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hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 1/28/2006 1:43:37 AM   
JekylHyde


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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 1/28/2006 4:39:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		a few excerpts: Teens, who have the most disposable income in this country, have overwhelmingly made rap their music of choice. So who cares if too many rap lyrics are about bitches and hos? On the contrary, many brand names seem to be saying, “The next time you whip out dog chains for women, can you emblazon the chains with my company logo?”

“Some companies don’t care what an artist has said to become so popular. It’s just can he say it holding the company’s phone, wearing its clothes, or driving its car?”

"Mostly in videos, the women are there to serve the men,"<snip>Of course, every rapper who envisions himself as a pimp requires a bevy of willing females to bring the image to life. Round-the-way girls and African queens need not apply. Women here have one job only: to portray every shade and variation of a girl enthralled, enslaved by and beholden to a rapper—pimp. It’s the ho show.
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The depictions of women in these videos are absolutely horrible. As stated... bitches & hos, pieces of rump shaking flesh who's only purpose is to fulfill testosterone driven sexual pleasure.

This is what our children are seeing & this is how the industry is attempting to dress them. This is how our daughters are seeing women & the impression made to them is that this is the way women behave. One teen interviewed in this piece mentioned she has these videos running non-stop, all day, all night, often just on to be on.

I find the whole thing disturbing. I am a mother of two teenage girls. I have not banned these types of videos. To do so would mean that I would have to ban all music channels. Many artists that we all enjoy have these offensive videos scattered within the sets. I enjoy many styles of music & these artists that promote such deplorable images of women have also produced decent music.

I fail to see how this piece is related to the scene. The mere mention of women serving men or wearing dog chains & leashes does not make it lifestyle related.

I am fairly sure that if the submissive women on the boards look at these articles they will chime in with equal resentment to these offensive images. Bitches & hos isn't what submission & service is about.

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 4:45:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't call this stuff music I call it trash. Trash sells unfortnately and thats why it has become so popular. I am not a bitch, I am not a ho I am a woman. I don't get down on my knees being drug around by a dog collar and leash while some badly dressed pimp *Daddy* who can't sing drags me around to show off to his *homies*.

I had a discussion with my teenaged daughter about the whole hip hop rap gangsta thing and she told me she found it equally offensive. She and I don't listen to this garbage but my boyfriend does from time to time, in his car without us in it.

Music is artistic and it flows from inside the only place this crap flows from is the anus.

Women need to stand up, have some pride and stop allowing ourselves to be used as mindless eyecandy to put money into some rich old bastards pocket. If a woman wants to be treated like a *ho* fine thats on her just don't drag the rest of us down with her.

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 5:10:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I often wonder what do these types of music vidoes say to young women *of colour in a world wide sense or more importantly

what is it saying to the main consumers of this music/marketing ... middle class white kids.

I know I would be pissed off if I was in the position of trying to raise a child of colour and all the pop cultural images showed women of colour as being just fodder for sex needs



***** "of colour" is being used as a catch all to desrcibe all the different races and ethnic backrounds of the women from asian to african being used in these images ...IT IS IN NO WAY MEANT TO OFFEND OR DISRESPECT.

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 6:31:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the 60's i was told by the "adults" that my music was satanic, evil, all drug abusers, and would destroy the fabric of mankind.

While some of that may have been true today i always smile when i realize a version of one of those songs is playing ... in the elevator!

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 8:19:00 AM   
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I know I would be pissed off if I was in the position of trying to raise a child of colour and all the pop cultural images showed women of colour as being just fodder for sex needs
"Dirty" things have been done in music for decades. Black rappers are just catching up and cashing in on what sells. Ask any rapper, and I bet they grew up with dreams of being influenced by drugs, sex and rock and roll mentality of what fun means.

I find the lyrics offensive, personally don't play it around my unmentionable, and to be sure, I am not the one keeping those kids rich, but I don't go around taking responsibility for the the fact that America sees black women as dangerously sexy, as opposed to just sexy like every other naked ass on the tv, like Madonna, Britney Spears, etc.... M

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 2:06:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rap and Hip Hop isn't music. The message is raunchy and angry and reverse racist. When I have heard some of this stuff (mostly out of a car driving down the street) in a 30 second time period I heard at least 10 uses of the word Fuck. The messages that I glean from the lyrics that I hear are inciting anger and ill will. I have yet to hear a happy uplifting rap/gangsta/hip-hop song.

Sex sells and the degradation of women is a very popular theme amongst these "artists." It is a disturbing thing... other eras in music have had their off color origins and images, rap is just another one of these things that are indicative of how our young people perceive things. Is it a wonder that we see a great deal of lack of respect from young people in comparison to the older ones of us that were raised a little differently? Also, don't blast me for being too general because it was not my intent to be that way. I am fully aware that there are good and bad people and good and bad music.

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 2:11:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can we point out that none of these women are being forced to do anything?

Whatever happened to supporting consent?

I personally like a lot of rap and hip hop.

You think any of what's being shown today is really that different and new in comparison to what previous generations have? It's a normal progression.

Those darn kids...no respect...


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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 3:20:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JekylHyde

http://www.essence.com/essence/takebackthemusic/dirtydancing.html
http://www.essence.com/essence/takebackthemusic/thenewhustle.html

(btw, is that image just an editorial image for that specific article, or is it from a video? thanks)





I admit it, I like rap music. And before anyone questions my ability to call something music, I was a classical violinist for a long time and almost made it a profession.

