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FullCircle -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/4/2009 5:37:43 PM)
JFK was shot by someone home grown, time to fear the US or imply it was the government that did it, without any real evidence?

CruelNUnsual -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/4/2009 5:48:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle JFK was shot by someone home grown, time to fear the US or imply it was the government that did it, without any real evidence? ROFL

TheHeretic -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/4/2009 5:50:45 PM)
Full, why would you assume the gov't is the only entity capable of making an opponent disappear? You think the Taliban won't murder the opposition?

Owner59 -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/4/2009 6:07:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle Well the benefit of when something is done out in the open is that you can criticise it. What a crock of poppycock, Full. There have been a number of far more brutal atrocities that came into the open in the last five-ish years without catching a bit of front page attention in the US media. Now that a Democrat is back in the White House, the left, who should have cared all along, are willing to acknowledge it. That is my opinion, anyway. If others have a better theory on why it has been shrugged at, please let me know. That a dem is in the WH has nothing to do with how media works or what stories get legs. How people pick up or ignore an item is how media works and how people work.There`s no rhyme or reason to it. There`s no controlling entity or media conspiwasy,cept in the minds of the paranoid. Now to Harry. You`ve fained concern for the victims of oppressive Sharia laws or tribal customs in the past.Of course most of the verbiage wasn`t about the vics and their situation but rather about bush`s critics and their imagined hypocrisy. You never did respond to my points about bush helping to establish Sharia law over millions and millions of innocent folks in Iraq.I don`t expect you to addressed that outrage here either. So now that your guy is out and a new guy is in,what is it we should do,....exactly? What exactly should be the new US policy to combat the oppressive, extreme elements of other countries/cultures? Enlighten us.

popeye1250 -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/4/2009 6:11:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 If Hillary and President Obama think they can reason with those people they might as well try playing poker with a rattlesnake; they're going to get bit. They should know better, they're supposed to be educated people. More likely another "foreign aid" scam will be foisted upon them and the U.S. Taxpayer will get ripped off (again). East is East and West is West. If you go east far enough you'll find yourself right back in the west. This way we divide up the world linking politics and geography is very antiquated. Like I said to the other poster the other month, most likely some members of the Taliban are people with no other options to explore. Talking to these people to undermine the movement from within is something worth trying and it wouldn't be the first attempt at divide and conquer. If we treat people as their stereotypes rather than as individuals we'll always assume they are all as extreme as one another which is probably not the reality. Awwww, the poor taliban. What do you think Full, trade school scholorships for the people who like to crash airplanes into buildings paid for by the U.S. Taxpayers?

TheHeretic -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/4/2009 11:18:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 That a dem is in the WH has nothing to do with how media works or what stories get legs. LOL! Is that from the same source where you learned that Vietnam wasn't an issue in the '72 election, O59?

FullCircle -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 5:31:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Awwww, the poor taliban. What do you think Full, trade school scholorships for the people who like to crash airplanes into buildings paid for by the U.S. Taxpayers? When was the last time a member of the Taliban was proven to have crashed a plane into a building?

FullCircle -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 5:41:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Full, why would you assume the gov't is the only entity capable of making an opponent disappear? You think the Taliban won't murder the opposition? They aren’t obviously but the same stands in any country that a group could make you disappear that isn't the government. The implication made by CruelNUnusual was that large numbers of protestors were being disappeared which is a bit beyond the resources of the Taliban. I've seen no reports of large numbers of people vanishing so I'm guessing it's an attempt to tarnish a whole region with the label of ecclesiarchy.

DomKen -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 8:05:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Don't be ridiculous, Ken. Of course there have been voices in the wilderness on this, and I'm not suggesting otherwise, but they have fizzled out, time and again. I've raised the subject in these forums more couple times, so if you really want to go hunting through the archives, do feel free. Maybe go find the thread about the Iraqi village massacre by Al-Qaeda, or something on videotaped beheadings. Being concerned about these things might have been interpreted as supporting the Bush Administration, and we couldn't have that now could we? See this is what I meant. You have no statistics or other data just your gut feeling and you dismiss proof positive that your hypothesis is incorrect. You believe leftists are hypocrites on these issues, despite Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International. Doctors without Borders and numerous other organizations assailed as "liberals" whose only mission is dealing with these events and who all stayed in operation the last 8 years, and you're dismissing any evidence that contradicts your belief.

