)
Term, Do whatever is best for your long term future. Find out how stable both companies are and what their prospects for the future look like. Try not to burn any bridges if you can. Ven

TreasureKY -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 10:27:19 PM)
Obviously I don't know all the details, but if the new offer is pretty much any hours and days you wish, why not work both jobs? If there's truly no competition between the employers, and as long as your current employer has no policy against you "moonlighting", I'd discuss with the new company your desire not to give up a "permanent" position for one that is temporary, but you'd like to help him out all you can. Even part-time work for them on your days off might help them out and would certainly give your income a boost.

naswitch -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/1/2009 11:49:30 PM)
You have time into one job that you say you are starting to like and the other is attractive for the money but it's temporary. I'm with TKY on this - see if you can be flexible and do both. Assuming, as you've already said, there is no conflict, it could be a great opportunity for everyone.

PlayfulOne -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 4:17:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Hmmmm....I may have missed something here but....I don't see how them paying him 30 bucks causes him to be breaking the law. Yes you missed some thing. If they pay him under the table they are violation. If he doesn't report the income, he is in violation. Both are guilty of breaking several laws and statutes. K.

NorthernGent -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 4:24:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I thought I'd throw it out there to see if someone might have a different slant on the issue. I have zero loyalty to any company. Nowhere in my contract does it state: "out of loyalty, you should remain with us in the event a better offer comes along". Business is business; there is no sentiment of loyalty being due. If the shoe were on the other foot, you wouldn't get 'loyalty' (quite right, too).

DesFIP -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 5:26:46 AM)
You said that the offer is temporary. Is it worth earning more money for 3 or 6 months if afterwards you will be out of work? Can you work less hours where you are now, and work a second job at the other company? And will the longer commute be very difficult on you? Things to think about.

KneelforAnne -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 5:53:10 AM)
I agree with the statements that say perhaps you could work for both. If company B has a temporary assignment, could they lengthen the time frame and let you do it part time? If they desperately want YOU to do it, then perhaps you have some room to negotiate? From what you have said they want you bad, so make it work for you! If that isn’t the case, or they will not negotiate...then perhaps take these questions into consideration: How much longer am I going to have to work/How much longer until I can retire? Which job will help meet that goal? If I take the temporary job, what are my options after that assignment is over? Where do I get more joy? What is my “gut reaction” telling me to do? Where do I like working more? Personally, if you can’t do both and returning to the job that you are in isn’t an option after you take this new gig…. I wouldn’t do it. Not if you are enjoying it. Those jobs are rare. AND Not in this economy. It would be great to make that money and get all of that stuff...but if you can't make rent or the mortgage payment next year because you don't have a job...really...where did that get you? But, I am more of a “slow and steady” when it comes to a career I enjoy. Best of luck!

LaTigresse -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 7:33:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Term, Do whatever is best for your long term future. Find out how stable both companies are and what their prospects for the future look like. Try not to burn any bridges if you can. Ven My thoughts exactly.

Crush -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 7:55:22 AM)
Agreed...best for you, not for the company any more. If something came up and I wanted to do it more, I'd jump ship. And I've been here for 28 years, but don't feel the "love" from the administration...

CruelNUnsual -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 9:10:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or First of all, I'll try not to show ego here, but I have worked and studied hard to get where I am. The offer came in today. One of the owners of where I used to work just called and upped the ante. I don't like switching horses too much but it was laid on the line today. Thirty bucks an hour take home, and free transportation both ways (I don't have a car right now, but will soon). This thirty an hour would be paid by prepaid CC, and if there is any possibility that they can't get away with it, they will pay my taxes and rewrite everything which would mean that I get an income tax refund without ever paying into it. Sort of like a bonus. I worked for them a little bit in 2007 and that is exactly what they did. Do you have any idea how much one has to make to actually take home $30 an hour ? What's more is that it adds up to 92 miles a day for them to drive. Problem is that my current employ needs me as much as possible right now, I have been there four years and am starting to like it. I see that as a primary loyalty, and is what pays the bills. This offer is more money, but as good as it is, it is understood that it is only temporary. It is also pretty much any hours and any days I choose. Like many people today I could use a little booster shot of money. After all I have to buy a car (don't ask what happened to the last one, oh well I'll just tell you, the engine fell out of it). I will only buy certain makes and models, and I know I should've started looking, at least for a backup a long time ago. I also bought a new PC, so that bill will be coming as well. I am also about ready for some new clothes and things like that. And a two ohm stable audio amp (they are a bit pricey). Like I said, I don't want to come off as bragging because I know alot of people are having alot of trouble in the job department. Please don't begrudge me because I have a few trump cards to play. But this is important. I left that place on good terms, and they have helped me at my new job, the two companies are not in direct competition so it's no skin off anyone. To take any time off my current job is not good right now, but I could get away with it. The question is, do I want to ? I do have some time to make the decision, but I thought I'd throw it out there to see if someone might have a different slant on the issue. T The way you describe the tax situation isnt terribly clear. Ultimately if they dont gross up your salary for taxes (where the gross up takes into account any of the legitimate write offs you might get as an employee or individual contractor) then one way or another you as an individual are breaking the law if you wind up netting the $30. Most likely they are too. The question I would ask is "do I have a long term future with a company that plays fast and loose with the law, or will they play fast and loose with me too". I don't know that "loyalty" to a company is a major consideration, unless you honestly think that the loyalty will be repaid above and beyond the value of the new offer. Essentially loyalty to employees went out the window in the late 80s/early 80s at most companies, and if you are loyal at your own expense there is a good chance it wont be repaid. Hmmmm....I may have missed something here but....I don't see how them paying him 30 bucks causes him to be breaking the law. If he doesnt declare the FULL income (ie including the amount that the employer is supposedly paying for his taxes) and then pays taxes on the full amount netting 30, even if he does declare the $30, he is underreporting. Also, the "being paid by prepaid credit card" nonsense seems pretty obviously an attempt to pay him without it being reported as income to him.

MrRodgers -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 9:15:34 AM)
Oops

MrRodgers -> RE: Company loyalty ? (4/2/2009 9:17:27 AM)
Company loyalty is an oxymoron.

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