I personally don't consider country western music actual music, I just don't understand how its listenable. It sounds like one big whine.

I think unfortunately rap music is lumped into one big mysognistic pool. There are rappers like The Roots, Kayne West, and others who don't rap about stuff like that, and if you listen to their lyrics are just about their life and problems they've encountered. But then there are other rappers who I also enjoy, like Jay Z and Ludacris that aren't so... enlightened in their lyrics. I see it as a function of choice that doesn't bleed into my perspectives on women and life.

If you look at the RIAA's website, teenagers don't really account for the vast majority of sales, so someone is buying the rap music besides teenagers....

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 4:38:27 PM   
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If you look at the RIAA's website, teenagers don't really account for the vast majority of sales, so someone is buying the rap music besides teenagers....


I would tend to think that those statistics are skewed a bit due to the Explicit Lyrics policies that most of these places now have and that you have to have an adult with you to purchase the CD. Now, mostly the adult will just buy it for the teen. Besides 79.37% of all statistics are made up.

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 5:57:28 PM   
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Besides 79.37% of all statistics are made up.


As far as rap music, my personal take is that they just can't spell...they forgot the "C" at the beginning. That being said, it is the genre, the spoken word over the repetative beat i dislike. many of the lyrics (particularly kanye west) would make good songs if performed in a different style IMO.
As to the lyrics and videos corrupting todays youth....come on, hell I listened to all the "evil" bands in the 60s & 70s and I didn't turn out to be some bearded long-haired freak who gets his kicks tieing up & spanking women...um, wait...let me rephrase that....
Truthfully I think you aren't giving the young folks enough credit...rap music has been around for a while now, and a lot of the younger members on CM grew up with it as their music...and they don't seem to be really any worse than the rest of us who grew up listening to more "morally uplifting" music (can anybody say frank Zappa..."be a crew slut"). My Pet is younger and she likes rap & hip-hop, and she has her head on pretty tight, and my female unmentionable (jr high) likes the music as well, however she finds the "gangsta" wannabes laughable.
Its really not all that different...they are mostly middle-class white kids pretending to be downtrodden angry young blacks...and our generation were mostly middle class white kids pretending to be poor exploited victims of "the Man", and before that you had the middle class white kids being "rebels without a cause".
Lets face it...its boring as hell being a middle class white kid, no drama in the burbs, no danger or excitement, so they invent their own, much as we did. I doubt many of them are really very affected by videos and lyrics, any more than we were....I mean we survived listening to Black Sabbath and Alice Cooper, and before rap, there was Marilyn Manson, and society somehow managed to survive that, and it will survive Eminem (whose lyrics are actually quite poignant between the cussing).
I will close by saying it strikes me as somewhat ironic to read a thread decrying the way rap music videos objectify women on a BDSM site where there are earnest discussions about collaring, and flogging, and whatnot.


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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 7:06:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course I don't support the degradation of women, but you folks are acting like rap artists invented that.
I don't like gangsta rap, but as LA pointed out, no one is being dragged against their will to participate, and millions of people are buying the music, so maybe talk to your neighbors, because I've got to tell you it's the kids/parents with the money white supporting all of that.

I don't mind some Rap if I'm in a nightclub, and I used to support the industry when it was more about social commentary in the 80s with KRS1, Whodini, RUN DMC, etc.
Is it Music? I accept it as music, and I don't think the millionaire rappers care whether you (a non consumer) don't think it is. M

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/2/2006 11:36:50 PM   
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Is it Music? I accept it as music, and I don't think the millionaire rappers care whether you (a non consumer) don't think it is. M


No, I would guess they don't and I honestly don't give a damn. My point in this discussion is basically say that what I have heard of this genre of "music" has been violent and vulgar.

My oldest son listens to Death Metal and I object to that as well. It isn't because I see demons behind the lyrics or that I think that kids will go shoot up a playground because of rap or metal music. My problem with it is the hatred and anger behind it. I have heard some very anti-white sentiments coming from rap lyrics and I have a problem with an art form that continues to harp on racism.

Maybe I am just a cynical old fuck, but I just don't understand what I have been exposed to. There is too much good music with thoughtful lyrics out there. Rap isn't for me... and I am glad someone is buying the albums because if the rap stars would have to depend on me for money, they would starve.

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RE: hip hop, rap & nice bitches - 2/3/2006 6:09:06 AM   
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My problem with it is the hatred and anger behind it. I have heard some very anti-white sentiments coming from rap lyrics and I have a problem with an art form that continues to harp on racism.
This just made me laugh. We should get a message to the rappers for whom no one would give a flying phuck (if they weren't making money selling what we love/hate (clearly not you and I, but I think you know what I mean), that they should start writing lyrics like Yeats and Gibran and for heaven's sakes, include some roses or exotic flowers in there instead of all the phucks, LMAO.

People sing what they know, they feel the way they feel, and they write about their real experiences. While this may mean nothing to you or even to me sometimes, it is just as real as your music. And just because it doesn't have gregorian chant of the 1100s as part of it's history, doesn't make it any less valid (to me). I bet that if continuing to write about social commentary, and fun songs continued to sell, gangsta rap (which while ugly, is still true) wouldn't be the genre at the top now.
I don't like gangsta rap, and I agree it is too negative, but I don't like the attitude of "since it's not something I can apreciate, it's not music." M

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