TheHeretic -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 8:55:07 AM)
For one thing, Ken, we are still in the transitional period. Not enough time has passed to be able to gather the statistics you are insisting on. As I often point out on global warming threads, it is not appropriate to draw big conclusions based one a data set of 'one.' Someone might, as time goes by. It sort of depends on how bold that someone is. Bernard Goldberg, formerly of CBS, explored something similar with how the homeless were covered during the Reagan/Bush I years vs. coverage during the Clinton administration. I see what I see, Ken. I wish I had seen a big interest in the subject. I wonder if the story linked in the OP is the first good bubble in a pot I think should have been at a boil for some time. You don't like the premise of how I phrased the question? Ok. Do you think we will see an expanded activist interest in radical Islamic women's/human rights conditions in the coming few years?

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 9:06:12 AM)
quote: When was the last time a member of the Taliban was proven to have crashed a plane into a building? If I knowingly allow a psychopath to plan murders in my home, then I join him in a standoff with the police as they surround my house.....I am just as guilty as the psychopath, wouldn't you say?

FullCircle -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 9:13:46 AM)
I’d say it depends if your family is being threatened with violence by the man in your house planning the attack. You may be complicit in the act through fear. It’s like mob culture; loads of people are on the fringes of it and hate it but they don’t expose the truth through fear of repercussions, so it flourishes.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 9:46:21 AM)
quote: I’d say it depends if your family is being threatened with violence by the man in your house planning the attack. You may be complicit in the act through fear. It’s like mob culture; loads of people are on the fringes of it and hate it but they don’t expose the truth through fear of repercussions, so it flourishes. So you think the Taliban was scared of Al Quaida? Well that's an interesting theory; it's a bogus one, but it's interesting. It was my understanding that Osama Bin Laden earned his protection with his money and by knocking off Massoud. So I reckon I should change my analogy around a tad. My fictional psychopath does me a favor by wacking a annoying co-worker of mine, and thus earns my protection. The police surround my home and order me to send him out; I yell out the window, "Let me see all your evidence first!" I then barricade the doors and join my psychopathic pal in shooting it out with the coppers.....would you say that makes me just as guilty as him now?

FullCircle -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 9:59:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou So you think the Taliban was scared of Al Quaida? Well that's an interesting theory; it's a bogus one, but it's interesting. It was my understanding that Osama Bin Laden earned his protection with his money and by knocking off Massoud. So I reckon I should change my analogy around a tad. He aligned his aims with Osama and we can say he was complicit in the attacks. However we can't say that every member of the Taliban is a member of the Taliban out of spiritual necessity, some are members through fear this is my point. A group of men come to your house, their threatening tone is not overt but the fear is there as they greet your wife and children. No one is around to help and shooting them dead will just bring more so what are your realistic options in that situation other than just going along with it? There are members of the Taliban that are there for all kinds of reasons and to think there is only one reason they are there is the mistake we keep making and thus opportunities we keep missing. quote: My fictional psychopath does me a favor by wacking a annoying co-worker of mine, and thus earns my protection. The police surround my home and order me to send him out; I yell out the window, "Let me see all your evidence first!" I then barricade the doors and join my psychopathic pal in shooting it out with the coppers.....would you say that makes me just as guilty as him now? That analogy might be 100% unrelated to the actual events that took place, we'd know for sure if we were closer to these events but we are thousands of miles away being fed information from sources we must chose wisely. Do you have a better soloution that has not been tried in the last eight years?

popeye1250 -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 10:44:59 AM)
Sorry but I just don't want to buy the world a coke on my dime. And I don't want to be "friends" with any terrorists of any stripe much less give them one red cent or do anything to help them.

FangsNfeet -> RE: Is it time to care? (4/5/2009 9:08:47 PM)
It's always time to care. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FxfIv7MPYo&feature=related

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