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  To argue that someone is not climbing a mountain when they are instead, walking on a beach, is much less personal than telling someone what they are, is not what they say. 

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On the other hand,  if someone walks across a sandy beach claiming that he's climbing a mountain, I'm going to seriously doubt that he's actually climbing a mountain. 

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ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

There we go again... look, if you think it's your biological destiny to submit sexually then have at it. If you have that 'primal' need, go for it. But don't presume to speak for the rest of humanity: your experience isn't universal... and need I say it? This isn't Gor.

"Il est très doux de scandaliser. Il existe là un petit triomphe pour l'orgueil qui n'est nullement à dédaigner." (DAF)

Who ever said I was Gorean? I'm not. But I'm not sticking my head in the sand about the fact that the human race is part of the animal kingdom and that people have primal instincts. People may choose to not be tied by their primal origins and have risen to heights of civilzation. And it is totally up to others to choose either to rise above the primitive human or to explore it. I do not attempt to "speak for humanity" in their choices. I have said only that there are many types of slavery and that it can be fantasy or it can be real depending on how it is done. Just as love can be real or fake. Anything can be faked. What I object to only is that you attempt to judge someone else's life, that you are not a participant of, see it from the outside, and declare that what they do is not real because you disagree with the word choice. English is a limited language. Perhaps there is not a word that completely encompasses what it is, but the closest words I can come up with is "spiritual slavery." But the point is to understand what the words refer to not to nitpick linguistics.

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Maybe she assumed you were Gorean because you post things like this over there? Could be....either way I am glad you find us so amusing,

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


To argue that someone is not climbing a mountain when they are instead, walking on a beach, is much less personal than telling someone what they are, is not what they say.

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ORIGINAL: catize

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  To argue that someone is not climbing a mountain when they are instead, walking on a beach, is much less personal than telling someone what they are, is not what they say. 

Excellent point, LaTigresse!  The way we are currently feeling about ourselves or something in our lives can have an impact on how we react to someone else’s opinions of an issue.  If we are secure and sure of something then we tend to not get all fussed about what others say. 

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

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On the other hand,  if someone walks across a sandy beach claiming that he's climbing a mountain, I'm going to seriously doubt that he's actually climbing a mountain. 

Lol. Also this is the internet and we don't have 'proof' per se of what anyone says, we only have their word. You could 99% say i have just sat here and typed this post, but there is always that 1% chance i got someone else or let someone else do it.
 

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ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis

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Maybe she assumed you were Gorean because you post things like this over there? Could be....either way I am glad you find us so amusing,

As a matter of fact Aynne, you misinterpreted what I wrote. I like going over there to talk to people because I find a lot of people who understand slavery in the same way as me with whom I can communicate. Whereas, on CM in general, not specific to this thread or any one person in particular, it is much harder to find those who live slavery in a similar way, which I find disheartening because I enjoy talking about other slave's experiences. You misunderstood my amusement. I was not laughing at this thread, but rolling my eyes at myself for deciding to be involved in the discussion of whether slavery is real or fantasy since it was bound to become a heated debate due to the nature of the topic... something I usually try to stay out of, but since the topic interested me I thought I would anyway. I apologize if it came out sounding differently. It is difficult to make typed words come out the way they would in speech or in person.

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I did not interpret nor misinterpret it anna, I posted it in it's entirety, I know it is a common discussion over there about the validity and "realness" of the Gorean ways, but honestly I see a lot of "girl bows, smiles sweetly, brings more mead, sucks cock" etc. while disparaging the "bdsm" people as fake and game players? Oh that is some rich irony indeed. Meanwhile, the slave thread over there is a bitch fest extraordinaire, over absolute nonsense. I think my irritation with this is how I see the constant superiority of people that believe in a philos on some pulp fiction poorly written mysogynistic archaic writing by a really poor author. It pisses me off. Not not all of them, just for clarification.

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To argue that someone is not climbing a mountain when they are instead, walking on a beach, is much less personal than telling someone what they are, is not what they say. 

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
It pisses me off.

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To me it was musings of a somewhat philosphical nature; nothing more, nothing less, no attempt to "prove" anything, demand proof of anything,  or discredit or invalidate anyone. 

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Perhaps my lack of emotional investment in this discussion rendered me a bit ignorant about what's going on under the surface.  A lot of people seem to have some kind of passive aggressive statement to make without actually owning it or being direct.  I can't tell who it's about or who it's directed at, only that I've been quoted and used as the platform for these supposed convictions.   

I'm done with this one

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ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis
As a matter of fact Aynne, you misinterpreted what I wrote. I like going over there to talk to people because I find a lot of people who understand slavery in the same way as me with whom I can communicate.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Yeah I can tell you have an axe to grind. Your statements are very second wavish.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
It pisses me off.